Green Lantern Relaunched as Gay

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]caveman101 wrote:
did this character come off as ‘gay’ previously? I must say I’d find it irritating, if I was a fan, that a character was re-written on such a deep level [/quote]

I don’t think so but intially this was my first reaction as well because I like the Green Lantern. They are leaving Kyle Rainer and Hal Jordan’s legacys intact…but They are making Alan Scott wear the rainbow ring…lol[/quote]

Like I said earlier he was married twice had two kids one said kid is gay[/quote]

Alan Scott with his twin children Jade and Obsidian, he was married to the original rose/thorn and they fucked in a bubble created from his power ring(this is the reason they say his twins had powers). Obsidian came out in the late 90’s when he was a member of the Justice League and honestly it made sense since he was never shown with much back story as far as relationships go.

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Yeah and apparently the new Batwoman is gay as well…I mean I totally see what they are trying to do. I think with so many kids being bullied, Marvel & DC wanted to have characters that respresent strength that gay kids can look up to just as most children look up to Superman, Batman, Wolverine…so they take one of the most reconizable superheros and make an alternate universe where he is gay. I see why for many reasons why DC & Marvel chose to go this route…I just don’t think subject matter wise, it’s appropriate for kids.

And I disagree, I think the market of comic books is largely aimed at kids…most people think it’s aimed at adults because they grew up on comic books themselves and continue to enjoy them. They see other people in the comic store…grown adults buying for themselves…but they started as kids as well.[/quote]

FN, I see kids being exposed to gay/homosexual suject matter in the media and everyday life, than comic books.

I’d say that the vast majority of children would be pretty indifferent to a gay superhero. That’s my opinion, anyway.

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]caveman101 wrote:
did this character come off as ‘gay’ previously? I must say I’d find it irritating, if I was a fan, that a character was re-written on such a deep level [/quote]

I don’t think so but intially this was my first reaction as well because I like the Green Lantern. They are leaving Kyle Rainer and Hal Jordan’s legacys intact…but They are making Alan Scott wear the rainbow ring…lol[/quote]

I think it’s funny DC made a big deal about the new Blue Beetle being Mexican but they forgot Kyle is also Hispanic

I think it’s interesting that this is a DC character. There have already been several homosexual superheroes in Marvel, and it seems like DC has always been a bit more socially conservative. But hey, it’s 2012 and people are more tolerant. Good writing will decide if the character becomes genuine and worthwhile or a complete joke.

On a side note, this reminded me that in Grant Morrison’s book “Supergods” he says that Liberace would have considered Alan Scott’s original costume to be over the top, with the dracula collar and clashing colors. He may not have been gay back in the day, but he was definitely glamorous.

Interesting.

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:
(Ultimate) Colossus = Gay
Northstar = Gay
Dakken (Wolverine’s cloned “son”) = Bisexual
Shatterstar and Rictor (X-Force) = Gay

Just some of Marvel’s gay super heros…
[/quote]

The Question = gay
Batwoman = gay
Maggie Sawyer = gay(and the first to be portrayed in an animated cartoon series)

Some of DC’s lesbian characters[/quote]

Reding comic books as an adult = gay

Just a fact of life

Trolololololol

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
Yeah and apparently the new Batwoman is gay as well…I mean I totally see what they are trying to do. I think with so many kids being bullied, Marvel & DC wanted to have characters that respresent strength that gay kids can look up to just as most children look up to Superman, Batman, Wolverine…so they take one of the most reconizable superheros and make an alternate universe where he is gay. I see why for many reasons why DC & Marvel chose to go this route…I just don’t think subject matter wise, it’s appropriate for kids.

And I disagree, I think the market of comic books is largely aimed at kids…most people think it’s aimed at adults because they grew up on comic books themselves and continue to enjoy them. They see other people in the comic store…grown adults buying for themselves…but they started as kids as well.[/quote]

FN, I see kids being exposed to gay/homosexual suject matter in the media and everyday life, than comic books.

I’d say that the vast majority of children would be pretty indifferent to a gay superhero. That’s my opinion, anyway.[/quote]

Yeah I see what you’re saying.

