GSP all the way…
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Khaine wrote:
Can Shields fight off his back at all? I can only ever remember seeing him on top. His guillotine finishes are all from the mount, as far as I can recall.
I see GSP either jabbing all fuck out of that vertical chin of Shields or taking him down and keeping him there. Either way, Shields isn’t going to be allowed to play to his strengths. GSP by jabathon stoppage or decision.[/quote]
So you’re looking for a strategy similar to what he did with Kos.[/quote]
Yeah, it makes sense to me to punish Shields for the obvious weakness his stand-up is, as it’s much weaker than Kos’. The jab is just the safest way to do this, which should appeal to the gameplanners in GSPs camp. I could also see leg kicks as a useful option to score points and take the sauce out of his shots, but I’m not sure it’s worth the risk of getting taken down into the only real advantage Shields has. Maybe set them up with some combinations to get Shields backpedaling first.
[quote]Khaine wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Khaine wrote:
Can Shields fight off his back at all? I can only ever remember seeing him on top. His guillotine finishes are all from the mount, as far as I can recall.
I see GSP either jabbing all fuck out of that vertical chin of Shields or taking him down and keeping him there. Either way, Shields isn’t going to be allowed to play to his strengths. GSP by jabathon stoppage or decision.[/quote]
So you’re looking for a strategy similar to what he did with Kos.[/quote]
Yeah, it makes sense to me to punish Shields for the obvious weakness his stand-up is, as it’s much weaker than Kos’. The jab is just the safest way to do this, which should appeal to the gameplanners in GSPs camp. I could also see leg kicks as a useful option to score points and take the sauce out of his shots, but I’m not sure it’s worth the risk of getting taken down into the only real advantage Shields has. Maybe set them up with some combinations to get Shields backpedaling first.[/quote]
That seems like the most reasonable strategy to take against someone with Shields skills. I guess the only question is will it work. The Shields camp has I’m sure, studied the Kos fight and do not want to fall victim to this strategy. What would their counter me? What else can Shields bring to this fight that could stop GSP?
Has anyone been following Shields training? Is he focusing on boxing, or Muay Thai?
In another thread there was footage of Shields training Muay Thai, he needs more practice. I think Shields is going to have to shoot from too far away because of his lackluster stand up. In turn that will allow GSP to out wrestle him, and keep it standing. I don’t like Koscheck, but he has a great chin, survived Alves and the Jab a Thon of GSP. I don’t think Shields will last.
I choose not to watch. I will check online later in the night to learn GSP layed on him or Shields dry humped him for 5 rounds. After the Hendo fight I will never watch Shields again ever. GSP used to be exciting but now he also doesnt wanna finish. So in this fight nobody wins.
[quote]punchedbear wrote:
GSP used to be exciting but now he also doesnt wanna finish.[/quote]
The point of any fight is to win. GSP has a very good team that helps him craft a strategy to win. If he “finishes” someone in the course of executing said strategy then so much the better. But if the fight goes the distance and he wins a decision he has done his job. Keep in mind that there is far more to mma than “finishing” a fight.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]punchedbear wrote:
GSP used to be exciting but now he also doesnt wanna finish.[/quote]
The point of any fight is to win. GSP has a very good team that helps him craft a strategy to win. If he “finishes” someone in the course of executing said strategy then so much the better. But if the fight goes the distance and he wins a decision he has done his job. Keep in mind that there is far more to mma than “finishing” a fight. [/quote]
I never knew the point was to win the fight. Thanks for clearing that up. 
I wont cheer for guys that dont try to finish. I wanna be entertained when I watch Combat Sports. Not watch amateur wrestling. I could watch that if I wanted to I get college channels. I wanna see submissions and knockouts from MMA. These wrestlers need to start doing that if I am gonna watch them. Watching 5 rounds of Shields dry humping a guy so much his shorts should be checked for cum stains isnt fun.
