[quote]swivel wrote:
also post janet jackson cartoon nudity is blurred out… a cartoon is blurred out !![quote]
Why on God’s green earth is nudity necessary on a cartoon anyway? Is there not enough already on adult programming to suit ya? Let’s not forget who cartoons were ORIGINALLY aimed at? Scooby Doo, Bugs Bunny, Road Runner- anybody remember those? Or Snow White, Bambi, Sleeping Beauty. The last few years of envelope pushing or progress (whichever you prefer), has brought us to this. PG rated animation! PG! Everybody knows what that means right? That means the once safe haven of animated shows and movies are no longer sacred.
We parents now have to explain to our childern that they can’t see the latest Disney movie because we a) we haven’t watched it yet to screen it or b) it says damn or ass or something similar. Call me old fashioned but I see no benefit in allowing a 5 year old to hear those words just yet. I get fired up just talking about this because it’s the most ridiculous thing. How many G rated films are made now as opposed to 20 years ago? 10 years ago? And don’t give me that- Well, Road Runner has all this violence. What’s the difference between violence and nudity and bad language? Wil E. Coyote gets blown up all the time. That’s not even a legitimate argument and everyone knows it. RANT OVER!
[quote]dukefan4ever wrote:
Let’s not forget who cartoons were ORIGINALLY aimed at? Scooby Doo, Bugs Bunny, Road Runner- anybody remember those? Or Snow White, Bambi, Sleeping Beauty. …I get fired up just talking about this because it’s the most ridiculous thing. How many G rated films are made now as opposed to 20 years ago? 10 years ago?
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Exactly how many G-rated movies do you remember growing up? Besides maybe Bambi and Snow White, please list a few of the many that you believe have been lost in time. Here’s a hint, there weren’t that many. All of the movies you listed were Disney movies and it isn’t like they all came out in the same year. It amazes how people remember a reality that fits their agenda.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
dukefan4ever wrote:
Let’s not forget who cartoons were ORIGINALLY aimed at? Scooby Doo, Bugs Bunny, Road Runner- anybody remember those? Or Snow White, Bambi, Sleeping Beauty. …I get fired up just talking about this because it’s the most ridiculous thing. How many G rated films are made now as opposed to 20 years ago? 10 years ago?
Exactly how many G-rated movies do you remember growing up? Besides maybe Bambi and Snow White, please list a few of the many that you believe have been lost in time. Here’s a hint, there weren’t that many. All of the movies you listed were Disney movies and it isn’t like they all came out in the same year. It amazes how people remember a reality that fits their agenda.[/quote]
Bambi was a horrible movie. I was born in 82. I think I was about 6 when it came out in theaters again. I know I was pretty young. I distinctly remember being really angry and upset when they killed that damn deer’s mother. That movie made me contemplate violence (towards the hunters) more than any video game ever did. As far as more G movies back in decades past, I think there’s probably just as many today.
[quote] What’s the difference between violence and nudity and bad language?
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I’ll take this one: violence hurts people, bad language makes you seem crude, and nudity is natural. Seriously, I would let a child watch softcore porn WAY before I’d let them play something lige GTA. North America has serious issues with nudity and sexuality.
Not being from here, it really stands out to me. My mom would have had no problem with me watching a movie with strong sexual themes (or even softcore sex scenes) as a child, but I was not allowed to watch Spartacus until I turned 16. To me, this is a much healthier approach than the popular one, in which violent, unprovoked murder is seen as less harmful than a couple having sex.
[quote]dukefan4ever wrote:
swivel wrote:
also post janet jackson cartoon nudity is blurred out… a cartoon is blurred out !!
Why on God’s green earth is nudity necessary on a cartoon anyway?[/quote] because its funny ! that’s why . and not just a cartoon character : HOMER FRICKN SIMPSON ! point being homer’s butt crack was something that once was allowed, that people enjoyed immmensely, that did no harm to anyone, and is now something you can no longer do because a select fickle few find it not to their taste. say it again a harmless pleasure of life has been removed to placate the tastes of a select few. i find that preety frrrrrrickn disturbing don’t you ? now that’s something that needs to be explained to your kids when they ask " mommy why isn’t fun allowed anymore ? ". what is it about plumber’s crack that’s so difficult to explain to your kid ? you see it you laugh. that’s it. it’s funny ! kids think its funny. adults think its funny. what the hey …are u from connecticut ? i dunno about g ratings… i don’t think i’ve ever been aware of a movie’s rating…but wasn’t the greatest movie of all time, napolean dynamite, rated g ?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
dukefan4ever wrote:
Let’s not forget who cartoons were ORIGINALLY aimed at? Scooby Doo, Bugs Bunny, Road Runner- anybody remember those? Or Snow White, Bambi, Sleeping Beauty. …I get fired up just talking about this because it’s the most ridiculous thing. How many G rated films are made now as opposed to 20 years ago? 10 years ago?
