[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Sure… and he waited until he was drafted to convert.
So you know, my dad was a boxer in the marines waiting for his chance with Cassius Clay,.
Well at least ELVIS was braver than Casssius Clay.
loser.
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Elvis was a fat racist who stole music from black people.
[quote]method_man wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Sure… and he waited until he was drafted to convert.
So you know, my dad was a boxer in the marines waiting for his chance with Cassius Clay,.
Well at least ELVIS was braver than Casssius Clay.
loser.
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Elvis was a fat racist who stole music from black people.
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So you know… I think you are a racist idiot that doesn’t have anything to add to this thread.
Go crawl back under your rock.
Celeste
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Since no one will read the long paragraphs, check out Jim Thorpe (he, unlike Ali, was a marine),
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Thorpe, unlike Ali, was white.
Watch yourself there woman.[/quote]
You are beyond wrong O’Hooligan.
Thorpe was a Native American. Ali was an asshole that went from Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali when his card was punched.
Jim Thorpe grew up on a reservation. Jim Thorpe is Running Brave.
How sad you so not know this.
My dad is a golden gloves/marine corps boxer. I have grown up with this stuff.
Ali sucks tit because he converted to suck on the teat of America but not fight for her.
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I agree about Jim Thorpe. Not many people know about him. The guy did it all. Straight up athlete.
Just to put it out there.l… Elvis was the man and went ahead and entered the miliatary unlike the cowardly Muhammad Ali. What a joke.
Although Elvis was not put in actual fire fights he did visit many military encampments. The same that would have been offered to the coward Muhammad Ali… who instead ran …
Ah well… now we can look back and think he was the greatest although that was so far from the truth. Did he hold the most titles… nope…
ah well… a draft dodger is not someone I care to know about.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Just to put it out there.l… Elvis was the man and went ahead and entered the miliatary unlike the cowardly Muhammad Ali. What a joke.
Although Elvis was not put in actual fire fights he did visit many military encampments. The same that would have been offered to the coward Muhammad Ali… who instead ran …
Ah well… now we can look back and think he was the greatest although that was so far from the truth. Did he hold the most titles… nope…
ah well… a draft dodger is not someone I care to know about.
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[quote]method_man wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Yah. didn’t bother to listen.
How about you put up what you think is the Greatest American Sports Moment of All time… and… it sure isn’t any basketball moment, or soccer, or softball.
Not even swimming as we have pretty much always dominated that.
hhhmmmmm… you know… we dominate pretty much all the summer sports except the marathon.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
None of that is accurate. Cassius Clay both made his Nation of Islam affiliation and religious beliefs public after his first fight with Sonny Liston. He soon changed his name to Muhammad Ali. He then continued to fight and lost popularity with mainstream America because of his affiliation with the Nation of Islam. Instead of being drafted and given some meaningless position in the Army where he wouldn’t have had to take part in any actual combat he refused to serve in a war he didn’t support because of the politics of the time. During his ban he lost years off of his prime, more than what he would have lost in the Army and lost his income for those years as well. Yet despite the consequences Ali refused to be drafted and publicly spoke out against the war.
Muhammad Ali might have been unpatriotic but he’s no coward. [/quote]
I agree with all of this, because it’s true and factual.
OG, I don’t give a fuck who was a marine and who wasn’t - it don’t impress me, especially when we’re not talking about anything having to do with that.
As a black man living in that time, I would not have fought in Vietnam either. I’ve said it a lot of times, that if I was a black man living back then, the odds are great that I would have been a Black Panther.
Ali taking on the white Establishment and telling them to fuck themselves is what made him go from being a mere boxer to becoming a legend.
I don’t wish to talk politics. But for you to say something about Jim fucking Thorpe being a marine, and insinuate that this, in any way, makes him a better or more legendary athlete than Ali, is asinine.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
None of that is accurate. Cassius Clay both made his Nation of Islam affiliation and religious beliefs public after his first fight with Sonny Liston. He soon changed his name to Muhammad Ali. He then continued to fight and lost popularity with mainstream America because of his affiliation with the Nation of Islam. Instead of being drafted and given some meaningless position in the Army where he wouldn’t have had to take part in any actual combat he refused to serve in a war he didn’t support because of the politics of the time. During his ban he lost years off of his prime, more than what he would have lost in the Army and lost his income for those years as well. Yet despite the consequences Ali refused to be drafted and publicly spoke out against the war.
Muhammad Ali might have been unpatriotic but he’s no coward. [/quote]
I agree with all of this, because it’s true and factual.