[quote]punchedbear wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]punchedbear wrote:
GSP used to be exciting but now he also doesnt wanna finish.[/quote]
The point of any fight is to win. GSP has a very good team that helps him craft a strategy to win. If he “finishes” someone in the course of executing said strategy then so much the better. But if the fight goes the distance and he wins a decision he has done his job. Keep in mind that there is far more to mma than “finishing” a fight. [/quote]
I never knew the point was to win the fight. Thanks for clearing that up.
I wont cheer for guys that dont try to finish. I wanna be entertained when I watch Combat Sports. Not watch amateur wrestling. I could watch that if I wanted to I get college channels. I wanna see submissions and knockouts from MMA. These wrestlers need to start doing that if I am gonna watch them. Watching 5 rounds of Shields dry humping a guy so much his shorts should be checked for cum stains isnt fun.[/quote]
Then blame the rules, not the guys that are trying to win. If they assigned more points for aggression and hits with power, and less points for “control,” you’d see a much more aggressive fight.
I fight to finish, but if a guy is going to walk into my jab all night or can’t break my mount I see no reason to endanger myself and my sure win to add a KO to my record.
I predict the judges will fall asleep and the fight will be declared a draw thus paving the way for the rematch.
i don’t see Shields pulling this off…even though he’s known as a boring fighter, most of his fights are finishes. 7 out of his last 10, in fact…
GSP tried to finish Kos last time, but after breaking his face, Kos jumped back like a scared little girl every time he moved. and GSP could have easily busted Hardy’s arm twice…he just chose not to ruin a fellow athlete’s career.
i think this might be a really good fight for fight fans. i think Shileds and GSP are going to be very strategic in their attacks, but i see GSP using his strenght and athleticism to set up his attack. i’m going with GSP with the TKO…
I dunno man, hard to bet against GSP after he’s proven time in and time out to come up with solid gameplans. Shields is a grinder, but GSP has made a career of eating up wrestlers with lackluster striking. Im thinking GSP just stands with him - not in the same manner as with Koscheck, but opening up his arsenal. I know shields has been working hard, but some guys can’t wrestle no matter how long they train it, and some guys just flat out can’t strike.
I see this being another 5 round UD for GSP. GSP even said in an interview last night he knows what Shields has to do to win this fight and GSP is going to keep the fight where he wants it, standing. Shields’ only hope of winning this fight is somehow getting GSP down and holding him down or submitting him. Neither are very likely to happen. The other problem for Shields is if his cardio is as bad as it was in the Kampmann fight. That was only a 3 round fight, too. Shields could fade in the championship rounds and if that happens, GSP might actually finish him. That’s my .02.
[quote]Dre Cappa wrote:
The other problem for Shields is if his cardio is as bad as it was in the Kampmann fight. That was only a 3 round fight, too. Shields could fade in the championship rounds and if that happens, GSP might actually finish him. That’s my .02.[/quote]
While we’re on that subject, WTF is up with alleged professional fighters who don’t have the gas to go a whole fight (and not a particularly fast-paced one) at 170 lbs? I can almost understand it when you get into LHW and HW, or if you’re a spastic chimp on crack (looking at you Mike Swick), but if you’re a low-tempo 170 lb fighter there is no reason you should be gassing out in a 3 round fight. You’re supposed to be a professional, maybe if you trained like one you wouldn’t get knocked out halfway into the second round because you were too tired to keep your freaking hands up and your chin tucked.
GSP to win by rapage!
lol
NO seriously, I predict GSP will take up phil nurses advise on this one and chop the hell out of his legs. GSP by Muay thai leg kicking stoppage.
[quote]humble wrote:
GSP to win by rapage!
lol
NO seriously, I predict GSP will take up phil nurses advise on this one and chop the hell out of his legs. GSP by Muay thai leg kicking stoppage.
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Don’t think that is going to happen. In fact I don’t think you’ll see GSP throw many (if any) kicks in this fight. He knows that Shield’s only chance of beating him involves getting taken down and held there/submitted. To make sure that doesn’t happen, I suspect you’ll see him choose to keep both feet on the ground and use his hands to do the damage.
