[quote]imhungry wrote:
tootles27 wrote:
To me it’s The Beatles vs. Led Zeppelin. I love The Rolling Stones but hey, hey what can I say. I tried to debate the absolute greatness of Led Zep with someone and got sent home with the Wings Greatest Hits and All Things Must Pass. Oh well/
Zepplin’s the greatest rock band, E.V.E.R.
“Heartbreaker” sucks, though:)[/quote]
See, I personally don’t like Zeppelin, but whenever I say that, people are cool with it.
And they were actually good.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
imhungry wrote:
tootles27 wrote:
To me it’s The Beatles vs. Led Zeppelin. I love The Rolling Stones but hey, hey what can I say. I tried to debate the absolute greatness of Led Zep with someone and got sent home with the Wings Greatest Hits and All Things Must Pass. Oh well/
Zepplin’s the greatest rock band, E.V.E.R.
“Heartbreaker” sucks, though:)
See, I personally don’t like Zeppelin, but whenever I say that, people are cool with it.
And they were actually good.[/quote]
Well Mister Vic, who do you think is the best band, ever?
The Who is definitely in the top 5.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
re: Beatles
I don’t think it’s an issue if anyone here likes them or not that places them great amongst greats.
It’s the fact that just about every artist/song listed would not exist if not for the influence of the Beatles either directly or indirectly.
Again: bullshit. The rock n roll of the fifties and the jazz /blues is what influenced the bands of today first and foremost. The Beatles came in after the thing was started and did very little in the way of novelty. Most of that was the framework of the pop songs we hear on the radio today that we all hate.
Saying the Beatles did any more than say, Buddy Holly, or a number of other guys, is just stupid. The Beatles simply became ridiculously popular, but in a very superficial ‘pop music’ way. Have they had some influence?
Of course, but they did not change the way people made music. They changed the way people made money from music, and the way music was advertised and fed to the people, maybe, but not what the music actually is.
The Beatles showed up at the right time in the right place with the right people. The music was irrelevant. It had to be, because it’s really not very good music. Thing is, people have been born into a Beatlemaniacal world where everyone loves them.
It’s propaganda and peer pressure. All the people that weren’t born into it are dead now, so there’s no voice of opposition, and everyone just accepts what they’re told.
Everyone born after 1940 has been sucking at the Beatle tit for so long they don’t care or even stop to think the milk is a bit sour.
When one looks at it honestly and somewhat objectively, the Beatles are just another decent band that made some catchy tunes that people liked. Dime a dozen. I’ll agree with that easily. Then it just comes down to personal preference. Whether you like the sound or not.
If someone said ‘I don’t like the Pretenders’ I’d say that’s fine. It’s normal, as we all have different tastes in music.
But if anyone ever says ‘I don’t like the Beatles’ then what’s happened here happens, and it becomes a whole other monster. People start their cultish, blind-faith Beatle-worship. They never even think that it’s just another band, no more, no less. there’s nothing wrong with that.[/quote]
See, your calling it blind worship is no better than my calling you an iconoclast. Why do you get to assume?
Personally I grew up with no interest in The Beatles. I heard the name mentioned enough to realize the group’s popularity, but beyond that I had little exposure and there were certainly no Beatlemaniacs around me. I didn’t get into them until I heard a guitar tribute to Abbey Road and really liked the melodies.
You came into this thread and called me out. You didn’t just say you disliked The Beatles, you said you hated them and didn’t understand why anyone liked them. What did you expect?
For the record, I don’t really get Zeppelin. They had a few good songs, and I understand why they got popular back then, but I don’t see their relevance today.
“Summer Breeze” by Seals & Crofts. No other song has ever made me want to chop my mom’s phone up with an axe when it rings.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
imhungry wrote:
tootles27 wrote:
To me it’s The Beatles vs. Led Zeppelin. I love The Rolling Stones but hey, hey what can I say. I tried to debate the absolute greatness of Led Zep with someone and got sent home with the Wings Greatest Hits and All Things Must Pass. Oh well/
Zepplin’s the greatest rock band, E.V.E.R.
