Gratuitous Use of the N Word?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I disagree, it should be fixed, and we shouldn’t just lay around and accept it. And yes, there are a lot of experiences behind my view.[/quote]

Hey…maybe you and a few thousand friends could MARCH about it in Washington?[/quote]

Go ahead trivialize my experience. Trivialize racial prejudice destroying people’s live. I just hope you guys tell black people they need to just get over wrongs done to them too.

Pretty dumb fucking words for a guy that still supports affirmative action because it makes things “more fair”.[/quote]

But…we marched for Civil Rights (“We meaning many blacks and whites and jews and no doubt others”) because racism was an institutionalized socially accepted way of life that was holding back the progress of an entire race of people.

If your plight is the same as you keep eluding to, then why not do the same?[/quote]

If the justification of “worse things have happened in the past” were justification for unjust circumstances, you should be happy just not being a slave. Why bother trying to get the right to vote? Then, why bother trying to get equal pay or equal treatment under the law (something not yet achieved).

And Affirmative action is institutionalized racism. What is going on currently in those posts I made is a “socially accepted way of life”.

And I never made the claim that it was the same. What I did claim was that what is going on is wrong. Rather than address the right and wrong of it (the actual issue) you choose to demean and childishly claim, “we had it worse”. How old are you even? Where you actually involved in the LA riots? Did you actually live under the jim crowe laws? Did you march for your rights? If not you need to STFU with all this “we” BS. Black people my age no more lived that than I did. [/quote]

Uh, I didn’t claim we had it worse. I specifically wrote that if it is that bad, then why not march about it. It apparently isn’t that bad from what you just wrote so if it isn’t bad enough for you to organize and publicly protest against, then why is it such an issue for you?

That sure was a whole lot of emotion considering what I actually wrote.

Are you crying right now?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, when the hell have you seen me say anything about affirmative action other than that there definitely was a need for it and whether there still is needs to be evaluated and considered?

How does that sounds like “still supports affirmative action”? This country was really fucking racist up until the mid 80’s. This is a shock to you?[/quote]

I remember you supporting AA even today in another thread. If I missremember I’m sorry, I can go look for the thread.

However, The country is still really fucking racist and AA is still wrong. You can’t be both for and against institutionalized racism.[/quote]

Dude, I am well aware of what I’ve written here. Either go find a specific quote to debate or quit making shit up. I just told you what my response has been on that issue and you are now going to tell me I’m making that up?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I disagree, it should be fixed, and we shouldn’t just lay around and accept it. And yes, there are a lot of experiences behind my view.[/quote]

Hey…maybe you and a few thousand friends could MARCH about it in Washington?[/quote]

Go ahead trivialize my experience. Trivialize racial prejudice destroying people’s live. I just hope you guys tell black people they need to just get over wrongs done to them too.

Pretty dumb fucking words for a guy that still supports affirmative action because it makes things “more fair”.[/quote]

But…we marched for Civil Rights (“We meaning many blacks and whites and jews and no doubt others”) because racism was an institutionalized socially accepted way of life that was holding back the progress of an entire race of people.

If your plight is the same as you keep eluding to, then why not do the same?[/quote]

If the justification of “worse things have happened in the past” were justification for unjust circumstances, you should be happy just not being a slave. Why bother trying to get the right to vote? Then, why bother trying to get equal pay or equal treatment under the law (something not yet achieved).

And Affirmative action is institutionalized racism. What is going on currently in those posts I made is a “socially accepted way of life”.

And I never made the claim that it was the same. What I did claim was that what is going on is wrong. Rather than address the right and wrong of it (the actual issue) you choose to demean and childishly claim, “we had it worse”. How old are you even? Where you actually involved in the LA riots? Did you actually live under the jim crowe laws? Did you march for your rights? If not you need to STFU with all this “we” BS. Black people my age no more lived that than I did. [/quote]

Uh, I didn’t claim we had it worse. I specifically wrote that if it is that bad, then why not march about it. It apparently isn’t that bad from what you just wrote so if it isn’t bad enough for you to organize and publicly protest against, then why is it such an issue for you?

