[quote]SSC wrote:
Greatest American Sports Moment of All Time?
Pretty much any snap Tim Tebow played… yes.[/quote]
sorry man had to do it. 
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Abby Wambach’s header against Brazil. Quarterfinals in FIFA Women’s World Cup. just happened today.[/quote]
I didn’t know Americans watched soccer.
And I didn’t know women’s soccer existed.
Who really cares about this one? C’mon.[/quote]
normally I would agree. It’s soccer, and women’s soccer at that. But World Cup is different, and that game was different if you watched it.
US got shafted several key times and that play to tie was phenomenal. Not just b/c of the timing, but for that play to work was amazing. If that ball was 1" lower gaolie knocks it away.
sadly relevant…
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Abby Wambach’s header against Brazil. Quarterfinals in FIFA Women’s World Cup. just happened today.[/quote]
I didn’t know Americans watched soccer.
And I didn’t know women’s soccer existed.
Who really cares about this one? C’mon.[/quote]
normally I would agree. It’s soccer, and women’s soccer at that. But World Cup is different, and that game was different if you watched it.
US got shafted several key times and that play to tie was phenomenal. Not just b/c of the timing, but for that play to work was amazing. If that ball was 1" lower gaolie knocks it away.[/quote]
Eh. Couldn’t care less.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Abby Wambach’s header against Brazil. Quarterfinals in FIFA Women’s World Cup. just happened today.[/quote]
I didn’t know Americans watched soccer.
And I didn’t know women’s soccer existed.
Who really cares about this one? C’mon.[/quote]
normally I would agree. It’s soccer, and women’s soccer at that. But World Cup is different, and that game was different if you watched it.
US got shafted several key times and that play to tie was phenomenal. Not just b/c of the timing, but for that play to work was amazing. If that ball was 1" lower gaolie knocks it away.[/quote]
Eh. Couldn’t care less. [/quote]
doesn’t matter. that game was a top American sports moment. even if you didn’t like soccer, and you watched the game, you would agree. the fact that it was the World Cup makes it a great American sports moment, doesn’t matter if it’s men’s or women’s soccer. It will be shown on ESPN for years for a reason.
My bad, fell off the grid for a hot minute. By American sports moment I meant that reverberated(spelling?) around the world. Super Bowls are all well and good, but outside the USA it’s more or less insignificant. I mean big like the Miracle on Ice, where everyone noticed.
wow… this is so crazy
How is it that Jim Thorpe is not mentioned? How is Babe Didrickson not mentioned?
Jim Thorpe was and IS a native American that killed the competition. NO one in track could compete aganst him.
He also played football, baseball and even did ballroom dancing. HE … (unlike Ali the coward) served as a marine during war time.
Fine if this is overload so you don’t want to know about a true American Hero
Jim Thorpe - Olympic Hero and Native American
In the colorful history of Olympics, there have been heroes who have made history and who have embodied legends. There have been so many different glorious personalities that it is hard to choose who is the most legendary or remarkable of them all. But when we think of a great hero who struggled against circumstances and made a big splash, the name Jim Thorpe usually comes to mind among those familiar with Olympic history.
Jim Thorpe was born near the town of Prague, Oklahoma on May the 28th 1887. There exists a doubt about his true full name however. Some say his name was James Francis Thorpe, but Jacobus Franciscus Thorpe is the official name on his christening certificate. In the end it is not the name that is so important but the actions of the man himself.
He studied and went to school in Stroud, Oklahoma at the Sac and Fox Indian Agency. His brother Charlie whom he had loved and gone to school with, died of pneumonia when he was only eight years old.
This hit Thorpe like a ton of bricks. It was about this time when he began to run away from school on a regular basis and when his father sent him to what today is Haskell Indian Nations University located in Lawrence, Kansas. However, this stint at education did not last too long, because when his mother died two years later, Thorpe decided to run away from school in order to work at a Horse ranch.