OG, I don’t give a fuck who was a marine and who wasn’t - it don’t impress me, especially when we’re not talking about anything having to do with that.
As a black man living in that time, I would not have fought in Vietnam either. I’ve said it a lot of times, that if I was a black man living back then, the odds are great that I would have been a Black Panther.
Ali taking on the white Establishment and telling them to fuck themselves is what made him go from being a mere boxer to becoming a legend.
I don’t wish to talk politics. But for you to say something about Jim fucking Thorpe being a marine, and insinuate that this, in any way, makes him a better or more legendary athlete than Ali, is asinine. [/quote]
Are you kiddng?
Jim Thorpe is so beyond the athlete that the poser Ali was is beyond even explaining.
How about you get your addict head out of the jockstrap of the one sport wannabes of the great ones such as Ali and you Tell me me how the heck they can even match up to Jim Thorpe?
YOU CAN’T.
Why the heck you have you head so up Ali’s Ass I do not know. BUT, it is stupid if you even think that transfers to ALL SPORTS.
Ali was a coward who took up a religion to then not fight for a nation that provided him for the rest of his life.
Get the fuck out of here is you want to even discuss more than that.
How about you pull your head out and look at Jim Thorpe and Babe Didrickson before you stare vomiting the here to fore thought of by the ignorant masses what might have been the greatest if you want to discount Rocky Marciano or Sugar Ray Leonard… What the fuck ever.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
None of that is accurate. Cassius Clay both made his Nation of Islam affiliation and religious beliefs public after his first fight with Sonny Liston. He soon changed his name to Muhammad Ali. He then continued to fight and lost popularity with mainstream America because of his affiliation with the Nation of Islam. Instead of being drafted and given some meaningless position in the Army where he wouldn’t have had to take part in any actual combat he refused to serve in a war he didn’t support because of the politics of the time. During his ban he lost years off of his prime, more than what he would have lost in the Army and lost his income for those years as well. Yet despite the consequences Ali refused to be drafted and publicly spoke out against the war.
Muhammad Ali might have been unpatriotic but he’s no coward. [/quote]
I agree with all of this, because it’s true and factual.
OG, I don’t give a fuck who was a marine and who wasn’t - it don’t impress me, especially when we’re not talking about anything having to do with that.
As a black man living in that time, I would not have fought in Vietnam either. I’ve said it a lot of times, that if I was a black man living back then, the odds are great that I would have been a Black Panther.
Ali taking on the white Establishment and telling them to fuck themselves is what made him go from being a mere boxer to becoming a legend.
I don’t wish to talk politics. But for you to say something about Jim fucking Thorpe being a marine, and insinuate that this, in any way, makes him a better or more legendary athlete than Ali, is asinine. [/quote]
Are you kiddng?
Jim Thorpe is so beyond the athlete that the poser Ali was is beyond even explaining.
How about you get your addict head out of the jockstrap of the one sport wannabes of the great ones such as Ali and you Tell me me how the heck they can even match up to Jim Thorpe?
YOU CAN’T.
Why the heck you have you head so up Ali’s Ass I do not know. BUT, it is stupid if you even think that transfers to ALL SPORTS.
Ali was a coward who took up a religion to then not fight for a nation that provided him for the rest of his life.
Get the fuck out of here is you want to even discuss more than that.
How about you pull your head out and look at Jim Thorpe and Babe Didrickson before you stare vomiting the here to fore thought of by the ignorant masses what might have been the greatest if you want to discount Rocky Marciano or Sugar Ray Leonard… What the fuck ever.
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I keed I keed. Carry on.
I never said that Jim Thorpe wasn’t a better athlete. What I was pointing out is that you push the “marine” shit as if it means a flying fuck when it comes to sports or who actually is the better athlete.
You created a red herring for yourself and then went after it. I’ve said nothing of the sort.
I’ve never even said that Ali was the greatest boxer of all time - I don’t think he was, if you’re talking strictly skills. But in ability to transcend the sport, and make his fame into something much more powerful and meaningful than being “just another boxer,” well, Ali took that to another level - one that no one has been able to emulate since.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I never said that Jim Thorpe wasn’t a better athlete. What I was pointing out is that you push the “marine” shit as if it means a flying fuck when it comes to sports or who actually is the better athlete.
You created a red herring for yourself and then went after it. I’ve said nothing of the sort.
I’ve never even said that Ali was the greatest boxer of all time - I don’t think he was, if you’re talking strictly skills. But in ability to transcend the sport, and make his fame into something much more powerful and meaningful than being “just another boxer,” well, Ali took that to another level - one that no one has been able to emulate since. [/quote]
What an asshole, of course being a Marine means a lot more than being a draft dodger.
