Just putting it out there that Jim Thorpe played Baseball, football, basketball, track amd was even a ball room dancer. He even mowed over future to be president Dwight Eisenhower in a football game.
Who can even compete except for Babe Didrickson… a woman who they actually forbade to allow to enter in events because she would win?
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Just to put it out there.l… Elvis was the man and went ahead and entered the miliatary unlike the cowardly Muhammad Ali. What a joke.
Although Elvis was not put in actual fire fights he did visit many military encampments. The same that would have been offered to the coward Muhammad Ali… who instead ran …
Ah well… now we can look back and think he was the greatest although that was so far from the truth. Did he hold the most titles… nope…
ah well… a draft dodger is not someone I care to know about.
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Jim Thorpe? Get the fuck outta here with that ancient bull shit.
Muhammed Ali is where it’s at. The greatest of all time. Float like the butterfly sting like the mutherfuckin’ bee.
Let me say, that’s disgraceful how you’re calling him a coward, do you see what he has been reduced to today? It breaks everyones’ heart to see this guy, who in hay days was the most gifted and charismatic athlete of his time, not being able to walk and talk properly.
How can you call someone a coward for fighting for their religious beliefs (he wasn’t the only one) and now fighting a fight against a horrendous disease, which he will inevitably lose. He is playing the ultimate rope-a-dope where his opponent is not going to get tired.
Do I need to mention that he won a Olympic gold medal for his country.
Anyway, back on topic, I don’t know how relevant this is but what was that moment when an American athlete did something controversial after he won the Gold medal (something in track and field, maybe 100/200 m). I think it was in Munich around the second world war or soon before/after. I dunno maybe I’m just mixing up some shit in my head but I vaguely remember something like this.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Just to put it out there.l… Elvis was the man and went ahead and entered the miliatary unlike the cowardly Muhammad Ali. What a joke.
Although Elvis was not put in actual fire fights he did visit many military encampments. The same that would have been offered to the coward Muhammad Ali… who instead ran …
Ah well… now we can look back and think he was the greatest although that was so far from the truth. Did he hold the most titles… nope…
ah well… a draft dodger is not someone I care to know about.
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Jim Thorpe? Get the fuck outta here with that ancient bull shit.
Muhammed Ali is where it’s at. The greatest of all time. Float like the butterfly sting like the mutherfuckin’ bee.
Let me say, that’s disgraceful how you’re calling him a coward, do you see what he has been reduced to today? It breaks everyones’ heart to see this guy, who in hay days was the most gifted and charismatic athlete of his time, not being able to walk and talk properly. How can you call someone a coward for fighting for their religious beliefs (he wasn’t the only one) and now fighting a fight against a horrendous disease, which he will inevitably lose. He is playing the ultimate rope-a-dope where his opponent is not going to get tired.
Do I need to mention that he won a Olympic gold medal for his country.
Anyway, back on topic, I don’t know how relevant this is but what was that moment when an American athlete did something controversial after he won the Gold medal (something in track and field, maybe 100/200 m). I think it was in Munich around the second world war or soon before/after. I dunno maybe I’m just mixing up some shit in my head but I vaguely remember something like this.
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You are probably thinking of Jesse Owens during the Olympic Games in Germany, I think in 1936.
well, this thread got sidetracked.
it’s about best sports MOMENT, not athlete or any political BS
It would have been Chael Sonnen vs Anderson Silva, if Chael had not succumbed to that dastardly Brazilians sneaky and underhanded jiu jitsu tactics.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Just to put it out there.l… Elvis was the man and went ahead and entered the miliatary unlike the cowardly Muhammad Ali. What a joke.
Although Elvis was not put in actual fire fights he did visit many military encampments. The same that would have been offered to the coward Muhammad Ali… who instead ran …
Ah well… now we can look back and think he was the greatest although that was so far from the truth. Did he hold the most titles… nope…
ah well… a draft dodger is not someone I care to know about.
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Jim Thorpe? Get the fuck outta here with that ancient bull shit.
Muhammed Ali is where it’s at. The greatest of all time. Float like the butterfly sting like the mutherfuckin’ bee.
Let me say, that’s disgraceful how you’re calling him a coward, do you see what he has been reduced to today? It breaks everyones’ heart to see this guy, who in hay days was the most gifted and charismatic athlete of his time, not being able to walk and talk properly. How can you call someone a coward for fighting for their religious beliefs (he wasn’t the only one) and now fighting a fight against a horrendous disease, which he will inevitably lose. He is playing the ultimate rope-a-dope where his opponent is not going to get tired.
Do I need to mention that he won a Olympic gold medal for his country.
Anyway, back on topic, I don’t know how relevant this is but what was that moment when an American athlete did something controversial after he won the Gold medal (something in track and field, maybe 100/200 m). I think it was in Munich around the second world war or soon before/after. I dunno maybe I’m just mixing up some shit in my head but I vaguely remember something like this.
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You are probably thinking of Jesse Owens during the Olympic Games in Germany, I think in 1936.
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Yes you’re right. I mixed Owen’s victory (1936) with the Black Power Salute (in 1968).
Billy Mills ran the 10K a full 50 seconds faster then his PR in 1964 to win the Gold.
He was the only American to ever win gold in the 10K @ the Olympics.