By 1904, Thorpe was reconciled with his father and went to the Carlisle Indian Industrial School in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. And while studying there, he met Glenn Scobey “Pop” Warner. This man was one of the greatest coaches in Early American football. Meeting Pop Warner would change Thorpe?s life forever and make him a legend in his own right. However, later that year the young Thorpe met with yet another blow when his father died.
He again ran away and spent time on a farm doing hard labor. After a few years however, he returned once again to Carlisle and from then on, his training to become one of the greatest athletes began.
By 1912 he was ready to take on the world at the Olympics. He had proven his worth time and time again on the field and now was his time to shine. In the 1912 Olympics, 2 new multi events were introduced. They were the pentathlon and the decathlon. Thorpe was ready for both these events. He had been dynamic, active and talented at all of Carlisle’s track meets, so he took part in the U.S. Olympic trials. He easily won and was placed on the national team. Coincidentally, that team included the future president of the International Olympics committee Avery Brundage.
Everything was now ready and the team set off for Stockholm where the games were to be held. While Thorpe’s teammates struggled and worked hard, legend tells us that Jim Thorpe went to sleep and was often seen lounging and relaxing. He knew how to keep things cool and calm and it worked for him. That might just be what brought him such great success.
After arrival at the Olympics, the first event scheduled was the pentathlon. Thorpe was the best on the field, and he won four events with style and elegance. After winning the Pentathlon, Thorpe qualified for the high-jump final. In that final, he placed fourth, and then went on to take seventh place in the long jump.
The final event was the decathlon. Here, Thorpe had to face Hugo Wieslander, a local hero and favorite. Whatever may have been the reputation of Wieslander, he was no match for Thorpe. Finishing some 700 points behind him, he was completely outclassed and outmatched.
In the end Jim Thorpe received two gold medals and two Challenger Prizes. One of these prizes came from King Gustav V and the other from King Nicholas II of Russia . And if those honors were not enough the King of Sweden himself praised Thorpe by saying “You sir, are the greatest athlete in the world”.
Not long after all of this, in 1913 he was stripped of his hard won Olympic gold medals. It turned out that he had played minor baseball. Even though he got paid very little for this baseball stint he lost his medals. And he never got them back in his lifetime. It was not until 1982 that his family was able to fight to get the medals back successfully. Now that they have won their fight we can once again count Jim Thorpe as one of the greatest gold medal Olympians of all time.
Now for Babe Didrickson
She was amazing
If any of you actually want to know who she is, read this, then Google, whatever, but, you are far afield if you do not mention Jim Thorpe or Babe Didrickson, or Greg Louganis.
Mildred Ella “Babe” Didrikson Zaharias (June 26, 1911 ? September 27, 1956) was an American athlete who achieved outstanding success in golf, basketball, and track and field. She was named the 10th Greatest North American Athlete of the 20th Century by ESPN, and the 9th Greatest Athlete of the 20th Century by the
Athletic achievements
Didrikson gained world fame in track and field and All-American status in basketball. She played organized baseball and softball and was an expert diver, roller-skater and bowler. She won two gold medals and one silver medal for track and field in the 1932 Los Angeles Olympics.[3]
[edit]AAU champion
Didrikson’s first job after high school was a secretary, for the Employers Casualty Insurance Company of Dallas, though she was employed so that she could play basketball as an amateur on the company’s “industrial team”, the Golden Cyclones, in competition governed by the Amateur Athletic Union (AAU). Despite leading the team to an AAU Basketball Championship in 1931, Didrikson first achieved wider attention as a track and field athlete.
Representing her company in the 1932 AAU Championships, she competed in eight out of ten events, winning five outright, and tying for first in a sixth. In the process, she set five world records in the javelin throw, 80-meter hurdles, high jump and baseball throw in a single afternoon. Didrikson’s performances were enough to win the team championship, despite her being the only member of her team.