That sure was a whole lot of emotion considering what I actually wrote.

Are you crying right now?[/quote]

ROFL!!!

“Are you crying right now?”

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I disagree, it should be fixed, and we shouldn’t just lay around and accept it. And yes, there are a lot of experiences behind my view.[/quote]

Hey…maybe you and a few thousand friends could MARCH about it in Washington?[/quote]

Go ahead trivialize my experience. Trivialize racial prejudice destroying people’s live. I just hope you guys tell black people they need to just get over wrongs done to them too.

Pretty dumb fucking words for a guy that still supports affirmative action because it makes things “more fair”.[/quote]

But…we marched for Civil Rights (“We meaning many blacks and whites and jews and no doubt others”) because racism was an institutionalized socially accepted way of life that was holding back the progress of an entire race of people.

If your plight is the same as you keep eluding to, then why not do the same?[/quote]

If the justification of “worse things have happened in the past” were justification for unjust circumstances, you should be happy just not being a slave. Why bother trying to get the right to vote? Then, why bother trying to get equal pay or equal treatment under the law (something not yet achieved).

And Affirmative action is institutionalized racism. What is going on currently in those posts I made is a “socially accepted way of life”.

And I never made the claim that it was the same. What I did claim was that what is going on is wrong. Rather than address the right and wrong of it (the actual issue) you choose to demean and childishly claim, “we had it worse”. How old are you even? Where you actually involved in the LA riots? Did you actually live under the jim crowe laws? Did you march for your rights? If not you need to STFU with all this “we” BS. Black people my age no more lived that than I did. [/quote]

Uh, I didn’t claim we had it worse. I specifically wrote that if it is that bad, then why not march about it. It apparently isn’t that bad from what you just wrote so if it isn’t bad enough for you to organize and publicly protest against, then why is it such an issue for you?

That sure was a whole lot of emotion considering what I actually wrote.

Are you crying right now?[/quote]

Losing jobs over race isn’t that bad?

The better question, is would you march with me?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I disagree, it should be fixed, and we shouldn’t just lay around and accept it. And yes, there are a lot of experiences behind my view.[/quote]

Hey…maybe you and a few thousand friends could MARCH about it in Washington?[/quote]

Go ahead trivialize my experience. Trivialize racial prejudice destroying people’s live. I just hope you guys tell black people they need to just get over wrongs done to them too.

Pretty dumb fucking words for a guy that still supports affirmative action because it makes things “more fair”.[/quote]

But…we marched for Civil Rights (“We meaning many blacks and whites and jews and no doubt others”) because racism was an institutionalized socially accepted way of life that was holding back the progress of an entire race of people.

If your plight is the same as you keep eluding to, then why not do the same?[/quote]

If the justification of “worse things have happened in the past” were justification for unjust circumstances, you should be happy just not being a slave. Why bother trying to get the right to vote? Then, why bother trying to get equal pay or equal treatment under the law (something not yet achieved).

And Affirmative action is institutionalized racism. What is going on currently in those posts I made is a “socially accepted way of life”.

And I never made the claim that it was the same. What I did claim was that what is going on is wrong. Rather than address the right and wrong of it (the actual issue) you choose to demean and childishly claim, “we had it worse”. How old are you even? Where you actually involved in the LA riots? Did you actually live under the jim crowe laws? Did you march for your rights? If not you need to STFU with all this “we” BS. Black people my age no more lived that than I did. [/quote]

Uh, I didn’t claim we had it worse. I specifically wrote that if it is that bad, then why not march about it. It apparently isn’t that bad from what you just wrote so if it isn’t bad enough for you to organize and publicly protest against, then why is it such an issue for you?

That sure was a whole lot of emotion considering what I actually wrote.

Are you crying right now?[/quote]

Losing jobs over race isn’t that bad?

The better question, is would you march with me?[/quote]

Wait, people are losing jobs for saying NIGGER at work…and you are claiming they shouldn’t?