Mia Dearden (Speedy) has HIV for Christ’s sake. IGAF if some characters caught teh ghey. It’s not a big deal.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:
(Ultimate) Colossus = Gay
Northstar = Gay
Dakken (Wolverine’s cloned “son”) = Bisexual
Shatterstar and Rictor (X-Force) = Gay

Just some of Marvel’s gay super heros…
[/quote]

The Question = gay
Batwoman = gay
Maggie Sawyer = gay(and the first to be portrayed in an animated cartoon series)

Some of DC’s lesbian characters[/quote]

Reding comic books as an adult = gay

Just a fact of life

Trolololololol[/quote]

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:
(Ultimate) Colossus = Gay
Northstar = Gay
Dakken (Wolverine’s cloned “son”) = Bisexual
Shatterstar and Rictor (X-Force) = Gay

Just some of Marvel’s gay super heros…
[/quote]

The Question = gay
Batwoman = gay
Maggie Sawyer = gay(and the first to be portrayed in an animated cartoon series)

Some of DC’s lesbian characters[/quote]

Reding comic books as an adult = gay

Just a fact of life

Trolololololol[/quote]

LMAO!

I don’t get this whole thing. Why would DC or marvel for that matter take an already well known character and turn them gay? Why not just introduce a new character that is gay?

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
That’s an unabashedly homophobic statement. [/quote]

LOL at “homophobia.” No one is “afraid” of queers.

Having gay sex is extremely unhealthy (far worse, tham, say smoking) and gays overwhelmingly report that they are unhappy and unsatisfied with life.

It’s not normal behavior and has not been tolerated in almost any society, in the world, for thousands of years.

So, yes, we should not teach children that deviant behavior is normal or OK. It’s not.

Now, will I discriminate against you? Nope.

Everyone has their cross, and yours is a desire to have hairy men pound your ass raw in rest stops along the highway.

That’s your business.

But will I teach my (future) children that it’s OK to get pounded in the ass at rest stops? No. I will teach them that engaging in gay sex is an almost certain path to a miserable life.[/quote]

You’re making a strawman argument (if you don’t know what that is, look it up). You put a whole bunch of words in my mouth, because you don’t have any real argument with what I said. First off, you assumed I was gay (I’m married to a woman FYI). Then you went into arguments about getting pounded at rest stops? lol@that. What you’re talking about there has nothing to do with straightness or gayness. Truckers fuck prostitutes at rest stops. Does that mean they represent the whole or majority of straight people? of course not. You’re associating gayness with promiscuity. Straight people are just as promiscuous (a big reason most marriages end in divorce).

Now for the rest of your points. Show evidence that gay sex in a monogamous relationship is unhealthier than smoking. Your point, as I understand it, is really that promiscuity is dangerous. I won’t argue against that. Gay sex in and of itself is not.

Gays report being unhappy. You think this might have something to do with the way they’re treated by ignorant people? Just a thought.

It has not been tolerated by many societies in history? That’s just plain false. Crack open a book or two and read about Ancient Greece, the Renaissance period in Europe, the entire history of Asia, ancient Egypt, and ancient Rome, just to name some off the top of my head.
Just because you don’t know about homosexuality in world history doesn’t mean it’s not there.

If you can’t come up with a better argument than “I ain’t gon’ let none of my kin get butt fucked at dem gas stations, no sir”, then GTFO.[/quote]

This is just full of win.

Personally, I can only get turned on by lady folk, but I don’t see why people are so bothered about gayness, I couldn’t care less if someone was gay.

As for history… I remember reading an article about the most baddass warriors ever - The Spartans (but this applies to other ancient greeks also) - and apparently they formed homosexual relationships with the men they stood next to in battle. Can kind if see the use in it, I mean, if you love the person your standing next to in a battle your gonna be a lot braver and less willing to run and leave them than if you didn’t love them.

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[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

IDK. I don’t like it. Comic books should be safe for childeren…but then again…they are sexualized to point.

Still I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol

THOUGHTS?[/quote]

What exactly is unsafe for children?

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:
That’s an unabashedly homophobic statement. [/quote]

LOL at “homophobia.” No one is “afraid” of queers.

Having gay sex is extremely unhealthy (far worse, tham, say smoking) and gays overwhelmingly report that they are unhappy and unsatisfied with life.

It’s not normal behavior and has not been tolerated in almost any society, in the world, for thousands of years.

So, yes, we should not teach children that deviant behavior is normal or OK. It’s not.

Now, will I discriminate against you? Nope.

Everyone has their cross, and yours is a desire to have hairy men pound your ass raw in rest stops along the highway.

That’s your business.

But will I teach my (future) children that it’s OK to get pounded in the ass at rest stops? No. I will teach them that engaging in gay sex is an almost certain path to a miserable life.[/quote]
When did you become so homophobic?