“Heartbreaker” sucks, though:)
See, I personally don’t like Zeppelin, but whenever I say that, people are cool with it.
And they were actually good.
Well Mister Vic, who do you think is the best band, ever?
The Who is definitely in the top 5.[/quote]
AC/DC gets my vote. I know they’re not the most technical but they ROCK. Been around forever and still sell out no matter how big the venue. I’ve heard their music at all types of sporting events like football, baseball, rodeos, soccer, strongman, powerlifting, motorcross, and drags to name a few. AC/DC will get you pumped.
tooo many good songs to just pick one.
Oh yeah! Greatest Song Ever(All Genres)thread so I’ll pick one for Irish Blues Rock Genre
Rory Gallagher-A Million Miles Away
one for American Blues Rock Genre
Jon Bonamassa-If Heartaches Were Nickles
[quote]imhungry wrote:
tootles27 wrote:
To me it’s The Beatles vs. Led Zeppelin. I love The Rolling Stones but hey, hey what can I say. I tried to debate the absolute greatness of Led Zep with someone and got sent home with the Wings Greatest Hits and All Things Must Pass. Oh well/
Zepplin’s the greatest rock band, E.V.E.R.
“Heartbreaker” sucks, though:)[/quote]
Take it back or a certain tail will be gone missing. (^:
[quote]wfifer wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
re: Beatles
I don’t think it’s an issue if anyone here likes them or not that places them great amongst greats.
It’s the fact that just about every artist/song listed would not exist if not for the influence of the Beatles either directly or indirectly.
Again: bullshit. The rock n roll of the fifties and the jazz /blues is what influenced the bands of today first and foremost. The Beatles came in after the thing was started and did very little in the way of novelty. Most of that was the framework of the pop songs we hear on the radio today that we all hate.
Saying the Beatles did any more than say, Buddy Holly, or a number of other guys, is just stupid. The Beatles simply became ridiculously popular, but in a very superficial ‘pop music’ way. Have they had some influence?
Of course, but they did not change the way people made music. They changed the way people made money from music, and the way music was advertised and fed to the people, maybe, but not what the music actually is.
The Beatles showed up at the right time in the right place with the right people. The music was irrelevant. It had to be, because it’s really not very good music. Thing is, people have been born into a Beatlemaniacal world where everyone loves them.
It’s propaganda and peer pressure. All the people that weren’t born into it are dead now, so there’s no voice of opposition, and everyone just accepts what they’re told.
Everyone born after 1940 has been sucking at the Beatle tit for so long they don’t care or even stop to think the milk is a bit sour.
When one looks at it honestly and somewhat objectively, the Beatles are just another decent band that made some catchy tunes that people liked. Dime a dozen. I’ll agree with that easily. Then it just comes down to personal preference. Whether you like the sound or not.
If someone said ‘I don’t like the Pretenders’ I’d say that’s fine. It’s normal, as we all have different tastes in music.
But if anyone ever says ‘I don’t like the Beatles’ then what’s happened here happens, and it becomes a whole other monster. People start their cultish, blind-faith Beatle-worship. They never even think that it’s just another band, no more, no less. there’s nothing wrong with that.
See, your calling it blind worship is no better than my calling you an iconoclast. Why do you get to assume?
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Because it is blind worship, as demonstrated when people tell me I have to accept the Beatles as somehow great, or influential. I don’t. You’re more than welcome to call me an iconoclast, and I’m more than welcome to refute it, but I’m not going to say that either of our opinions is any more than that, as in, an absolute truth.
Your calling me an iconoclast simply because I don’t like the Beatles simply proves my point, per the definition of iconoclast.