I would contend the greatest sports moments would be when an underdog performs beyond their capability/overcomes a seemingly impossible deficit and wins.
1980 Lake Placid, USA vs Russia in hockey is the perfect example.
So is Mills, a virtual unknown, beating Clarke the World Record holder.
I still cant get over waging war=successful American athlete. I think the '80 Lake Placid USA vs USSR hockey game is definitely up there
On a serious note:
This might not be the greatest Greatest American Sports Moment of All Time, but it’s my favorite:
The dude he dunked over is 7’2. Sick.
I think it should be mentioned Secretariat at the Belmont, 32 lengths IIRC. watching the ESPN classic of him on the home stretch gives me chills every time.
I’m not horse racing fan, but phenomenal.
Ben Johnson - 1988 Olympics
Canadians suck so bad they have to dope up to beat us.
As a dude not from the US and commenting on things I’ve seen personally in my lifetime, which aren’t too many compared to some other people here the greatest American sports moment in my eyes would be probably be Michael Phelps at the 2008 Olympics. His 11 gold medals that year probably solidifies him as one of, if not, the greatest Olympian(s) ever. Him and his performance was and were basically a personification of the grandeur embodied by America.
Sometimes it ain’t just about winning, it’s about dominating.
Ali - greatest of all time.
He was either “that good” or had one of the best PR machines in all boxing - either way…
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Ali - greatest of all time.
He was either “that good” or had one of the best PR machines in all boxing - either way…[/quote]
As I was trying to explain before, Ali was not the greatest boxer of all time. Sugar Ray Robinson was better, Joe Frazier was his foil… there were better fighters out there, and certainly ones that could beat him. But he was among the fastest heavyweights I’ve ever seen, and one of the toughest. He could lead with that right hand like no one has, and knock you out with it going backwards. His chin was also severely underrated.
His fight with Foreman was the pinnacle of that - knocking out the man that nobody thought he could defeat.
However, what merits mentioning was his personality. Not only did he defeat the fighters that everyone thought would kill him - Liston, Foreman, Frazier twice, but he made that fame turn him into something that young black Americans could look up to - somebody who didn’t give a shit about the Establishment, someone who wouldn’t bow to the government when they wanted to send him to an unjust war, someone who was willing to give up his illustrious career and go to prison, in his prime, because of his principles, someone who brought race right to the forefront in a sport that still has white people at the top and black people fighting for their entertainment.
Ali became more than a man - he became an ideal, a symbol of the movement for freedom that had eluded black America for so long. He was the right man, at the right time, and there’s a reason that he’s so revered. He’s an absolute legend, and not just because of his abilities in the ring.
And, as you can see at 2:45 in the above video, if you were arrogant enough to not respect his name change, he would punish you in the ring. Nothing more badass than watching him beat someone down while yelling, “What’s my name?”
And he was his own PR machine, as these videos show… that man could talk.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Lake Placid. 1980.
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I’d agree.
The move Jordan did in “Sometimes I dream that he is Me” Commercial where he switched from the Right to Left Hand over Magic Johnson. That cemented Jordan’s legacy and began the peak that Jordan’s fame held over the next 5 years. It allowed the NBA to make a huge international presence, a move where a few years later American NBA professionals were allowed in the Olympics. He became the most famous person in the world since Ali, and took Nike and the NBA to multi billion dollar enterprises.
Might be a Tie with Jesse Owens.
One was more of a “Fuck You”, the other was at the opposite end of the spectrum a “Can’t we all get along”
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I never said that Jim Thorpe wasn’t a better athlete. What I was pointing out is that you push the “marine” shit as if it means a flying fuck when it comes to sports or who actually is the better athlete.
You created a red herring for yourself and then went after it. I’ve said nothing of the sort.
I’ve never even said that Ali was the greatest boxer of all time - I don’t think he was, if you’re talking strictly skills. But in ability to transcend the sport, and make his fame into something much more powerful and meaningful than being “just another boxer,” well, Ali took that to another level - one that no one has been able to emulate since. [/quote]
Both were incredible athletes . I’d still say lake placid 1980 takes it , but those two were incredible .
What an asshole, of course being a Marine means a lot more than being a draft dodger.
He was never a greatest moment. Stop with the kool aid. It sucks that you come across as this in the know current reporter but you suck the teat as such a loser.
ah well
If you ever want to research an actual American Hero and American Sport Legend
Try Babe Didrickson or Jim Thorpe
Stop with your Boxing, those folks are one sport wonders.
How about you see if Jim Thorpe or Jesse Owens ever boxed?
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First minute. First round.
‘Get up and fight, sucker!’
Truly amazing video. Loved the part between 2.45 and 3.20 mins.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Truly amazing video. Loved the part between 2.45 and 3.20 mins.
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“Why don’t you call me my name man? My name is Muhammad Ali, and you will announce it right there in the center of that ring after the fight if you don’t do it now… actin’ just like an old Uncle Tom, another Floyd Patterson…I’m gonna punish you.”
And then he beat that guy senseless, but would not knock him out because he wanted to humiliate him for that.
Legend. Absolute legend.
Here’s another cool one when he’s training for Foreman. He shit talks the entire time he’s training, but my favorite part is at 1:50.