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

Comic books should be safe for childeren… I wouldn’t want my child reading about Super gay green Lantern banging his super gay boyfriend…lol

THOUGHTS?[/quote]

My first thought is that it’s weird that you think a gay green lantern is ‘unsafe’ for children. That’s an unabashedly homophobic statement. wtf is unsafe? that a child might find out that people can be gay? that you as a parent might have to explain this to him?

And last time I checked, most mainstream comic books aren’t about the super hero ‘banging’ his girlfriend… so why would making the super hero gay make the comic book overly sexualized? This doesn’t make sense. You think DC’s planning on making Green Lantern into gay pornography?[/quote]

It has nothing to do with pornography or any type of stylized/sexualized man on man action.(I mean I believe there will be some, cause in most comics you’ll see Scott Summers awake from bed with Jean Gray beside him…etc.)

So no, I don’t think DC plans on going on a Hentai parade with the Green Lantern comic series, it’s just that personally I don’t think Homosexuality is right, so I don’t think it should be fed to little childeren. I don’t think it’s appropriate subject matter for small childeren. Just as I don’t think certain movies or sexaulized media is appropriate subject matter for small childeren either. Childeren are very impressionable, and the comic book market is still largely aimed at people 17 and under.

And as far as me being homophobic…well I went to the largest college for acting and most my professors and classmates were gay…also I currently work in San Francisco…lol[/quote]
So you’re okay with kids reading comics where people kill each other in many different ways, but you’re not okay with with them reading comics where one guy wakes up next to another guy.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Why not just write a new gay character, instead of changing a old one.

Or D.C. could have finally brought pedo bat out of the closet. Seriously batman always gave me the creeps a older man living(not to mention having the batcave as his own personal neverland ranch) and fighting crime(in a fetish suit and speedo no less) with a young unrelated boy.

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I don’t get this whole thing. Why would DC or marvel for that matter take an already well known character and turn them gay? Why not just introduce a new character that is gay?[/quote]

I think they may have done it with the idea that it will prepare young people for a time when someone they know will come out of the closet.

I think the whole thing is a little silly, as it seems to be done with the hope of changing a new generation to be more tolerant.

That is of course a great idea…I wholeheartedly believe that people should be more tolerant; I support gay marriage, but this sort of thing never does what the originators want.
Like having Superman say “Don’t do drugs!” Did that ever stop a kid once he grew up?

[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:

It has nothing to do with pornography or any type of stylized/sexualized man on man action.(I mean I believe there will be some, cause in most comics you’ll see Scott Summers awake from bed with Jean Gray beside him…etc.)

So no, I don’t think DC plans on going on a Hentai parade with the Green Lantern comic series, it’s just that personally I don’t think Homosexuality is right, so I don’t think it should be fed to little childeren. I don’t think it’s appropriate subject matter for small childeren. Just as I don’t think certain movies or sexaulized media is appropriate subject matter for small childeren either. Childeren are very impressionable, and the comic book market is still largely aimed at people 17 and under.

And as far as me being homophobic…well I went to the largest college for acting and most my professors and classmates were gay…also I currently work in San Francisco…lol.[/quote]

Nobody is forcing anybody to read these comics. If you do not like the content, then do not read it and do not let your kids read it. There are plenty forms of entertainment and reading material that do not involve homosexuality in any way, but to try and tell someone what content they can and cannot put in their own intellectual property is more then a little messed up. It is not the job of the DC writers to conform to and restrain themselves to anyone’s values, whether those values are yours, mine, or some random person, and it is not their job to raise other people’s kids. There are plenty of parents and people in this country that do not have a problem with homosexuality and would not mind if their kids read about a superhero who happens to be gay. It might even help some gay kids feel better about themselves if they had a strong role model they can relate to. I consider that a good thing, considering the problems gay people have with depression, suicide, and general bullying. It is not all that different from the emergence of female superheros.

When it comes down to it, homosexuality is not being forced on anyone. People can complain about things like gay superheros, Glee, American Idol and whatnot, but nobody is being forced to watch those shows. The people who create those products are targeting them toward an audience, and that audience is at least tolerant of homosexuality. If someone happens to think that homosexuality is wrong, that is fine but it does not mean that they have the right to dictate what content others have access to. All you have to do is not watch those shows. In America we have the right to chose for ourselves what we believe and what forms of entertainment we wish to purchase.

Besides, in a society where a lot of people consider Twilight good literature I think we have bigger problems then a comic book that has a gay superhero.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
It’s not so much that there is a gay superhero, it’s that they changed him. They “improved” him by making him gay.
[/quote]

THIS.