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From the affirmative action thread:

“For us to continue, possibly the “quota” aspect of AA needs to be removed…but that isn’t all there is to Affirmative Action which one of the other posters confirmed.”

https://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/affirmative_action?id=545125&pageNo=0

Your stance changed, or you need to clarify which parts you still support.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I disagree, it should be fixed, and we shouldn’t just lay around and accept it. And yes, there are a lot of experiences behind my view.[/quote]

Hey…maybe you and a few thousand friends could MARCH about it in Washington?[/quote]

Go ahead trivialize my experience. Trivialize racial prejudice destroying people’s live. I just hope you guys tell black people they need to just get over wrongs done to them too.

Pretty dumb fucking words for a guy that still supports affirmative action because it makes things “more fair”.[/quote]

But…we marched for Civil Rights (“We meaning many blacks and whites and jews and no doubt others”) because racism was an institutionalized socially accepted way of life that was holding back the progress of an entire race of people.

If your plight is the same as you keep eluding to, then why not do the same?[/quote]

If the justification of “worse things have happened in the past” were justification for unjust circumstances, you should be happy just not being a slave. Why bother trying to get the right to vote? Then, why bother trying to get equal pay or equal treatment under the law (something not yet achieved).

And Affirmative action is institutionalized racism. What is going on currently in those posts I made is a “socially accepted way of life”.

And I never made the claim that it was the same. What I did claim was that what is going on is wrong. Rather than address the right and wrong of it (the actual issue) you choose to demean and childishly claim, “we had it worse”. How old are you even? Where you actually involved in the LA riots? Did you actually live under the jim crowe laws? Did you march for your rights? If not you need to STFU with all this “we” BS. Black people my age no more lived that than I did. [/quote]

Uh, I didn’t claim we had it worse. I specifically wrote that if it is that bad, then why not march about it. It apparently isn’t that bad from what you just wrote so if it isn’t bad enough for you to organize and publicly protest against, then why is it such an issue for you?

That sure was a whole lot of emotion considering what I actually wrote.

Are you crying right now?[/quote]

Losing jobs over race isn’t that bad?

The better question, is would you march with me?[/quote]

Wait, people are losing jobs for saying NIGGER at work…and you are claiming they shouldn’t?[/quote]

Since its obvious you didn’t read the article I posted, the lady was fired for using the word in the context of discussing the social taboos around the word. Like how black comedian use it all the time. “Black guys use it all the time. Turn on HBO, listen to a black comic, and all you hear is nigger, nigger, nigger.”

No, in that context she shouldn’t have been fired. Regardless, all people should be held to the same standard as I’ve mentioned numerous times and give a specific example of.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
From the affirmative action thread:

“For us to continue, possibly the “quota” aspect of AA needs to be removed…but that isn’t all there is to Affirmative Action which one of the other posters confirmed.”

https://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/affirmative_action?id=545125&pageNo=0

Your stance changed, or you need to clarify which parts you still support.

[/quote]

You have a quote from 2005 where I wrote that aspects need to be changed…and this sounds like “still supports Affirmative Action”?

LOL.

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“For us to continue, possibly the “quota” aspect of AA needs to be removed…but that isn’t all there is to Affirmative Action which one of the other posters confirmed.”

I couldn’t find the original thread that I remember, But this is what I remember of your stance. Perhaps some bold will help.

Are you now saying that you no longer support any form of AA?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“For us to continue, possibly the “quota” aspect of AA needs to be removed…but that isn’t all there is to Affirmative Action which one of the other posters confirmed.”

I couldn’t find the original thread that I remember, But this is what I remember of your stance. Perhaps some bold will help.

Are you now saying that you no longer support any form of AA?[/quote]

I haven’t even considered the aspect of affirmative action in years because it is of no concern to me. I would have to research relevant issues to even hold a current stance about it because it matters NONE AT ALL to me.

When I finally get around to giving enough of a shit about it to look into it, then I will tell you my current stance.

I have to say, looking for a thread half a decade old where I still wrote that aspects needed to be changed to act as if this is a “current stance that I still support affirmative action” is pretty fucking lame.