BTW, I’m also gonna pick GSP.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]humble wrote:
GSP to win by rapage!
lol
NO seriously, I predict GSP will take up phil nurses advise on this one and chop the hell out of his legs. GSP by Muay thai leg kicking stoppage.
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Don’t think that is going to happen. In fact I don’t think you’ll see GSP throw many (if any) kicks in this fight. He knows that Shield’s only chance of beating him involves getting taken down and held there/submitted. To make sure that doesn’t happen, I suspect you’ll see him choose to keep both feet on the ground and use his hands to do the damage.
BTW, I’m also gonna pick GSP.[/quote]
Perhaps, but done right, even wrestlers can’t take down effective kickers of which shields is not the better wrestler of the two nor the better grappler. I see GSP doing something different. Who knows though, just speculation… or perhaps what I’d LIKE to see lol
[quote]humble wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]humble wrote:
GSP to win by rapage!
lol
NO seriously, I predict GSP will take up phil nurses advise on this one and chop the hell out of his legs. GSP by Muay thai leg kicking stoppage.
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Don’t think that is going to happen. In fact I don’t think you’ll see GSP throw many (if any) kicks in this fight. He knows that Shield’s only chance of beating him involves getting taken down and held there/submitted. To make sure that doesn’t happen, I suspect you’ll see him choose to keep both feet on the ground and use his hands to do the damage.
BTW, I’m also gonna pick GSP.[/quote]
Perhaps, but done right, even wrestlers can’t take down effective kickers of which shields is not the better wrestler of the two nor the better grappler. I see GSP doing something different. Who knows though, just speculation… or perhaps what I’d LIKE to see lol
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I think you’re making sense. His game plan should be to stay away from the ground where Shields is strongest. Whether he uses his jab as he did vs kos, or he brings in some low kicks no one knows till fight night. One thing for sure, if he finds himself on the ground in the bottom position everytime that Shields shoots GSP is in for a loooooooong night.
[quote]humble wrote:
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]humble wrote:
GSP to win by rapage!
lol
NO seriously, I predict GSP will take up phil nurses advise on this one and chop the hell out of his legs. GSP by Muay thai leg kicking stoppage.
[/quote]
Don’t think that is going to happen. In fact I don’t think you’ll see GSP throw many (if any) kicks in this fight. He knows that Shield’s only chance of beating him involves getting taken down and held there/submitted. To make sure that doesn’t happen, I suspect you’ll see him choose to keep both feet on the ground and use his hands to do the damage.
BTW, I’m also gonna pick GSP.[/quote]
Perhaps, but done right, even wrestlers can’t take down effective kickers of which shields is not the better wrestler of the two nor the better grappler. I see GSP doing something different. Who knows though, just speculation… or perhaps what I’d LIKE to see lol
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Man, I don’t know about that. GSP might be the better wrestler, but Shields is the better grappler IMO. It’s also really the only arsenal/area where I think he has a legitimate chance of winning. On the feet he’ll get murdered, and I think he’s well aware of that (especially after watching what GSP just did to Kos).
As far as the kicks go, yeah if the timing, distancing, accuracy, and technique are perfect then even a wrestler is going to have a hard time taking down a kicker. But any time you place yourself on one foot (which you must do in order to kick) you limit your mobility considerably. Assuming that Shields is going to employ the strategy that I think we all suspect he will; I don’t think that GSP wants to limit his mobility like that.
It would be cool to see no doubt. But I think like you said, it’s likely more of a preference of what you would want to see (which is understandable being a MT guy). I of course could be totally wrong though and your prediction could be right. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Shields will pull guard if need be. GSP would be wise to strike at distance and win on points.
Can’t believe all this talk and no-one has posted this video yet
I’d say the call that GSP is going to keep both feet on the ground and do damage with his hands is a good one.
Also just me or is GSP really fucking big now.