Exactly how many G-rated movies do you remember growing up? Besides maybe Bambi and Snow White, please list a few of the many that you believe have been lost in time. Here’s a hint, there weren’t that many. All of the movies you listed were Disney movies and it isn’t like they all came out in the same year. It amazes how people remember a reality that fits their agenda.[/quote]
You are missing my point. Animated movies are now marketed to children and released in theaters as PG. Did you get that? Animated movies that require parental guidence. Why can’t you see the ridiculousness there? Isn’t the whole point of a CHILDRENS movie is that it can be seen BY children?
The vast majority of newer G rated movies are straight to video releases because the studio bosses put their clout behind the racier PF13 and R releases. There are exceptions of course such as Polar Express and Finding Nemo. Please, read this article. It does say I was incorrect in the amount of G rated movies made though. But there again, the vast majority are straight to video with no TV advertisement.
Let me get this straight. Seeing someone shoot someone else on TV has a negative effect on a child but nudity or cursing has none.
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Cursing is crude, and often makes intelligent people sound stupid. No, I don’t see how nudity hurts anyone. Hardcore porn is a different issue altogether, so don’t try to bring it up.
Nudity isn’t natural for your five year old? What do you tell him when he bathes? Honestly, I didn’t even wear clothes when I was 5 years old, and that was the norm in my country.
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Did you ever play cops and robbers when you were young? Or cowboys and indians? Kill anyone lately?[/quote]
Nope, I also saw lots of naked people, and I have not raped anyone either. I don’t see what you are trying to get at with this.
If you put sexuality on the same level as violence, you have a serious problem. Sadly, this attitude seems to be the norm in North America. It’s no wonder, then, that there are so many sexually dysfunctional individuals in this society. Rather than keeping your kids from seeing naked people, why not teach them some values? That way, when they reach adolescence, they’ll know when they should and shouldn’t have sex.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Rather than keeping your kids from seeing naked people, why not teach them some values? That way, when they reach adolescence, they’ll know when they should and shouldn’t have sex.
Nah…
I guess that would take too much parenting.[/quote]
Not sure how seeing naked people will let them know when to or not to have sex? Please explain that one?
Also, you’re assuming nudity and sex are synonymous. They are not.
I believe it’s my job to educate my kids about nudity and sex, not Hollyweird.
And I will do that, in my time. And by the way, I’m a fantastic father.
Not sure how seeing naked people will let them know when to or not to have sex? Please explain that one?
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I mentioned teaching them good values. If you “shield” them from all sexuality, they will figure it out on their own, and make really stupid choices along the way.
Aren’t they? I think this distinction is learned later in life.
So educate them. If they see something inappropriate, explain what is wrong with it. Teach them some good values. But don’t bitch about moral decay, and push your agenda on others. And the fact that you see sex (actually, nudity is what you said) as being as bad as murder is still retarded.
hahaha when i was 8 or 9 a bunch of us were told this kid he could be in our club if we could throw rocks at him while he used a trash can lid for a shield. so he was hiding behind the sheild when told us he had a copy of penthouse and he’d show us if we stopped throwing rocks at him. having a nudie mag back then was a big deal- no internet ya know. anyway we’re all checking out the penthouse and my mom came out behind the garage to check on us because suddenly it was so quiet and she took the mag away so then we picked teams and had a rock fight and i ended up w/ six stiches and then the next day we all beat the crap out of the kid who dropped half a brick on my head from the tree fort.
[quote]dukefan4ever wrote:
You are missing my point. Animated movies are now marketed to children and released in theaters as PG. Did you get that? Animated movies that require parental guidence. Why can’t you see the ridiculousness there? Isn’t the whole point of a CHILDRENS movie is that it can be seen BY children? [/quote]
How did I miss your point? I pointed out that there were NOT that many G-rated movies when we were kids. MOST of the movies released that we went to go see as kids were PG, not G-rated, and even then, if a movie is G-rated, when the hell did your parents drop a bunch of 5 year olds off at the theater by themselves? Exactly, they watched the freaking movie with you so you have no point.