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[quote]lambchop4life wrote:
This debate will end if people take my advice and apply it to real world application.
Just tell everyone you know hey just stop using the word period, no matter what the color of your skin is. A racist word is a racist word coming out anyone mouth, it does not matter if it ends in an “A” or “ER”. I don’t buy that bull crap kinship explanation either,its a derogatory word period. [/quote]

No it won’t. You can’t request that everybody immediately stops using an offensive word and expect it to vanish. Language doesn’t work like that; it is constantly shifting and developing (our vocabulary just twenty years ago is markedly different to that we use today).

The ‘n-word’ was originally not a derogatory term at all, but became part of a systematic process of dehumanizing African natives in order to justify enslaving them in the first place, which included language (specifically that one word, which was deliberately intended to rip the individuality out of Africans and reduce them to a skin color), so-called ‘eyewitness’ accounts that portrayed them as jungle-dwelling savages - which fly in the face of early descriptions from benign travellers who wrote of bustling towns with vast roads and the existence of sophisticated artwork like the Benin bronzes - and last, but not least, religion (namely, Christianity, which was twisted by white people to convince other whites to do whatever they pleased with African natives as whites, being white, were somehow closer to God.

This attitude still persists today with the KKK/white supremacists and nazis/ neo-nazis maintaining that they have a God-given right to do what they please, even though ‘having a right to do something’ to them means inflicting violence at every given opportunity. Which doesn’t reflect very well on them as Christians really…

We also have black Christians, so either they are self-hating racists, or the racists hiding behind religion aren’t very clever…

Language, religion, propaganda. None of these worked alone but operated in concert, so it’s not as easy as saying ‘just stop saying nigger and it’ll go away’ because it is part of a much bigger and more nefarious plan put into effect years ago by the white commercial opportunists-cum-slave traders - one which will still exist even if we could erase the word…and we can’t.

When a new word enters the English language, or the meaning of an existing word changes, it usually comes from slang. Slang is used by lower classes, and rarely by the more privileged members of society.

Here comes the big reveal: slave traders hijacked the word nigger in order to get slaves to trade: slaves were forcibly taken out of one society and put in another. They were labelled savages and became the lowest level of their new society. Over time, Africans became African-Americans, developed their own identity and…slang.

Black civil rights movements in the 70s reappropriated the word as a term of solidarity (synonymous with ‘brother’ as they shared a common heritage).

So ‘nigger’ in a sense, is very much a term of kinship (the Afrikaans equivalent ‘Kaffir’- which was also originally a neutral word, still maintains a decidedly derogatory meaning).

The problem is the n-word is still in a state of transition: it didn’t become a derogatory word overnight, so it isn’t going to lose that meaning overnight.

Don’t get me started on Ayn Rand.

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Both of you guys just need to get laid.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]lambchop4life wrote:
This debate will end if people take my advice and apply it to real world application.
Just tell everyone you know hey just stop using the word period, no matter what the color of your skin is. A racist word is a racist word coming out anyone mouth, it does not matter if it ends in an “A” or “ER”. I don’t buy that bull crap kinship explanation either,its a derogatory word period. [/quote]

No it won’t. You can’t request that everybody immediately stops using an offensive word and expect it to vanish. Language doesn’t work like that; it is constantly shifting and developing (our vocabulary just twenty years ago is markedly different to that we use today).

The ‘n-word’ was originally not a derogatory term at all, but became part of a systematic process of dehumanizing African natives in order to justify enslaving them in the first place, which included language (specifically that one word, which was deliberately intended to rip the individuality out of Africans and reduce them to a skin color), so-called ‘eyewitness’ accounts that portrayed them as jungle-dwelling savages - which fly in the face of early descriptions from benign travellers who wrote of bustling towns with vast roads and the existence of sophisticated artwork like the Benin bronzes - and last, but not least, religion (namely, Christianity, which was twisted by white people to convince other whites to do whatever they pleased with African natives as whites, being white, were somehow closer to God.