[edit]Post-Olympics
In the following years, she performed on the vaudeville circuit, travelled with teams like Babe Didrikson’s All-Americans basketball team and the bearded House of David (commune) team. Didrikson was also a competitive pocket billiards (pool) player, though not a champion. She was noted in the January 1933 press for playing (and badly losing) a multi-day straight pool match in New York City against famed female cueist Ruth McGinnis.[4]
[edit]Golf
By 1935, she began to play golf, a latecomer to the sport by which she would become the most famous. Shortly thereafter, despite the brevity of her experience, she was denied amateur status, and so in January 1938, she competed in the Los Angeles Open, a men’s PGA (Professional Golfers’ Association) tournament, a feat no other woman would even try until Annika Sörenstam, Suzy Whaley, and Michelle Wie almost six decades later. She shot 81 strokes and 84 strokes, and she missed the cut. In the tournament, she was teamed with George Zaharias. They were married eleven months later, and lived in Tampa on the premises of a golf course that they purchased in 1951.
Babe went on to become America’s first female golf celebrity and the leading player of the 1940s and early 1950s. If she wanted to gain back her amateur status she would have to not play any other sports for three years. After gaining back her amateur status in 1942, she won the 1946-47 United States Women’s Amateur Golf Championships, as well as the 1947 British Ladies Amateur Golf Championship ? the first American to do so ? and three Women’s Western Open victories. Having formally turned professional in 1947, she dominated the Women’s Professional Golf Association and later the Ladies Professional Golf Association, of which she was a founding member. Serious illness ended her career in the mid-1950s.
Zaharias even won a tournament named after her, the Babe Zaharias Open of Beaumont, Texas. She won the 1947 Titleholders Championship and the 1948 U.S. Women’s Open for her fourth and fifth major championships. She won 17 straight women’s amateur victories, a feat never equaled by anyone, including Tiger Woods. By 1950, she had won every golf title available. Totaling both her amateur and professional victories, Zaharias won a total of 82 golf tournaments.
Charles McGrath of The New York Times wrote of Zaharias, “Except perhaps for Arnold Palmer, no golfer has ever been more beloved by the gallery”.[5]
[edit]Against the men
While Zaharias missed the cut in a PGA tour event during her first year of tournament golf, later as she became more experienced she made the cut in every PGA tour event she entered. In 1945, Zaharias played in three PGA tournaments. She shot 76-81 to make the two-day cut at the Los Angeles Open (missed the three-day cut after a 79), making her the first (and currently only) woman in history to make the cut in a regular PGA tour event. She continued her cut streak at the Phoenix Open, where she shot 77-72-75-80 finishing in 33rd place. At the Tucson Open she shot 307 and finished tied for 42nd. Unlike other female golfers competing in men’s events, she got into the Phoenix and Tucson opens through 36-hole qualifiers, as opposed to a sponsor’s exemption.[6]
[edit]Last years
Zaharias had her greatest year in 1950 when she completed the Grand Slam of the three women’s majors of the day, the U.S. Open, the Titleholders Championship, and the Women’s Western Open, in addition to leading the money list. That year, she became the fastest LPGA golfer to ever reach 10 wins, doing so in one year and 20 days, a record still standing. She was the leading money-winner again in 1951, and in 1952 took another major with a Titleholders victory, but illness prevented her from playing a full schedule in 1952-53. However, this did not stop her from also becoming the fastest player to reach 20 wins (two years and four months).
Babe Didrickson Zaharias was diagnosed with colon cancer in 1953, and after undergoing cancer surgery, she made a comeback in 1954. She took the Vare Trophy for lowest scoring average, her only win of that trophy, and her 10th and final major with a U.S. Women’s Open championship, one month after the surgery. With this win, she became the second-oldest woman to ever win a major LPGA championship tournament (behind Fay Crocker). Babe Zaharias now stands third to Crocker and Sherri Steinhauer. These wins made her the fastest player to reach 30 wins (five years and 22 days).[6] In addition to continuing tournament play, she also served as the president of the LPGA from 1952 to 1955.[7]
Her colon cancer recurred in 1955, but despite her limited schedule of eight golfing events that season, she managed to gain her last two wins in competitive golf. On September 27, 1956, Zaharias died of her illness at the John Sealy Hospital in Galveston, Texas, at age forty-five. At the time of her death she was still a top-ranked female golfer. She and her husband had established the Babe Zaharias Fund to support cancer clinics.[8] “The Babe” is buried at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Beaumont.