He was never a greatest moment. Stop with the kool aid. It sucks that you come across as this in the know current reporter but you suck the teat as such a loser.
ah well
If you ever want to research an actual American Hero and American Sport Legend
Try Babe Didrickson or Jim Thorpe
Stop with your Boxing, those folks are one sport wonders.
How about you see if Jim Thorpe or Jesse Owens ever boxed?
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Bulllshit
He only decided to publicly proclaim this crap AFTER he decided to deny the draft.
he is a coward.
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Please.
Elvis did a cushy little deal in occupied Germany whereas Ali went against a whole country hell bent on killing a few million of people he had no trouble with.
Also, describing a world champion as “sucking on the publics teat” is kind of strange.
Sure… and he waited until he was drafted to convert.
So you know, my dad was a boxer in the marines waiting for his chance with Cassius Clay,.
Well at least ELVIS was braver than Casssius Clay.
loser.
[/quote]
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I never said that Jim Thorpe wasn’t a better athlete. What I was pointing out is that you push the “marine” shit as if it means a flying fuck when it comes to sports or who actually is the better athlete.
You created a red herring for yourself and then went after it. I’ve said nothing of the sort.
I’ve never even said that Ali was the greatest boxer of all time - I don’t think he was, if you’re talking strictly skills. But in ability to transcend the sport, and make his fame into something much more powerful and meaningful than being “just another boxer,” well, Ali took that to another level - one that no one has been able to emulate since. [/quote]
What an asshole, of course being a Marine means a lot more than being a draft dodger.
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Says you.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
What an asshole, of course being a Marine means a lot more than being a draft dodger.
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Not in regards to sports it doesn’t. Don’t mean shit.
Say what you want. I’m not going to contend with a bunch of arguments that you yourself are making up. I have never said any of these things, and I didn’t list as a greatest moment either, so I don’t know what’s up your ass.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
What an asshole, of course being a Marine means a lot more than being a draft dodger.
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Not in regards to sports it doesn’t. Don’t mean shit.
Say what you want. I’m not going to contend with a bunch of arguments that you yourself are making up. I have never said any of these things, and I didn’t list as a greatest moment either, so I don’t know what’s up your ass.[/quote]
Sure that makes it easy because he wasn’t even the greatest boxer.
Whatever O’Hooligan. Keep spewing your dogma. He was not the greatest, except for in your mind.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Since no one will read the long paragraphs, check out Jim Thorpe (he, unlike Ali, was a marine),
[/quote]
Thorpe, unlike Ali, was white.
Watch yourself there woman.[/quote]
to put it out there… my ignorant friend, O’Hooligan,… JIM THORPE WAS A NATIVE AMERICAN.
WOW
just want this to get the attention it deserves.
The ignorance is shining in this statement.
Billy Mills winning the 1964 Olympic 10K.
[quote]2busy wrote:
Billy Mills winning the 1964 Olympic 10K.[/quote]
another native american.
Very cool.
And a marine… unlike so many draft dodging boxers…
YAY Billy Mills!!!
Bronx bomber… an English man, not a draft dodger and actually entertained the troops unlike the no good Ali who decided to hide behind his go to religion. THANK YOU BOB HOPE!!!
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Since no one will read the long paragraphs, check out Jim Thorpe (he, unlike Ali, was a marine),
[/quote]
Thorpe, unlike Ali, was white.
Watch yourself there woman.[/quote]
WOW
just want this to get the attention it deserves.
The ignorance is shining in this statement.
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You really need to get off your high horse.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Since no one will read the long paragraphs, check out Jim Thorpe (he, unlike Ali, was a marine),
[/quote]
Thorpe, unlike Ali, was white.
Watch yourself there woman.[/quote]
WOW
just want this to get the attention it deserves.
The ignorance is shining in this statement.
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You really need to get off your high horse.[/quote]
you really need to get off the teat of Ali
hey will you admit to your ignorance in regards to Jim Thorpe? What about Billy Mills?
Let me guess… you are ignorant and have no idea?
edit
It seems like O’Hooligan is being stubborn and not looking up actual American
sports heroes. SOOO
JIM THORPE AND BILLY MILLS ARE NATIVE AMERICANS. stop with the ignorant statements.
Try Googling Running Brave… or even Billy Mills All American… what is wrong with you?
Next… try getting out of your boxing hole and Google Babe Didrickson
yah… Ali is a draft dodging amateur compared to them.