Cy or Tim, can you please clear this up for me.
I just ordered some Green Alpha Male that supposedly contains Vitex. If I take maximum doses of each, how should I modify my intake of M while taking the green Alpha Male?
Thanks.
i have a question about MAG-10, is there a differance between MAG-10 The Destroyer, and MAG-10 The Avenger, i saw 2 bottles with different labels, also i need to know how to cycle it, i have 2 bottles of MAG-10, 1 bottle of Alpha Male, one bottle of ergopharm 6oxo (Biotest M, couldnt find it)
any suggestions, 1 bottle of ZMA, and 1 bottle of Myostat. I dont know which i should use at which times
thanks!!
[quote]michaelv wrote:
Cy or Tim, can you please clear this up for me.
I just ordered some Green Alpha Male that supposedly contains Vitex. If I take maximum doses of each, how should I modify my intake of M while taking the green Alpha Male?
Thanks.[/quote]
If you’re going to be using that product, I’d hold off on using the M until another time. If you did use the two concurrently, you’d be getting a fairly high dose of vitex, which according to the data in men, there’s definitely a dose-dependent effect in which the higher dose produces a greater proportion of the desired effect, unfortunately, the dose you’d probably be taking might be nearly double what they had used. Anyhow, I guess my final answer is to avoid using the two concurrently.
[quote]bigtimematt wrote:
i have a question about MAG-10, is there a differance between MAG-10 The Destroyer, and MAG-10 The Avenger, i saw 2 bottles with different labels, also i need to know how to cycle it, i have 2 bottles of MAG-10, 1 bottle of Alpha Male, one bottle of ergopharm 6oxo (Biotest M, couldnt find it)
any suggestions, 1 bottle of ZMA, and 1 bottle of Myostat. I dont know which i should use at which times
thanks!![/quote]
How to cycle what? Which do you have?
Destroyer is a pro-steroid formulation, the other is used to increase endogenous testosterone production.
If you have the MAG-10 Destroyer, use it for two weeks, followed by two weeks of Alpha Male use. You can use the ZMA every day as directed and use the Myostat before, during and after the cycle of MAG-10.
this is what i have
-MAG-10 The Destroyer
-MAG-10 The Avenger
-Alpha Male
-ergopharm 6oxo (same as Biotest M)
-ZMA
-Myostat
dont know which to use when
thanks!
[quote]bigtimematt wrote:
this is what i have
-MAG-10 The Destroyer
-MAG-10 The Avenger
-Alpha Male
-ergopharm 6oxo (same as Biotest M)
-ZMA
-Myostat
dont know which to use when
thanks![/quote]
If you have the MAG-10 Destroyer, use it for two weeks, followed by two weeks of Alpha Male use. You can use the ZMA every day as directed and use the Myostat before, during and after the cycle of MAG-10.
If you believe 6-oxo does what it claims, use it with Alpha Male, post cycle.
The Avenger can be used post cyle as well.
[quote]Cy Willson wrote:
If you’re going to be using that product, I’d hold off on using the M until another time. If you did use the two concurrently, you’d be getting a fairly high dose of vitex, which according to the data in men, there’s definitely a dose-dependent effect in which the higher dose produces a greater proportion of the desired effect, unfortunately, the dose you’d probably be taking might be nearly double what they had used. Anyhow, I guess my final answer is to avoid using the two concurrently.[/quote]
OK, so what I think you’re saying is that green Alpha Male is basically the old T-Nation Alpha Male plus a full dose of M, making further M supplementation unnecessary?
Thanks.
[quote]michaelv wrote:
Cy Willson wrote:
If you’re going to be using that product, I’d hold off on using the M until another time. If you did use the two concurrently, you’d be getting a fairly high dose of vitex, which according to the data in men, there’s definitely a dose-dependent effect in which the higher dose produces a greater proportion of the desired effect, unfortunately, the dose you’d probably be taking might be nearly double what they had used. Anyhow, I guess my final answer is to avoid using the two concurrently.
OK, so what I think you’re saying is that green Alpha Male is basically the old T-Nation Alpha Male plus a full dose of M, making further M supplementation unnecessary?
Thanks.[/quote]
I don’t know that I’d say the green product available is the same as the old T-Nation Alpha Male, but yes, the amount of vitex would make using M, concurrently, unnecessary.