[edit]Cultural impact
The Babe Didrikson Zaharias Museum in Beaumont is also the chamber of commerce welcoming center.
Zaharias broke the accepted models of femininity in her time, including the accepted models of female athleticism. Although just 5’5" tall, she was physically strong and socially straightforward about her strength. Although a sports hero to many, she was also derided for her “manliness”.[1] She died 10 years before the Second Wave of feminism altered the social landscape of the United States and made women athletes, such as Billie Jean King, more acceptable.
Zaharias has a museum dedicated to her, and a golf course that she owned was given landmark status.[citation needed] Beaumont, Texas is home to the Babe Didrikson Zaharias Park and Museum.
[edit]Contemporary impressions
It would be much better if she and her ilk stayed at home, got themselves prettied up and waited for the phone to ring.
? sportswriter Joe Williams, New York World-Telegram, [1]
Williams’ remark typified the attitude of some toward women who did not fit the traditional ideals of femininity current in the first half of the 20th century. However, in the same time period, the Associated Press chose her as the “Female Athlete of the Year” six times for track & field and for golfing, and, in 1950, overwhelmingly voted for her as the “Greatest Female Athlete of the First Half of the Century”.[1] Aside from her impact on the women and girls of her time, she impressed seasoned sportswriters also:
She is beyond all belief until you see her perform…Then you finally understand that you are looking at the most flawless section of muscle harmony, of complete mental and physical coordination, the world of sport has ever seen.
? sportswriter Grantland Rice, quoted by ESPN, [1]
She was inducted into the Hall of Fame of Women’s Golf in 1951. In 1957, she was given the Bob Jones Award, the highest honor given by the United States Golf Association in recognition of distinguished sportsmanship in golf. She was one of six initial inductees into the LPGA Hall of Fame at its inception in 1977.
[edit]Modern-day
The Associated Press followed up its 1950 declaration fifty years later by voting Zaharias the Woman Athlete of the 20th Century in 1999. In 2000, Sports Illustrated magazine also named her second on its list of the Greatest Female Athletes of All Time, behind the heptathlete Jackie Joyner-Kersee. She is also in the World Golf Hall of Fame. Zaharias is the highest ranked woman, at #10, on ESPN’s list of the 50 top athletes of the 20th century. In 2000, she was ranked as the 17th greatest golfer, and the second-greatest woman player (after Mickey Wright) by Golf Digest magazine.[9] Her exploits were referenced by the irreverent comedy program Family Guy, in which her name and deeds were used as part of an “extended” version to the theme of the television series Maude.[citation needed] Zaharias was also mentioned on the Simpsons episode, “The Devil Wears Nada,” as the costume Marge Simpson wears when she poses for a racy charity calendar.
She broke the mold of what a lady golfer was supposed to be. The ideal in the 20s and 30s was Joyce Wethered, a willowy Englishwoman with a picture-book swing that produced elegant shots but not especially long ones. Zaharias developed a grooved athletic swing reminiscent of Lee Trevino’s, and she was so strong off the tee that a fellow Texan, the great golfer Byron Nelson, once said that he knew of only eight men who could outdrive her. “It’s not enough just to swing at the ball,” Babe said. “You’ve got to loosen your girdle and really let the ball have it.”
? journalist Charles McGrath, New York Times, [5]
Zaharias penned an autobiography This Life I’ve led. It is no longer in print but is available in many libraries.[10]
In 1975, the film Babe, based on Zaharias’ life, was released, with Susan Clark playing the lead role. Alex Karras played George Zaharias. Clark and Karras met while making the picture and later married.[10]
[edit]Babe Zaharias Golf Course
In 1949, Zaharias purchased a golf course in the Forest Hills area of Tampa and lived nearby. After her death, the golf course was sold. It lay dormant as developers attempted to acquire the land for residential housing.