This attitude still persists today with the KKK/white supremacists and nazis/ neo-nazis maintaining that they have a God-given right to do what they please, even though ‘having a right to do something’ to them means inflicting violence at every given opportunity. Which doesn’t reflect very well on them as Christians really…

We also have black Christians, so either they are self-hating racists, or the racists hiding behind religion aren’t very clever…

Language, religion, propaganda. None of these worked alone but operated in concert, so it’s not as easy as saying ‘just stop saying nigger and it’ll go away’ because it is part of a much bigger and more nefarious plan put into effect years ago by the white commercial opportunists-cum-slave traders - one which will still exist even if we could erase the word…and we can’t.

When a new word enters the English language, or the meaning of an existing word changes, it usually comes from slang. Slang is used by lower classes, and rarely by the more privileged members of society.

Here comes the big reveal: slave traders hijacked the word nigger in order to get slaves to trade: slaves were forcibly taken out of one society and put in another. They were labelled savages and became the lowest level of their new society. Over time, Africans became African-Americans, developed their own identity and…slang.

Black civil rights movements in the 70s reappropriated the word as a term of solidarity (synonymous with ‘brother’ as they shared a common heritage).

So ‘nigger’ in a sense, is very much a term of kinship (the Afrikaans equivalent ‘Kaffir’- which was also originally a neutral word, still maintains a decidedly derogatory meaning).

The problem is the n-word is still in a state of transition: it didn’t become a derogatory word overnight, so it isn’t going to lose that meaning overnight.

Don’t get me started on Ayn Rand.

[/quote]

Good post.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“For us to continue, possibly the “quota” aspect of AA needs to be removed…but that isn’t all there is to Affirmative Action which one of the other posters confirmed.”

I couldn’t find the original thread that I remember, But this is what I remember of your stance. Perhaps some bold will help.

Are you now saying that you no longer support any form of AA?[/quote]

I haven’t even considered the aspect of affirmative action in years because it is of no concern to me. I would have to research relevant issues to even hold a current stance about it because it matters NONE AT ALL to me.

When I finally get around to giving enough of a shit about it to look into it, then I will tell you my current stance.

I have to say, looking for a thread half a decade old where I still wrote that aspects needed to be changed to act as if this is a “current stance that I still support affirmative action” is pretty fucking lame.[/quote]

I went to Google and searched affirmative action and professor x that was literally the first link I clicked.

So, you no longer care about racial issues. Ok. Then why are you in on this thread. At one point you are repeating over and over and over about suffering consequences for using a word, and now you don’t care about racial laws and the right and wrong of the situation because it “doesn’t affect you”?

How about this big guy, You’ve already made mention no one you know uses the damned word, so how about you stop having an opinion on it and GTFO.

Me using a silly word doesn’t affect you, so how about you keep your “be prepared to suffer consequences” opinion to yourself.

How an intelligent human being could somehow rationalize not caring because certain injustices “don’t affect me” is beyond me. People like you are the reason so many things in history took so long to make right.

Fine, you don’t give a shit about white people. Any other wisdom you’d like to share?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“For us to continue, possibly the “quota” aspect of AA needs to be removed…but that isn’t all there is to Affirmative Action which one of the other posters confirmed.”

I couldn’t find the original thread that I remember, But this is what I remember of your stance. Perhaps some bold will help.

Are you now saying that you no longer support any form of AA?[/quote]

I haven’t even considered the aspect of affirmative action in years because it is of no concern to me. I would have to research relevant issues to even hold a current stance about it because it matters NONE AT ALL to me.

When I finally get around to giving enough of a shit about it to look into it, then I will tell you my current stance.

I have to say, looking for a thread half a decade old where I still wrote that aspects needed to be changed to act as if this is a “current stance that I still support affirmative action” is pretty fucking lame.[/quote]

I went to Google and searched affirmative action and professor x that was literally the first link I clicked.

So, you no longer care about racial issues. Ok. Then why are you in on this thread. At one point you are repeating over and over and over about suffering consequences for using a word, and now you don’t care about racial laws and the right and wrong of the situation because it “doesn’t affect you”?

How about this big guy, You’ve already made mention no one you know uses the damned word, so how about you stop having an opinion on it and GTFO.

Me using a silly word doesn’t affect you, so how about you keep your “be prepared to suffer consequences” opinion to yourself.

