Growing Up in a Religious Family

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[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]Dre the Hatchet wrote:
Church 5 times a week? I’d like to know the church that has sermons almost every day of the week… Church of Troll maybe?

Secondly, who on earth would talk to their parents about watching porn? This and having sex are things that they know you do but for fuck’s sake you don’t talk about it.[/quote]

My dad would search the computer to see what i was looking at. Even when I deleted the history, he would always go that extra step.[/quote]

my dad used to do that too… and we aren’t even religious. I think it’s about being overly controlling.

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Morals arise because humans are social animals and human society is inevitable. We are all better off working together as a group than we are alone in the wild. For this group to prosper, there must be certain rules. Even if altruism didnt exist and we all acted in our own best interests 100% of the time, it is still in our best interests to be moral in order to preserve society.

The morals create themselves, no religion needed.

I’m all for charity and humanity and all that, but ffs, lets cut the bullshit already. It amazes me how many people believe there is a fairy man in the sky that watches their every move and will send them to a fiery fairy land if they dont follow a book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of guys who thought the earth was flat.

We live in the 21st century. We are cloning animals and growing organs and sending rocket ships into space. We know there are billions of galaxies and we are tiny tiny specs in grand scheme of things. Its just laughable to believe that we are somehow special in all of this.

And the guy who said being religious is in our nature - that is not true. It’s in our nature to want explanations for the world around us. Before science explained it, lightning and rain and tornados were scary as shit. Primitive humans ascribed natural phenomena to human-like deities because it made them feel better. We know better now and its about time to get real.

Organized religion has done good things, but its also caused more war, hatred, death, oppression and little boy touching than any other motivator in human history.

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[quote]cct wrote:

my dad used to do that too… and we aren’t even religious. I think it’s about being overly controlling.[/quote]

My Dad did that too. I don’t think negatively about it at all.

He was only trying to protect me from the sick filth that I was viewing online.

Come on. A 10 year old needs to watch hardcore anal-oral sex? lol

You wouldn’t want to stop your child from viewing that?

Meh, that’s some fucked up shit for a kid to look at.

I was too curious for my own good and was smart enough to realize how great of a tool Google is… hah. I’m glad my Dad did what he did, now that I look back on it with a more mature mind.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Places of hospitality out date Christianity. Actual hospitals as we know it were started by Roman CC. Sorry.[/quote]

No need to be sorry, but you are wrong.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[Thomas Aquinas explained this, he called it Natural Law. Natural Law is the morals that are ‘written on our hearts’ by God. And, if you look at every religious group, unless they are considered ‘dark,’ have the same morals. Because it is the natural thing to do.
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Aquinas apparently “rediscovered” something Jewish people knew all along — the Noahdic laws, given to all peoples common ancestors and written on our hearts, as recounted in Genesis.

Theologians needs to get back to basics, or at least stop renaming things.

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:
So…it does start on Friday night, at sunset, and goes until Saturday sunset. Most people don’t know that part of it, they just know that the Jews’ holy day is Saturday while the Christians’ is Sunday. The Christians’ used to be on Saturday too but in order to get more “pagans” to convert they changed it to coincide with Apollo and his worship day, which was SUNday…
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It just depends on where you set your cut-off of days.

Pagan Romans used midnight to change days. Jews used Sunset.

The Sunrise, Sunset method of counting was how G-d counted the days in the first Chapter of the Bible.

Given that we live in His creation and He is the Boss, I defer to His method in religious matters.

Computer syncs, trains, and planes — I understand why one would not want a cut off that depends on the day of the year.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Yeah you are right, without ancient greeks establishing schools, no one could have the option to establish schools for the masses.[/quote]

I suppose. Jewish people have a mitzvah (a commandment) that they personally write a book of the Torah during their life.

This required every Jewish person to be able to read and write, so we’ve had wide-spread schools of some sort since 1500BCE. I don’t know how that stacks up to the Greeks, but I bet it’s darn close.

Certainly predates the Roman Church.

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@overstand: Something cannot create itself, so morals cannot create themselves. Never said religion was needed for morals, Natural Law explains it quite clear.

The rest of your argument I won’t touch because it is illogical. Why don’t you address the issue without ad hominems and maybe someone will answer you.