And, perhaps most importantly, I’m calling blind worship in reference to a band, nothing more. You’re undermining everything I am when you call me an iconoclast. If I pigeonhole you as a Beatles fan, you pigeonhole me as a person. Which offense is greater?
Perhaps you’re not one of the Blind followers yourself, but most are, as demonstrated by posts in this very thread. The idea is that people take the Beatles further than matters of opinion, in a way usually reserved for religion.
Basically, I’m looking for an ‘agree to disagree’ here, which most Beatles fans seem unwilling to give. That’s when they start telling me I need to listen to the entire catalog, or that ‘I can’t deny’ whatever’, or ‘I have to admit’ whatever, or they influenced whatever.
There’s no give. If people’s beliefs aren’t deemed invalid or wrong when they state how great or influential the Beatles are, then mine shouldn’t be when I state they’re not. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind, I just want them to accept that my opinion is as good as theirs, because it is.
‘I don’t like the Beatles’
“Okay”
Not
“But…”
[quote]imhungry wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
imhungry wrote:
tootles27 wrote:
To me it’s The Beatles vs. Led Zeppelin. I love The Rolling Stones but hey, hey what can I say. I tried to debate the absolute greatness of Led Zep with someone and got sent home with the Wings Greatest Hits and All Things Must Pass. Oh well/
Zepplin’s the greatest rock band, E.V.E.R.
“Heartbreaker” sucks, though:)
See, I personally don’t like Zeppelin, but whenever I say that, people are cool with it.
And they were actually good.
Well Mister Vic, who do you think is the best band, ever?
The Who is definitely in the top 5.[/quote]
Isn’t that obvious?
I liked The Who before I heard Tommy. Tommy sucked hard.
Check out this video for Lateralus:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
‘I don’t like the Beatles’
“Okay”
Not
“But…”[/quote]
If that was all you had said I honestly don’t think there would’ve been a problem. You put me on the defensive. And by bringing up their popularity you opened yourself up to being called an iconoclast. If it was just about your opinion of the band you shouldn’t have mentioned that.
[quote]tootles27 wrote:
imhungry wrote:
tootles27 wrote:
To me it’s The Beatles vs. Led Zeppelin. I love The Rolling Stones but hey, hey what can I say. I tried to debate the absolute greatness of Led Zep with someone and got sent home with the Wings Greatest Hits and All Things Must Pass. Oh well/
Zepplin’s the greatest rock band, E.V.E.R.
“Heartbreaker” sucks, though:)
Take it back or a certain tail will be gone missing. (^:[/quote]
What’s with going after the tail, woman?
Fine. Here’s a present…
THERE IT IS!!! chases tail
[quote]wfifer wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
‘I don’t like the Beatles’
“Okay”
Not
“But…”
If that was all you had said I honestly don’t think there would’ve been a problem. You put me on the defensive. And by bringing up their popularity you opened yourself up to being called an iconoclast. If it was just about your opinion of the band you shouldn’t have mentioned that. [/quote]
Well, it’s all part of my opinion of the band, isn’t it?
[quote]Chewie wrote:
Check out this video for Lateralus:
For me, TOOL took off where METALLICA died, in the 90’s.
I wish they would put out new stuff more often than every 20 years. (I exaggerated a bit…)
[quote]wfifer wrote:
For the record, I don’t really get Zeppelin. They had a few good songs, and I understand why they got popular back then, but I don’t see their relevance today. [/quote]
Blasphemy!!! I hope Bonzo haunts you in your dreams!!
Their popularity is testament to how great a band they were. They avoided the mainstream media and televised performances. Their musical talents sold their albums.
Out of curiosity, how much of their stuff have you heard?
Many consider Zeppelin the first hard rock/metal band. I think they have a ton of relevance today.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Well, it’s all part of my opinion of the band, isn’t it?[/quote]
I don’t see what popularity has to do with music, no.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
Blasphemy!!! I hope Bonzo haunts you in your dreams!!