In 1974, the City of Tampa took over the golf course, renovated it, and reopened it, naming it the Babe Zaharias Golf Course. At some point afterward, it was accorded historical-landmark status.[11]
[edit]In the media
Zaharias appeared as a guest on the ABC reality show, The Comeback Story (1953-1954), explaining her attempts to battle colon cancer, which thereafter still claimed her life.[12]
In 1952, she appeared in the Spencer Tracy-Katharine Hepburn film Pat and Mike.
In 2007, Carolyn Gage began work on Babe, a full-chorus, full-orchestra musical about Zaharias.[13]
In June 2011, Little, Brown is scheduled to publish a major biography of Zaharias, Wonder Girl, by author Don Van Natta, Jr…[14]
[edit]Amateur wins
This list is probably incomplete:
1947 North and South Women’s Amateur Golf Championship, British Ladies Amateur Golf Championship
[edit]Professional wins
[edit]LPGA Tour wins (41)
1940 (1) Women’s Western Open (as an amateur)
1944 (1) Women’s Western Open (as an amateur)
1945 (1) Women’s Western Open (as an amateur)
1947 (2) Tampa Open, Titleholders Championship (as an amateur)
1948 (3) All American Open, World Championship, U.S. Women’s Open
1949 (2) World Championship, Eastern Open
1950 (8) Titleholders Championship, Pebble Beach Weathervane, Cleveland Weathervane, 144 Hole Weathervane, Women’s Western Open, All American Open, World Championship, U.S. Women’s Open
1951 (9) Ponte Verde Beach Women’s Open, Tampa Women’s Open, Lakewood Weathervane, Richmond Women’s Open, Valley Open, Meridian Hills Weathervane, All American Open, World Championship, Women’s Texas Open
1952 (5) Miami Weathervane, Titleholders Championship, Bakersfield Open (tied with Marlene Hagge, Betty Jameson and Betsy Rawls), Fresno Open, Women’s Texas Open
1953 (2) Sarasota Open, Babe Zaharias Open
1954 (5) Serbin Open, Sarasota Open, Damon Runyan Cancer Fund Tournament, U.S. Women’s Open, All American Open
1955 (2) Tampa Open, Peach Blossom Open
LPGA Majors are shown in bold.
[edit]Other wins
1940 Women’s Texas Open
1945 Women’s Texas Open
1946 All American Open, Women’s Texas Open
1947 Hardscrabble Open
1951 Orlando Florida 2-Ball (with George Bolesta)
1952 Orlando Mixed (with Al Besselink)
[edit]Major championships
[edit]Wins (10)
Year Championship Winning Score Margin Runner-up
1940 Women’s Western Open 5 & 4 Mrs. Russell Mann
1944 Women’s Western Open 7 & 5 Dorothy Germain (a)
1945 Women’s Western Open 4 & 2 Dorothy Germain (a)
1947 Titleholders Championship +4 (78-81-71-74=304 5 strokes Dorothy Kirby (a)
1948 U.S. Women’s Open E (75-72-75-78=300) 8 strokes Betty Hicks
1950 Titleholders Championship +10 (72-78-73-75=298) 8 strokes Claire Doran (a)
1950 U.S. Women’s Open −9 (75-76-70-70=291) 9 strokes Betsy Rawls (a)
1950 Women’s Western Open 5 & 3 Peggy Kirk
1952 Titleholders Championship +11 (74-73-73-79=299) 7 strokes Betsy Rawls
1954 U.S. Women’s Open +3 (72-71-73-75=291) 12 strokes Betty Hicks
[edit]See also
Golfers with most LPGA Tour wins
Golfers with most LPGA major championship wins
[edit]Notes and references
^ a b c d e “Didrikson was a woman ahead of her time”, undated feature article at ESPN. Companion article refers to December 3, 2004 as upcoming broadcast date. Accessed September 9, 2007.