Actually it is true that religion is in our nature. You think someone forced us to join a religion back in the day? That religions popped up because we were scared? That is just insulting.

@Testy1: Okay, let me explain in which I mean by hospitals and schools. So far I have been shown one example of a hospital. Your first link, to a hospital that has not date of being built. However, someone in 1975 said it was one of the oldest hospitals. The other one was about 300 years after the first Catholic hospitals in 100 AD.

When I say hospitals, I do not mean doctors office. I mean hospitals, and not hospitals just for Jews (much love), Greeks, Buddists, or whoever had these things (and if you read I said “first one’s.” But, would go out and build hospitals and schools for others as well.

I am sure there were other folks that had places of hospitality or hospitals or class rooms before the Catholic Church started building them. No one has done it as big as them, though.

@Jewbacca: I don’t know if you read Aquinas work, but I don’t think he said he discovered it or rediscovered, but explained it in further detail. The renaming thing was likely because of Aristotle.

Wouldn’t you say that teaching them would be a more one on one situation? I wasn’t really talking about teachers, there were teachers way before the CC. I was talking about mass schools, for everyone including the poor.

Correct me if I am wrong.

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[quote]overstand wrote:
a book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of guys who thought the earth was flat.
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Actually, there are references in the Bible inferring they knew the earth was a sphere.

This is a major theme throughout the Bible, how amazing it is that God takes interest in us humans, considering how little and insignificant we are. Try reading Job, or the OT in general. You seem overtly critical of a book you don’t seem to be familiar with.

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I just watched Jesus Camp, so I consider myself a bit of an expert on this kind of stuff…

Cray-cray people are cray-cray.

But seriously, it is kind of scary how crazy some people get about things.

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Actually it is true that religion is in our nature. You think someone forced us to join a religion back in the day? That religions popped up because we were scared? That is just insulting.

No, it is not in our nature. Yes, it came about to keep the masses in line, to perpetuate the species and to scare man into behaving (hell and damnation, anyone?). I disagree with most organized religions’ interpretations of how things are supposed to be. If I have to pick an organization, I do like Judaism. I have been in many houses of worship. My favorite is when each proclaims “OUR version of how to worship and interpret the Bible is the RIGHT version.” For example, when I married in the Catholic Church, my brother, the Baptist, told me he felt sorry for me because I was going to hell for choosing the wrong “brand.” Oy vey…

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[quote]attydeb2005 wrote:
Actually it is true that religion is in our nature. You think someone forced us to join a religion back in the day? That religions popped up because we were scared? That is just insulting.

No, it is not in our nature. Yes, it came about to keep the masses in line, to perpetuate the species and to scare man into behaving (hell and damnation, anyone?). [/quote]

Who was it that did this? Because most leaders when religion came about feared it, not welcomed it.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
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I get out of bed at 5 in the morning. Does that answer your question? By the way, going to Church is not about what I want.

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Yeah, I’m pretty sure Jesus gave the thumbs down on execution of women when he saved the prostitute from being stoned by the Pharisees. I can quote the Bible better.

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@Clip: I didn’t grow up in a religious family, well at least not in a religious household. I wish I did, I wish there would have been more structure and been raised from the get go to be virtuous.

I wish I didn’t do all the hellicious things I did to people and myself. I wish I would have gone to Catholic Prep instead of horrible public school. I wish I was stronger in connection with the people at my church.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

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I get out of bed at 5 in the morning. Does that answer your question? By the way, going to Church is not about what I want.[/quote]

Yeah, its more about what was pounded into your head since birth and your inability to think for yourself.

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[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
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I get out of bed at 5 in the morning. Does that answer your question? By the way, going to Church is not about what I want.[/quote]

Yeah, its more about what was pounded into your head since birth and your inability to think for yourself.[/quote]

Ehhh, didn’t know taking the time to pray with my brothers and sisters in Christ was “not thinking” for myself.

I actually rarely go to Church for what it’s worth, because I don’t feel as though I need Church to have a relationship with God, but because you do go to Church does not mean you don’t think for yourself.

Atheists are always on the defensive, makes you sound pretty pathetic when you insult someone that is doing something they enjoy, take pride in and that does no harm to anyone else.