Their popularity is testament to how great a band they were. They avoided the mainstream media and televised performances. Their musical talents sold their albums.
Out of curiosity, how much of their stuff have you heard?
Many consider Zeppelin the first hard rock/metal band. I think they have a ton of relevance today.
[/quote]
Maybe relevance in a history of rock 'n roll class. =P I don’t think the music is strong enough to stand the test of time. Like I said, I know why they were popular, I just don’t know why they still are. Frankly I think Plant’s vocals are pretty weak and it hurts some otherwise great songs. The rest of them were obviously quite talented but technical ability doesn’t mean good music.
I do have everything they’ve done. I even have a John Paul Jones solo album hahaha. If you’d care to point out some songs that you feel make the band great, I’d be open to it. Songs I haven’t heard a million times on the radio that is.
[quote]wfifer wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Well, it’s all part of my opinion of the band, isn’t it?
I don’t see what popularity has to do with music, no.
[/quote]
There’s more to a band than just the sound they make, obviously.
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
wfifer wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Well, it’s all part of my opinion of the band, isn’t it?
I don’t see what popularity has to do with music, no.
There’s more to a band than just the sound they make, obviously.[/quote]
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
wfifer wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Well, it’s all part of my opinion of the band, isn’t it?
I don’t see what popularity has to do with music, no.
There’s more to a band than just the sound they make, obviously.
[/quote]
Hence my degeneration into single-sentence posts.
But thanks for dragging it out longer, bro.
dream on-doesnt matter the genre because it beats everything =]
[quote]wfifer wrote:
Maybe relevance in a history of rock 'n roll class. =P I don’t think the music is strong enough to stand the test of time. Like I said, I know why they were popular, I just don’t know why they still are. Frankly I think Plant’s vocals are pretty weak and it hurts some otherwise great songs. The rest of them were obviously quite talented but technical ability doesn’t mean good music.
[/quote]
How were Plant’s vocals weak? That is the first time I have heard anyone describe his vocals in that manner.
I guess our definitions of what constitutes, “standing the test of time”, are different.
The fact that they are played to this day on radio is a testament to their music’s longevity. These guys rarely released singles and they didn’t care too much for the media. Their first commercial release that showed them on stage wasn’t until TSRTS around 1975. Their most popular and best selling album, the 4th album, had no distinguishing remarks that told buyers that it was a Zeppelin album. All it had on the back was “Produced by Jimmy Page”. So like I said previously, their music sold itself without much advertising or commercial help.
If you are above the age of thirty and play guitar, you were probably influenced in some way by Page. Same for Bonzo and the drums/percussion.
[quote]
I do have everything they’ve done. I even have a John Paul Jones solo album hahaha. If you’d care to point out some songs that you feel make the band great, I’d be open to it. Songs I haven’t heard a million times on the radio that is. [/quote]
Although It is not my favorite Zeppelin song, I can’t deny how good Stairway is.
Achilles is fantastic, especially live. It is also probably Zeppelin’s most underrated song.
What is and What Should Never Be
Whole Lotta Love
The Battle of Evermore
Since I’ve been Loving You
Any variation of I Can’t Quite You Babe
Over the Hills and Far Away
Traveling Riverside Blues
The Song Remains the Same
The Rain Song
Rock and Roll
Black Dog
Misty Mountain Hop
Ten Years Gone
Kashmir
In My Time of Dying
Fool in the Rain
Bring it on Home
How Many More Times
Hey Hey What Can I Do
Bron Yr Stomp
Thank You
Just a few of the top of my head. And note the vast difference of styles in each song. That is what made Zeppelin the best. They could play Folk, Blues, Ballads, Hard Rock. They could mix a little “Eastern flavor” and rock and roll and produce Kashmir. They could blow people out of their seats live with something like Achilles Last Stand. They could all these things and excel in everyone of them.
Just curious, who do think is better than them?