Govt Tracking Your Car

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

I try to stay balanced in this regard, we need protection, that is why we have Police, they need the tools to catch people. Where is that line? That is always a moving target.

We need our privacy and if my rights were ever fringed upon I would very much think different.[/quote]

Here’s the problem though:

"First they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

If you don’t fight for the rights of people you aren’t part of, or aren’t personally concerned with, then there’s no one left to help you when they finally come for YOUR rights. This is one reason we allow, and soldier fought for, the hideous practice of flag burning.

This isn’t a game of conserving your energy. If you don’t bother getting up, you won’t be able to when you need to.[/quote]
Okay I agree, however what is your proposal?

I do not believe we are at a state of revolt. We are still in a Democracy and state laws are just that state laws. Like I stated the reason I will never leave Texas. [/quote]

Consider what is taking place in states were federal and state laws conflict. Texas may be one of the last states to drown; but make no mistake; we are sinking as I type these very words.

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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

I try to stay balanced in this regard, we need protection, that is why we have Police, they need the tools to catch people. Where is that line? That is always a moving target.

We need our privacy and if my rights were ever fringed upon I would very much think different.[/quote]

Here’s the problem though:

"First they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

If you don’t fight for the rights of people you aren’t part of, or aren’t personally concerned with, then there’s no one left to help you when they finally come for YOUR rights. This is one reason we allow, and soldier fought for, the hideous practice of flag burning.

This isn’t a game of conserving your energy. If you don’t bother getting up, you won’t be able to when you need to.[/quote]
Okay I agree, however what is your proposal?

I do not believe we are at a state of revolt. We are still in a Democracy and state laws are just that state laws. Like I stated the reason I will never leave Texas. [/quote]

Consider what is taking place in states were federal and state laws conflict. Texas may be one of the last states to drown; but make no mistake; we are sinking as I type these very words.
[/quote]

With Federal Law trumping State Law we are sinking very fast. Texas is where everyone wants to be right now because of jobs, but they are not leaving their politics behind. Texas will be a blue state in 50 years unless we secede, but that wont happen.

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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

I try to stay balanced in this regard, we need protection, that is why we have Police, they need the tools to catch people. Where is that line? That is always a moving target.

We need our privacy and if my rights were ever fringed upon I would very much think different.[/quote]

Here’s the problem though:

"First they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

If you don’t fight for the rights of people you aren’t part of, or aren’t personally concerned with, then there’s no one left to help you when they finally come for YOUR rights. This is one reason we allow, and soldier fought for, the hideous practice of flag burning.

This isn’t a game of conserving your energy. If you don’t bother getting up, you won’t be able to when you need to.[/quote]
Okay I agree, however what is your proposal?

I do not believe we are at a state of revolt. We are still in a Democracy and state laws are just that state laws. Like I stated the reason I will never leave Texas. [/quote]

Consider what is taking place in states were federal and state laws conflict. Texas may be one of the last states to drown; but make no mistake; we are sinking as I type these very words.
[/quote]
Agreed.

But like I already stated, Nothing Lasts Forever

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

I try to stay balanced in this regard, we need protection, that is why we have Police, they need the tools to catch people. Where is that line? That is always a moving target.

We need our privacy and if my rights were ever fringed upon I would very much think different.[/quote]

Here’s the problem though:

"First they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

If you don’t fight for the rights of people you aren’t part of, or aren’t personally concerned with, then there’s no one left to help you when they finally come for YOUR rights. This is one reason we allow, and soldier fought for, the hideous practice of flag burning.

This isn’t a game of conserving your energy. If you don’t bother getting up, you won’t be able to when you need to.[/quote]
Okay I agree, however what is your proposal?

I do not believe we are at a state of revolt. We are still in a Democracy and state laws are just that state laws. Like I stated the reason I will never leave Texas. [/quote]

Consider what is taking place in states were federal and state laws conflict. Texas may be one of the last states to drown; but make no mistake; we are sinking as I type these very words.
[/quote]

With Federal Law trumping State Law we are sinking very fast. Texas is where everyone wants to be right now because of jobs, but they are not leaving their politics behind. Texas will be a blue state in 50 years unless we secede, but that wont happen.[/quote]
I will be dead in 50 years

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

So, the police now know:
1.) Where your car is at all times
2.) Who you are emailing
3.) Who you send snail mail too
4.) Who you have been calling
5.) All of your financial information

They also have the power to:
1.) Freeze your accounts
2.) Garnish your wages
3.) Illegally search your home (Boston Bombing)
4.) Charge you with domestic terrorism and throw you in Gitmo (without Due Process)

Am I missing anything.

Ya, nothing to be concerned about at all. That piece of rotting paper in DC has my back. [/quote]

Well said.

Add to the list monitor all phone calls you have made.

This power is being used for political purposes by the government elite to keep themselves in power.

