For those of you who make the effort to buy grass fed beef have you ever thought about whey derived from grass fed cows? I just read a quick article from the NSCA, which stated that you should source your whey from grass fed cattle. Never really occurred to me until now?
Good luck trying to find it. There is only 1 brand that I know of & it’s expensive. It’s to small of a demand & most of that whey are given to pigs. Which I think would yield more profit for the use of that whey.
personally i am not looking to buy the stuff i was just curious to know what people here thought? you hear all this talk about guys sourcing grass fed beef esp. in the US, when the likelyhood is they are chugging down enough hormone enriched, grain derived whey to make their efforts to source clean meat pointless.
it makes you wonder though, is the nutritional profile of whey etc. changed depending where it is sourced?
just a thought!
[quote]worzel wrote:
personally i am not looking to buy the stuff i was just curious to know what people here thought? you hear all this talk about guys sourcing grass fed beef esp. in the US, when the likelyhood is they are chugging down enough hormone enriched, grain derived whey to make their efforts to source clean meat pointless.
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I think you should look into the actual level of hormones in normal beef and milk. The quantity is tiny. Then consider what makes it through the extraction process from milk to whey, and then realize that actual whey doesn’t contain a lot of protein and needs to be extracted further to get whey protein.
I’m satisfied that there isn’t an issue with normal whey.
Yes, I would think the process of extracting whey from its source would eliminate or greatly reduce the potential hormone content.
My wife occasionally uses “that” expensive brand of natural grassfed whey. It’s $50 for a small container. Not economical for a bodybuilder.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
I think you should look into the actual level of hormones in normal beef and milk. The quantity is tiny. Then consider what makes it through the extraction process from milk to whey, and then realize that actual whey doesn’t contain a lot of protein and needs to be extracted further to get whey protein.
I’m satisfied that there isn’t an issue with normal whey.[/quote]
You might be right about the actual levels of hormones etc. in beef and milk but when you consider that milk contains on average 3.5% protein of which whey makes up about 20% (0.7% raw whey) then that raw whey has to be further processed and concentrated to come up with standard whey. You can imagine how much milk is needed to extract a 30-40 gram dose of whey protein. Thats a lot of milk!
That in itself invalidates the above suggestion that the processing actually reduces the tiny amount of hormones etc. that rBGH cattle have in their milk but actually concentrates it and increases it!
Again just a thought!
Anyway the idea the cattle are treated with rBGH is absolutely fcuked up!
Why are you complaining about free gear? /Joke
Anyway chemicals get stored in fat, whey protein has very little fat in it. Save your cash and buy more steaks!
[quote]worzel wrote:
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
I think you should look into the actual level of hormones in normal beef and milk. The quantity is tiny. Then consider what makes it through the extraction process from milk to whey, and then realize that actual whey doesn’t contain a lot of protein and needs to be extracted further to get whey protein.
I’m satisfied that there isn’t an issue with normal whey.[/quote]
You might be right about the actual levels of hormones etc. in beef and milk but when you consider that milk contains on average 3.5% protein of which whey makes up about 20% (0.7% raw whey) then that raw whey has to be further processed and concentrated to come up with standard whey. You can imagine how much milk is needed to extract a 30-40 gram dose of whey protein. Thats a lot of milk!
That in itself invalidates the above suggestion that the processing actually reduces the tiny amount of hormones etc. that rBGH cattle have in their milk but actually concentrates it and increases it!
Again just a thought!
Anyway the idea the cattle are treated with rBGH is absolutely fcuked up![/quote]
Dude, Ive heard of water-soluble nutrients and fat-soluble nutrients, youre assuming that these are somehow protein-soluble and only stored in the whey?
Maybe if there is fat in your protein mix that also comes from the cows, but protein is pretty much dehydrated. Why would the hormones choose to attach themselves to the whey rather than the waste products during treatment?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
My wife occasionally uses “that” expensive brand of natural grassfed whey. It’s $50 for a small container. Not economical for a bodybuilder.[/quote]
yeah but have you SEEN your wife?
shiiiittt, i’m gonna put all my girlfriends on that shit
It’s worse: whey is only affordable as a by-product of dairy products like cheese. From what I can tell there are very few farmers in America making cheeses from grass fed milk and they’re scattered around the country. Anyone wanting to make grass-fed whey supps has to buy the whey from a few farmers in New England, Amish country (and Amish livestock are often barely alive and not producing much milk), and NorCal. There might be somebody doing it in Wisconsin, but I couldn’t find any the last time I was out there.