How an intelligent human being could somehow rationalize not caring because certain injustices “don’t affect me” is beyond me. People like you are the reason so many things in history took so long to make right.

Fine, you don’t give a shit about white people. Any other wisdom you’d like to share?[/quote]

Yes.

Use sun screen.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]lambchop4life wrote:
This debate will end if people take my advice and apply it to real world application.
Just tell everyone you know hey just stop using the word period, no matter what the color of your skin is. A racist word is a racist word coming out anyone mouth, it does not matter if it ends in an “A” or “ER”. I don’t buy that bull crap kinship explanation either,its a derogatory word period. [/quote]

No it won’t. You can’t request that everybody immediately stops using an offensive word and expect it to vanish. Language doesn’t work like that; it is constantly shifting and developing (our vocabulary just twenty years ago is markedly different to that we use today).

The ‘n-word’ was originally not a derogatory term at all, but became part of a systematic process of dehumanizing African natives in order to justify enslaving them in the first place, which included language (specifically that one word, which was deliberately intended to rip the individuality out of Africans and reduce them to a skin color), so-called ‘eyewitness’ accounts that portrayed them as jungle-dwelling savages - which fly in the face of early descriptions from benign travellers who wrote of bustling towns with vast roads and the existence of sophisticated artwork like the Benin bronzes - and last, but not least, religion (namely, Christianity, which was twisted by white people to convince other whites to do whatever they pleased with African natives as whites, being white, were somehow closer to God.

This attitude still persists today with the KKK/white supremacists and nazis/ neo-nazis maintaining that they have a God-given right to do what they please, even though ‘having a right to do something’ to them means inflicting violence at every given opportunity. Which doesn’t reflect very well on them as Christians really…

We also have black Christians, so either they are self-hating racists, or the racists hiding behind religion aren’t very clever…

Language, religion, propaganda. None of these worked alone but operated in concert, so it’s not as easy as saying ‘just stop saying nigger and it’ll go away’ because it is part of a much bigger and more nefarious plan put into effect years ago by the white commercial opportunists-cum-slave traders - one which will still exist even if we could erase the word…and we can’t.

When a new word enters the English language, or the meaning of an existing word changes, it usually comes from slang. Slang is used by lower classes, and rarely by the more privileged members of society.

Here comes the big reveal: slave traders hijacked the word nigger in order to get slaves to trade: slaves were forcibly taken out of one society and put in another. They were labelled savages and became the lowest level of their new society. Over time, Africans became African-Americans, developed their own identity and…slang.

Black civil rights movements in the 70s reappropriated the word as a term of solidarity (synonymous with ‘brother’ as they shared a common heritage).

So ‘nigger’ in a sense, is very much a term of kinship (the Afrikaans equivalent ‘Kaffir’- which was also originally a neutral word, still maintains a decidedly derogatory meaning).

The problem is the n-word is still in a state of transition: it didn’t become a derogatory word overnight, so it isn’t going to lose that meaning overnight.

Don’t get me started on Ayn Rand.

[/quote]

We could start a movement to change the meaning to daisy or kitten.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]lambchop4life wrote:
This debate will end if people take my advice and apply it to real world application.
Just tell everyone you know hey just stop using the word period, no matter what the color of your skin is. A racist word is a racist word coming out anyone mouth, it does not matter if it ends in an “A” or “ER”. I don’t buy that bull crap kinship explanation either,its a derogatory word period. [/quote]

No it won’t. You can’t request that everybody immediately stops using an offensive word and expect it to vanish. Language doesn’t work like that; it is constantly shifting and developing (our vocabulary just twenty years ago is markedly different to that we use today).

The ‘n-word’ was originally not a derogatory term at all, but became part of a systematic process of dehumanizing African natives in order to justify enslaving them in the first place, which included language (specifically that one word, which was deliberately intended to rip the individuality out of Africans and reduce them to a skin color), so-called ‘eyewitness’ accounts that portrayed them as jungle-dwelling savages - which fly in the face of early descriptions from benign travellers who wrote of bustling towns with vast roads and the existence of sophisticated artwork like the Benin bronzes - and last, but not least, religion (namely, Christianity, which was twisted by white people to convince other whites to do whatever they pleased with African natives as whites, being white, were somehow closer to God.