For example, a political candidate was targeted using her IRS filings and a false lien placed on her:

“Former GOP Senate candidate Christine Oâ??Donnell told her tax records were breached
Errant lien on house placed, publicized”

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

I try to stay balanced in this regard, we need protection, that is why we have Police, they need the tools to catch people. Where is that line? That is always a moving target.

We need our privacy and if my rights were ever fringed upon I would very much think different.[/quote]

Here’s the problem though:

"First they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

If you don’t fight for the rights of people you aren’t part of, or aren’t personally concerned with, then there’s no one left to help you when they finally come for YOUR rights. This is one reason we allow, and soldier fought for, the hideous practice of flag burning.

This isn’t a game of conserving your energy. If you don’t bother getting up, you won’t be able to when you need to.[/quote]
Okay I agree, however what is your proposal?

I do not believe we are at a state of revolt. We are still in a Democracy and state laws are just that state laws. Like I stated the reason I will never leave Texas. [/quote]

Consider what is taking place in states were federal and state laws conflict. Texas may be one of the last states to drown; but make no mistake; we are sinking as I type these very words.
[/quote]

With Federal Law trumping State Law we are sinking very fast. Texas is where everyone wants to be right now because of jobs, but they are not leaving their politics behind. Texas will be a blue state in 50 years unless we secede, but that wont happen.[/quote]
I will be dead in 50 years[/quote]

I am going to live forever.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

I try to stay balanced in this regard, we need protection, that is why we have Police, they need the tools to catch people. Where is that line? That is always a moving target.

We need our privacy and if my rights were ever fringed upon I would very much think different.[/quote]

Here’s the problem though:

"First they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

If you don’t fight for the rights of people you aren’t part of, or aren’t personally concerned with, then there’s no one left to help you when they finally come for YOUR rights. This is one reason we allow, and soldier fought for, the hideous practice of flag burning.

This isn’t a game of conserving your energy. If you don’t bother getting up, you won’t be able to when you need to.[/quote]
Okay I agree, however what is your proposal?

I do not believe we are at a state of revolt. We are still in a Democracy and state laws are just that state laws. Like I stated the reason I will never leave Texas. [/quote]

Consider what is taking place in states were federal and state laws conflict. Texas may be one of the last states to drown; but make no mistake; we are sinking as I type these very words.
[/quote]

With Federal Law trumping State Law we are sinking very fast. Texas is where everyone wants to be right now because of jobs, but they are not leaving their politics behind. Texas will be a blue state in 50 years unless we secede, but that wont happen.[/quote]
I will be dead in 50 years[/quote]

I am going to live forever.
[/quote]
I heard that about you :slight_smile:

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

I try to stay balanced in this regard, we need protection, that is why we have Police, they need the tools to catch people. Where is that line? That is always a moving target.

We need our privacy and if my rights were ever fringed upon I would very much think different.[/quote]

Here’s the problem though:

"First they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

If you don’t fight for the rights of people you aren’t part of, or aren’t personally concerned with, then there’s no one left to help you when they finally come for YOUR rights. This is one reason we allow, and soldier fought for, the hideous practice of flag burning.

This isn’t a game of conserving your energy. If you don’t bother getting up, you won’t be able to when you need to.[/quote]
Okay I agree, however what is your proposal?

I do not believe we are at a state of revolt. We are still in a Democracy and state laws are just that state laws. Like I stated the reason I will never leave Texas. [/quote]

Consider what is taking place in states were federal and state laws conflict. Texas may be one of the last states to drown; but make no mistake; we are sinking as I type these very words.
[/quote]

With Federal Law trumping State Law we are sinking very fast. Texas is where everyone wants to be right now because of jobs, but they are not leaving their politics behind. Texas will be a blue state in 50 years unless we secede, but that wont happen.[/quote]
I will be dead in 50 years[/quote]

I am going to live forever.
[/quote]
I heard that about you :)[/quote]

More like this.

Funny though.

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I’m a bit torn.

There is still a difference between gathering data, and acting on that data.

I think about the best we can do is to increase the restrictions on the use of that data… when you can use it, how you can use it, and providing full FOIA access to what was requested, how, why, in what context. And not with the “sure, we’ll get back to you” responses. Actual accountability with timely responses on the FOIA front.

Based on the current state of technology, both voluntary and involuntary monitoring, there’s really not a whole lot you can do to stop the flood of information gathering as-is. There’s enough passive monitoring both public and private to track just about anything if you can put it together. I think a lot of people would be surprised to find out how much stuff is captured and COULD be acted on, but isn’t.

Basically my view is… you can’t stop the data capture, and you can’t stop the fact that the technology is just going to get better and better… but you can make it illegal to act on that data in certain ways, for certain “crimes”. I’m actually more concerned about abuses of power at a local level, in the departments that get a kick out of pulling someone over for driving 1mph over the speed limit, than I am about federal misuse of this information.