[quote]Cy Willson wrote:
michaelv wrote:
Cy Willson wrote:
If you’re going to be using that product, I’d hold off on using the M until another time. If you did use the two concurrently, you’d be getting a fairly high dose of vitex, which according to the data in men, there’s definitely a dose-dependent effect in which the higher dose produces a greater proportion of the desired effect, unfortunately, the dose you’d probably be taking might be nearly double what they had used. Anyhow, I guess my final answer is to avoid using the two concurrently.
OK, so what I think you’re saying is that green Alpha Male is basically the old T-Nation Alpha Male plus a full dose of M, making further M supplementation unnecessary?
Thanks.
I don’t know that I’d say the green product available is the same as the old T-Nation Alpha Male, but yes, the amount of vitex would make using M, concurrently, unnecessary.[/quote]
Not to be a pain in the ass, but what would be the difference?
Thanks, Cy.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Cy Willson wrote:
michaelv wrote:
Cy Willson wrote:
If you’re going to be using that product, I’d hold off on using the M until another time. If you did use the two concurrently, you’d be getting a fairly high dose of vitex, which according to the data in men, there’s definitely a dose-dependent effect in which the higher dose produces a greater proportion of the desired effect, unfortunately, the dose you’d probably be taking might be nearly double what they had used. Anyhow, I guess my final answer is to avoid using the two concurrently.
OK, so what I think you’re saying is that green Alpha Male is basically the old T-Nation Alpha Male plus a full dose of M, making further M supplementation unnecessary?
Thanks.
I don’t know that I’d say the green product available is the same as the old T-Nation Alpha Male, but yes, the amount of vitex would make using M, concurrently, unnecessary.
Not to be a pain in the ass, but what would be the difference?
Thanks, Cy.[/quote]
As I’ve gone over before with HOT-ROX, it’s not simply a matter of comparing the overall mg amount as the ratios may be altered, there may be a different extraction method utilized, or a combination.
[quote]Cy Willson wrote:
As I’ve gone over before with HOT-ROX, it’s not simply a matter of comparing the overall mg amount as the ratios may be altered, there may be a different extraction method utilized, or a combination. [/quote]
Cy, that’s actually a very helpful answer. It sounds like it’s “very similar, but not identical”. Even that is a lot more helpful than what I had previously been able to find out, which wasn’t much at all.
Thanks again for your helpful feedback.
Cy,
I’m about to order some Alpha Male and need to know. If I’m not worried about spending too much money, should I or shouldn’t I use M with Alpha Male? Will there be a benefit from the M while using it on off days of Alpha Male? Thanks.
Dump the M… Stick with the Alpha Male. I’ve heard it’s way more effective.
OD
Also Cy,
how would I integrate Carbolin 19 into this mix. Would I benefit from using Carbolin 19 while using Alpha Male and/or M? Please let me know because I am about to place a big order. Thanks.
I wasn’t asking if one was more “effective” than the other, I was asking if I would benefit from adding M to my Alpha Male off days.
[quote]tuffloud wrote:
I wasn’t asking if one was more “effective” than the other, I was asking if I would benefit from adding M to my Alpha Male off days.[/quote]
Cy has said in the past that, yes, it would be “effective”. Whether it’s cost-effective will probably be up to you.
[quote]tuffloud wrote:
Also Cy,
how would I integrate Carbolin 19 into this mix. Would I benefit from using Carbolin 19 while using Alpha Male and/or M? Please let me know because I am about to place a big order. Thanks.[/quote]
Carbolin 19 and Alpha Male/M can be used simultaneously.
[quote]tuffloud wrote:
Cy,
I’m about to order some Alpha Male and need to know. If I’m not worried about spending too much money, should I or shouldn’t I use M with Alpha Male? Will there be a benefit from the M while using it on off days of Alpha Male? Thanks.[/quote]
M still has benefits stemming from the inclusion of other compounds. Using it on the weekends is fine, or better yet, designating periods of time for using M while not using Alpha Male is a good idea as well.
[quote]tuffloud wrote:
Also Cy,
how would I integrate Carbolin 19 into this mix. Would I benefit from using Carbolin 19 while using Alpha Male and/or M? Please let me know because I am about to place a big order. Thanks.[/quote]
It’s fine to use Carbolin 19 and these products concurrently. You’ll benefit from Carbolin 19 and Alpha Male with concurrent use, but it’s not to say they’ll have any synergistic effect.
OK Cy,
So I should take Alpha Male AND Carbolin 19 Monday through Friday and M on Saturday and Sunday. Does this sound right?