This attitude still persists today with the KKK/white supremacists and nazis/ neo-nazis maintaining that they have a God-given right to do what they please, even though ‘having a right to do something’ to them means inflicting violence at every given opportunity. Which doesn’t reflect very well on them as Christians really…

We also have black Christians, so either they are self-hating racists, or the racists hiding behind religion aren’t very clever…

Language, religion, propaganda. None of these worked alone but operated in concert, so it’s not as easy as saying ‘just stop saying nigger and it’ll go away’ because it is part of a much bigger and more nefarious plan put into effect years ago by the white commercial opportunists-cum-slave traders - one which will still exist even if we could erase the word…and we can’t.

When a new word enters the English language, or the meaning of an existing word changes, it usually comes from slang. Slang is used by lower classes, and rarely by the more privileged members of society.

Here comes the big reveal: slave traders hijacked the word nigger in order to get slaves to trade: slaves were forcibly taken out of one society and put in another. They were labelled savages and became the lowest level of their new society. Over time, Africans became African-Americans, developed their own identity and…slang.

Black civil rights movements in the 70s reappropriated the word as a term of solidarity (synonymous with ‘brother’ as they shared a common heritage).

So ‘nigger’ in a sense, is very much a term of kinship (the Afrikaans equivalent ‘Kaffir’- which was also originally a neutral word, still maintains a decidedly derogatory meaning).

The problem is the n-word is still in a state of transition: it didn’t become a derogatory word overnight, so it isn’t going to lose that meaning overnight.

Don’t get me started on Ayn Rand.

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We could start a movement to change the meaning to daisy or kitten.[/quote]

lmao

“i brought you a bunch of niggers from the flourist today”

“aww, thanks i love niggers theyre beautiful”

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Holy shit I leave work and come back to an AA conversation damn HH 's thread grows like a weed.

DD from TN. Brother it sounds like you have some History with this stuff.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
“For us to continue, possibly the “quota” aspect of AA needs to be removed…but that isn’t all there is to Affirmative Action which one of the other posters confirmed.”

I couldn’t find the original thread that I remember, But this is what I remember of your stance. Perhaps some bold will help.

Are you now saying that you no longer support any form of AA?[/quote]

I haven’t even considered the aspect of affirmative action in years because it is of no concern to me. I would have to research relevant issues to even hold a current stance about it because it matters NONE AT ALL to me.

When I finally get around to giving enough of a shit about it to look into it, then I will tell you my current stance.

I have to say, looking for a thread half a decade old where I still wrote that aspects needed to be changed to act as if this is a “current stance that I still support affirmative action” is pretty fucking lame.[/quote]

I went to Google and searched affirmative action and professor x that was literally the first link I clicked.

So, you no longer care about racial issues. Ok. Then why are you in on this thread. At one point you are repeating over and over and over about suffering consequences for using a word, and now you don’t care about racial laws and the right and wrong of the situation because it “doesn’t affect you”?

How about this big guy, You’ve already made mention no one you know uses the damned word, so how about you stop having an opinion on it and GTFO.

Me using a silly word doesn’t affect you, so how about you keep your “be prepared to suffer consequences” opinion to yourself.

How an intelligent human being could somehow rationalize not caring because certain injustices “don’t affect me” is beyond me. People like you are the reason so many things in history took so long to make right.

Fine, you don’t give a shit about white people. Any other wisdom you’d like to share?[/quote]

Yes.

Use sun screen.[/quote]

hilarious. i know its a casual comment prof, but u called me racist for starting this thread and its seeming more and more to me that its YOU thats both hostile and racist. how dare a white person even dream of complaining about racial inequality, is that it? I didnt start this thread to “start some shit” or call you out, i just wanted some honest points of view, but i guess disagreeing with u is unavoidable. Youre constantly deflecting (i.e. r u crying right now) and seem incapable of taking seriously the idea that i/we might have a point. You said u dont use the word, so why r u defending the right of others to use it? Youre not obligated to because youre black.