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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

I try to stay balanced in this regard, we need protection, that is why we have Police, they need the tools to catch people. Where is that line? That is always a moving target.

We need our privacy and if my rights were ever fringed upon I would very much think different.[/quote]

Here’s the problem though:

"First they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

If you don’t fight for the rights of people you aren’t part of, or aren’t personally concerned with, then there’s no one left to help you when they finally come for YOUR rights. This is one reason we allow, and soldier fought for, the hideous practice of flag burning.

This isn’t a game of conserving your energy. If you don’t bother getting up, you won’t be able to when you need to.[/quote]
Okay I agree, however what is your proposal?

I do not believe we are at a state of revolt. We are still in a Democracy and state laws are just that state laws. Like I stated the reason I will never leave Texas. [/quote]

Consider what is taking place in states were federal and state laws conflict. Texas may be one of the last states to drown; but make no mistake; we are sinking as I type these very words.
[/quote]

Agreed bluecollar. And derek I agree with you as well that we are not in a state of revolt. We are in fact a democracy (representative Republic really but anyway) and laws are laws. This is the point I am making though–it is not “revolt, secede, south/north/states will rise, blah blah blah”. It is become actively involved–write/email your reps weekly, state and national, make sure they recognize your name even if it’s annoying, make sure you add your voice to those in chorus even if they aren’t personally concerning to you (flag burning example again–I find it beyond disgusting but that’s the price for truly free speech, and that’s worth more than my disgust being placated because it is the only way to maintain a free state short of the 2nd Amendment). The same goes for other civil rights.

The line will always shift unless you get involved and VOCAL (with rational thought mind you, not like “doomsday prepper” vocal). The line was built to shift by the very nature of government and the intrinsic components of human nature and the will to power. The only way it stays in check is by constant vigilance, a rule our founding father’s wrote about and saw as self-evident. It makes no difference whether it’s your concern or not, it’s all of ours. So the proposal in this case is: talk about the state law. Email your congressman, get vocal. Maybe it doesn’t work, but here’s some food for thought: Mark Twain considered people who refused to get vocal to be traitors to the country. Here’s what he says, in A Connecticut Yankee, clearly speaking as himself in the voice of the primary character:

[quote]"You see my kind of loyalty was loyalty to one’s country, not to its institutions or its office-holders. The country is the real thing, the substantial thing, the eternal thing; it is the thing to watch over, and care for, and be loyal to; institutions are extraneous, they are its mere clothing, and clothing can wear out, become ragged, cease to be comfortable, cease to protect the body from winter, disease, and death. To be loyal to rags, to shout for rags, to worship rags, to die for ragsâ??that is a loyalty of unreason, it is pure animal; it belongs to monarchy, was invented by monarchy; let monarchy keep it. I was from Connecticut, whose Constitution declares ‘that all political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority and instituted for their benefit; and that they have at all times an undeniable and indefeasible right to alter their form of government in such a manner as they may think expedient.’

Under that gospel, the citizen who thinks he sees that the commonwealth’s political clothes are worn out, and yet holds his peace and does not agitate for a new suit, is disloyal; he is a traitor. That he may be the only one who thinks he sees this decay, does not excuse him; it is his duty to agitate anyway, and it is the duty of the others to vote him down if they do not see the matter as he does."[/quote]

His other quotes in life rather than literature bear this opinion out as well. Emphasis mine.

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I would find it annoying if big brother was watching me. For a fact after seeing swat teams raid a couple houses in my neighborhood I know that my area is of high watch because people here either sell drugs, work shitty jobs and do drugs or engage in other activity. I personally know 2 young idiots that have committed heinous crimes and are in jail for life or paroled after 25 to 20.

Living in such an area and being a decent person I really don’t give a fuck if they watch me because I pale in comparison to such said nut cases. In fact because of the gun laws here and the fact that you can not have concealed weapons I would probably feel safer if they had more cameras because as mentioned I have nothing to hide. I do find it fucked though but really, I could get in more trouble If i illegaly defended myself against a thug then If i Called the cops.

Which I have never done because all of my serious issues I have solved as a man… In Canada If you do something beyond reasonable force you can get jailed for fucking up an intruder, not to say I havn’t knocked people out but being an adult male you can easily fuck your life up if you make an irrational decision.

I have fought thugs I have stood up to cops under wrongfully being stopped for no reason… If a camera solves serious crime I’m for it because if one is to act out of term according to our laws you can get into more shit then a douchebag thug here, they have been trying to prove in Canada that a terrorist who has tried to grenade his own people that he deserves rights as a Canadian when he is foreign born. They do not have a problem with jailing young people who break the law even if it seems like a legit reason too. Our justice sytem as America’s is in need of serious reform.

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You can mark me in he “extremely concerned about this” category.