^ a b Van Natta Jr., Dave (June 2011). Wonder Girl: The Magnificent Sporting Life of Babe Didrikson Zaharias. Little, Brown and Company. ISBN 978-0316056991.
^ “Record of Achievement”. babedidriksonzaharias.org. Retrieved 2007-04-22.
^ “Babe Didrikson Gets Trouncing at Billiards”. San Antonio Express (San Antonio, Texas): p. 9. January 16, 1933.
^ a b Charles McGrath (1996). “Most Valuable Player”. New York Times Magazine. Archived from the original on May 16, 2007. Retrieved 2007-04-22.
^ a b Brent Kelley. “Babe Didrikson Zaharias”. About.com. Retrieved 2008-07-23.
^ “Full Career Biography Babe Zaharias” (PDF). LPGA Tour. Retrieved 2007-04-22.
^ “Babe Zaharias Dies; Athlete Had Cancer”. New York Times Magazine. 1956-09-28. Archived from the original on May 24, 2007. Retrieved 2007-04-22.
^ Yocom, Guy (July 2000). “50 Greatest Golfers of All Time: And What They Taught Us”. Golf Digest. Retrieved 2007-12-05.
^ a b Babe Zaharias fact sheet, Babe Zaharias Memorial, Beaumont, Texas
^ “Babe Zaharias Golf Course History”. Babe Zaharias Golf Course. Archived from the original on February 2, 2007. Retrieved 2007-03-25.
^ Earle Marsh and Tim Brooks, The Complete Directory to Prime-Time Network and Cable Television Shows, 1946- Present, p. 237
^ Heather Aimee (2007-01-26). “Lesbians Take to the Stage”. LOGOonline.com. Retrieved 2007-04-22.
^ Kieth Niebuhr (2007-06-26). "Book to be focus on leg
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Since no one will read the long paragraphs, check out Jim Thorpe (he, unlike Ali, was a marine), Babe Didrickson (they created the LPGA for her AND she was so good they didn’t let her compete in all events.), and Greg Louganis, the best diver of all time.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Since no one will read the long paragraphs, check out Jim Thorpe (he, unlike Ali, was a marine),
[/quote]
Thorpe, unlike Ali, was white.
Watch yourself there woman.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Since no one will read the long paragraphs, check out Jim Thorpe (he, unlike Ali, was a marine),
[/quote]
Thorpe, unlike Ali, was white.
Watch yourself there woman.[/quote]
You are beyond wrong O’Hooligan.
Thorpe was a Native American. Ali was an asshole that went from Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali when his card was punched.
Jim Thorpe grew up on a reservation. Jim Thorpe is Running Brave.
How sad you so not know this.
My dad is a golden gloves/marine corps boxer. I have grown up with this stuff.
Ali sucks tit because he converted to suck on the teat of America but not fight for her.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Chess hero Bobby Fischer defeating Boris Spassky in 1972. This was during the Cold War, so this spoke symbolic volumes to the world. [/quote]
The Summit Series in '72(before my time).
I don’t know if there is a sports moment in Canada bigger???
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Since no one will read the long paragraphs, check out Jim Thorpe (he, unlike Ali, was a marine),
[/quote]
Thorpe, unlike Ali, was white.
Watch yourself there woman.[/quote]
You are beyond wrong O’Hooligan.
Thorpe was a Native American. Ali was an asshole that went from Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali when his card was punched.
Jim Thorpe grew up on a reservation. Jim Thorpe is Running Brave.
How sad you so not know this.
My dad is a golden gloves/marine corps boxer. I have grown up with this stuff.
Ali sucks tit because he converted to suck on the teat of America but not fight for her.
[/quote]
None of that is accurate. Cassius Clay both made his Nation of Islam affiliation and religious beliefs public after his first fight with Sonny Liston. He soon changed his name to Muhammad Ali. He then continued to fight and lost popularity with mainstream America because of his affiliation with the Nation of Islam. Instead of being drafted and given some meaningless position in the Army where he wouldn’t have had to take part in any actual combat he refused to serve in a war he didn’t support because of the politics of the time. During his ban he lost years off of his prime, more than what he would have lost in the Army and lost his income for those years as well. Yet despite the consequences Ali refused to be drafted and publicly spoke out against the war.