Anyway, is RGBH actually used in dairy cows? I thought that dairy cows were constantly inseminated to keep their milk production high and provide calves for veal. Not that that’s any better.
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
Dude, Ive heard of water-soluble nutrients and fat-soluble nutrients, youre assuming that these are somehow protein-soluble and only stored in the whey?
Maybe if there is fat in your protein mix that also comes from the cows, but protein is pretty much dehydrated. Why would the hormones choose to attach themselves to the whey rather than the waste products during treatment?[/quote]
I never assumed that rBGH was soluble acting like a nutrient, attaching itself to fat or present in water. rBGH is a ‘protein’ hormone made up of a long chain of amino acids so it is either filtered out or comes along for the ride?
I am no expert and I am not interested in purchasing the stuff either. I am only thinking out loud…
My understanding of the biggest benefit of grass fed beef is that the fat profile is leaner and different. Much more Omega 3’s in grass fed beef. I am not sure how this would help with whey protein.
This is an advert from a grass-fed producer touting grass-fed benefits:
[quote]worzel wrote:
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
Dude, Ive heard of water-soluble nutrients and fat-soluble nutrients, youre assuming that these are somehow protein-soluble and only stored in the whey?
Maybe if there is fat in your protein mix that also comes from the cows, but protein is pretty much dehydrated. Why would the hormones choose to attach themselves to the whey rather than the waste products during treatment?[/quote]
I never assumed that rBGH was soluble acting like a nutrient, attaching itself to fat or present in water. rBGH is a ‘protein’ hormone made up of a long chain of amino acids so it is either filtered out or comes along for the ride?
I am no expert and I am not interested in purchasing the stuff either. I am only thinking out loud…[/quote]
As was I, it seems more likely (to me at least) that it would be filtered out in the process somewhere. I have no evidence for it though.
the reason behind eating grass fed (beef) is to get more omega-3, a fat, correct? your whey shouldn’t have much fat if any, correct? i see no benefit in whey refined from grass fed cow milk. but there might be a benefit from drinking whole milk from said omega 3 binging cows. any thoughts on that?
maybe a research study, analyzing the fat profiles of whey from grain fed v. grass fed cattle. but then again i wonder how much fat there would be to analyze.
sorry if i repeated anyone else.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
the reason behind eating grass fed (beef) is to get more omega-3, a fat, correct? your whey shouldn’t have much fat if any, correct? i see no benefit in whey refined from grass fed cow milk. but there might be a benefit from drinking whole milk from said omega 3 binging cows. any thoughts on that?
maybe a research study, analyzing the fat profiles of whey from grain fed v. grass fed cattle. but then again i wonder how much fat there would be to analyze.
sorry if i repeated anyone else.
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This.
Grass-feed, etc. has little effect on the amino acid profile of the protein. It has more to do with the fat profile. Your whey should have very little fat. Thus, being grass-fed or not should not affect the quality of the whey.
i have read information regarding fat profiles of grass fed v’s grain fed beef but nothing regarding the potential for hormone/medicated contaminated whey from intensively reared cows being a concern. again if you consider the concentrations of said hormones may increase during processing it is worth having a look at!
in response to SUPABEAST: i know the US government are currently trying to import beef & dairy products to europe but so far they are banned, this in direct response to the use of rBGH. it at least has to have some negative impact on health otherwise we’d have american milk on our shelves
New Zealand produced whey will be grass fed.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
My wife occasionally uses “that” expensive brand of natural grassfed whey. It’s $50 for a small container. Not economical for a bodybuilder.[/quote]
yeah but have you SEEN your wife?
shiiiittt, i’m gonna put all my girlfriends on that shit[/quote]
LOL!
I wanna adopt you, HM!
Wait… that would be weird.
This is how is see the topic title → ‘‘overpriced whey’’
[quote]worzel wrote:
i have read information regarding fat profiles of grass fed v’s grain fed beef but nothing regarding the potential for hormone/medicated contaminated whey from intensively reared cows being a concern. again if you consider the concentrations of said hormones may increase during processing[/quote]
The concentration will not increase during processing. As a few people in this thread have said, chemicals/hormones/contaminants/toxins are stored in fat, and whey isolate has basically no fat, so the chemicals/hormones are irrelevant.