And the vast majority of homes have DVD players with big screen tv’s and surround sound. Most movies are on dvd before they have even been out of the theater for a month now so again, what is your point? Hollywood puts it money into projects that make money. That is why there are 5,000 comic book movies being made now…because people pay to see them.
A movie hitting DVD first means jack shit in a society that has this much of an interest in home entertainment. The Olsen Twins became rich from releasing movies straight to video. If you actually had a point, that wouldn’t be the case. Clearly, that straight to video label was good enough to put them in the Benjamins for the rest of their life. What, are you mad because you now have to drive to BlockBuster? The horror.
[quote]dukefan4ever wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
and nudity is natural.
To a 5 year old? Not my 5 year old.
Let me get this straight. Seeing someone shoot someone else on TV has a negative effect on a child but nudity or cursing has none.
Did you ever play cops and robbers when you were young? Or cowboys and indians? Kill anyone lately?[/quote]
You are delusional. I have a little sister. I remember her running around the house butt naked whenever she could pull her dresses off at the age of 5 and no one ever called the police. I used to complain like crazy about it, but no one in their right mind would tell a 5 year old that nudity is not natural. That is about the age they are asking, “what is this and why does daddy have that?”. I don’t understand how your children will be able to cope with life or sexual situations later on after being raised to believe that nudity alone is unnatural.
Have you ever taken your kids to a museum? Do you hide their eyes at the sculptures? You probably simply don’t expose them to culture like that, huh? With your logic, greek statues are all unnatural and should be removed from any public place. I would hate for this country to be run by people who think like this…whoops…too late.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Several of you have said that modded systems are illegal. What makes them illegal in the US? The DMCA doesn’t necessarily make mod-chips illegal, unless there’s some precedent I’m unaware of. They are illegal in Australia, or so I’ve read.
Good point, nephorm. I think people are likely confusing the idea of them being illegal with how Microsoft deems those mods to be some sort of copyright or intellectual property violation (an argument I’ve never quite come to grips with given the fact that once I buy the system, how is Microsoft’s intellectual property rights affected by what I do with it unless I am making a knock-off copycat or something?)[/quote]
They’re not illegal per se, but they can be used to run pirated games (which is evil and bad!), and they also void most manufacturers’ warranties. So, considering how hard MicroSoft bangs the piracy drum, they are de facto, if not de jure illegal.
Now I’m supposed to beleive that a game like Grand Theft Auto is going to turn my kid into a car stealing, cop killing, hooker fucking menace? I don’t see it happening.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
What’s the difference between violence and nudity and bad language?
I’ll take this one: violence hurts people, bad language makes you seem crude, and nudity is natural. Seriously, I would let a child watch softcore porn WAY before I’d let them play something lige GTA. North America has serious issues with nudity and sexuality.
Not being from here, it really stands out to me. My mom would have had no problem with me watching a movie with strong sexual themes (or even softcore sex scenes) as a child, but I was not allowed to watch Spartacus until I turned 16. To me, this is a much healthier approach than the popular one, in which violent, unprovoked murder is seen as less harmful than a couple having sex.[/quote]
Have you ever taken your kids to a museum? Do you hide their eyes at the sculptures? You probably simply don’t expose them to culture like that, huh? With your logic, greek statues are all unnatural and should be removed from any public place. I would hate for this country to be run by people who think like this…whoops…too late.
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Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Marge lobbies to remove cartoon violence, but then people want her to stop the nude sculpture of Michaelangelo’s David being shown.
The point in that episode is well made. It is difficult to draw a distinction between what sort of violence, nudity or profanity can be considered gratuitous versus what is educational or helpful. But there is a distinction.
[quote]Slaughter wrote:
Paying for sex is illegal. You’re supposed to walk away from them and put some effort into a real relationship.
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You’re “supposed” to, eh? Says who? People are so weird about sex… if this were anything else in life, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
“I want a car.”
“You can’t just BUY a car! You have to marry someone who has one, and treat her like a queen!”
“I just want to get to work, dude.”
But I guess it’s nice to know that Big Brother is there to help me on the path to moral uprightness.