Muhammad Ali might have been unpatriotic but he’s no coward.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Chess hero Bobby Fischer defeating Boris Spassky in 1972. This was during the Cold War, so this spoke symbolic volumes to the world. [/quote]
That’s what got me playing chess.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Since no one will read the long paragraphs, check out Jim Thorpe (he, unlike Ali, was a marine),
[/quote]
Thorpe, unlike Ali, was white.
Watch yourself there woman.[/quote]
You are beyond wrong O’Hooligan.
Thorpe was a Native American. Ali was an asshole that went from Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali when his card was punched.
Jim Thorpe grew up on a reservation. Jim Thorpe is Running Brave.
How sad you so not know this.
My dad is a golden gloves/marine corps boxer. I have grown up with this stuff.
Ali sucks tit because he converted to suck on the teat of America but not fight for her.
[/quote]
None of that is accurate. Cassius Clay both made his Nation of Islam affiliation and religious beliefs public after his first fight with Sonny Liston. He soon changed his name to Muhammad Ali. He then continued to fight and lost popularity with mainstream America because of his affiliation with the Nation of Islam. Instead of being drafted and given some meaningless position in the Army where he wouldn’t have had to take part in any actual combat he refused to serve in a war he didn’t support because of the politics of the time. During his ban he lost years off of his prime, more than what he would have lost in the Army and lost his income for those years as well. Yet despite the consequences Ali refused to be drafted and publicly spoke out against the war.
Muhammad Ali might have been unpatriotic but he’s no coward. [/quote]
Bulllshit
He only decided to publicly proclaim this crap AFTER he decided to deny the draft.
he is a coward.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Since no one will read the long paragraphs, check out Jim Thorpe (he, unlike Ali, was a marine),
[/quote]
Thorpe, unlike Ali, was white.
Watch yourself there woman.[/quote]
You are beyond wrong O’Hooligan.
Thorpe was a Native American. Ali was an asshole that went from Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali when his card was punched.
Jim Thorpe grew up on a reservation. Jim Thorpe is Running Brave.
How sad you so not know this.
My dad is a golden gloves/marine corps boxer. I have grown up with this stuff.
Ali sucks tit because he converted to suck on the teat of America but not fight for her.
[/quote]
None of that is accurate. Cassius Clay both made his Nation of Islam affiliation and religious beliefs public after his first fight with Sonny Liston. He soon changed his name to Muhammad Ali. He then continued to fight and lost popularity with mainstream America because of his affiliation with the Nation of Islam. Instead of being drafted and given some meaningless position in the Army where he wouldn’t have had to take part in any actual combat he refused to serve in a war he didn’t support because of the politics of the time. During his ban he lost years off of his prime, more than what he would have lost in the Army and lost his income for those years as well. Yet despite the consequences Ali refused to be drafted and publicly spoke out against the war.
Muhammad Ali might have been unpatriotic but he’s no coward. [/quote]
Bulllshit
He only decided to publicly proclaim this crap AFTER he decided to deny the draft.
he is a coward.
[/quote]
“Because of the unexpected (if not controversial) ending of the first bout, boxing authorities ordered a second bout, this time with Cassius Clay (now Muhammad Ali) as the defending world champion and Liston as challenger.”
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:19595
That’s in 1965 and he refused to be drafted in 1967.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Bulllshit
He only decided to publicly proclaim this crap AFTER he decided to deny the draft.
he is a coward.
[/quote]
He didn’t want to fight for a racist country for a stupid war.
Ali didn’t want up like this:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Bulllshit
He only decided to publicly proclaim this crap AFTER he decided to deny the draft.
he is a coward.
[/quote]
Sure… and he waited until he was drafted to convert.
So you know, my dad was a boxer in the marines waiting for his chance with Cassius Clay,.
Well at least ELVIS was braver than Casssius Clay.
loser.