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I love both of our nations but you have to admit that law enforcement has to keep up to par with modern times. I have at least 20 or so scenarios where this is good to prevent or solve serious crime. Admittedly I am paranoid in nature and always watch my back. I know that an idiot can try 2 fuck with me but at least they more then likely will not have a gun.

I have onlyknown a couple people to illegaly have a hand gun in my city, if you live in the country you can have rifles if stored properly. The government recently scrapped licenses for long arm rifles which the police told them not to do because around 60 to 80 percent of fire arm crimes happen with these weapons.

As a Canadian, knowing that the majority of people do not have a gun I could give a fuck if big brother were watching idiots who have them because I do not have one and have nothing to hide. I think that America hasfucked up because they allow alot of idiots to bare arems which shouldn’t be alllowed. Even if they reform the rules to have arms now they will still have problems for a good 50 or more years. As my buddy in NY said it may be illegal to get an assault rifle there they can always drive to another state and get one. Please hate on me with your idiotic gun laws Pleaaaaaase. It will prove your idiocy.

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Basically my view is… you can’t stop the data capture, and you can’t stop the fact that the technology is just going to get better and better… but you can make it illegal to act on that data in certain ways, for certain “crimes”. I’m actually more concerned about abuses of power at a local level, in the departments that get a kick out of pulling someone over for driving 1mph over the speed limit, than I am about federal misuse of this information.

Yeah as long as they don’t do this I don’t care. It has been used to find child predators. Fuck that’s reason enough.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
Paranoid much?

Ask James Bulgers parents what they think of CCTV. Ask the vicitims of the Boston Bombing…CCTV nabbed that fuckers arse real quick.

How do you expect Police and Security forces to function if you don’t give them the tools to do their job?[/quote]

The Boston Bomber was caught because some random guy happened to walk into his back yard. CCTV didn’t catch anything. As a matter of fact CCTV helped splash some kids face all over the news that wasn’t even involved.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-bombing-bag-men-sue-new-york-post-article-1.1365190[/quote]

Wrong.

The false identifications were being made by internet idiots with no training. Police had nothing to do with that.

CCTV allowed police to quickly put up images of these guys, thatt got them on the run to begin with.

Furthermore, guys get over it, you do not live in a Fascist dictatorship. Hate to break it to you, but there you go. Just because you are on CCTV footage does not mean the cops think you are guilty and must prove your innocence. Do you honestly think they are that stupid? Give them some credit for Christs sake! [/quote]

Exactly. You can’t ignore the usefulness of the cameras being able to get his image out to the public quickly.

The fact is that cops scanning your license plate and knowing where your car is at various times is not an illegal search and is completely within the parameters of the constitution. I don’t want the govt. involved in my private life either but imo this is not an infringement. Damn they can have fingerprint records of you, who cares if they know where you’re car has been parked the last couple of years?

[/quote]

So, the police now know:
1.) Where your car is at all times
2.) Who you are emailing
3.) Who you send snail mail too
4.) Who you have been calling
5.) All of your financial information

They also have the power to:
1.) Freeze your accounts
2.) Garnish your wages
3.) Illegally search your home (Boston Bombing)
4.) Charge you with domestic terrorism and throw you in Gitmo (without Due Process)

Am I missing anything.

Ya, nothing to be concerned about at all. That piece of rotting paper in DC has my back. [/quote]

Dude, like, what are you so paranoid about, brah? If it helps the government catch the bad guys and keep us safer, then it has to be a good thing…right?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

I try to stay balanced in this regard, we need protection, that is why we have Police, they need the tools to catch people. Where is that line? That is always a moving target.

We need our privacy and if my rights were ever fringed upon I would very much think different.[/quote]

Here’s the problem though:

"First they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

If you don’t fight for the rights of people you aren’t part of, or aren’t personally concerned with, then there’s no one left to help you when they finally come for YOUR rights. This is one reason we allow, and soldier fought for, the hideous practice of flag burning.

This isn’t a game of conserving your energy. If you don’t bother getting up, you won’t be able to when you need to.[/quote]
Okay I agree, however what is your proposal?

I do not believe we are at a state of revolt. We are still in a Democracy and state laws are just that state laws. Like I stated the reason I will never leave Texas. [/quote]

Consider what is taking place in states were federal and state laws conflict. Texas may be one of the last states to drown; but make no mistake; we are sinking as I type these very words.
[/quote]

With Federal Law trumping State Law we are sinking very fast. Texas is where everyone wants to be right now because of jobs, but they are not leaving their politics behind. Texas will be a blue state in 50 years unless we secede, but that wont happen.[/quote]
I will be dead in 50 years[/quote]

Come on, Derek. Our forefathers certainly didn’t talk that way.

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I bet they can’t track my imaginary car

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
Paranoid much?

Ask James Bulgers parents what they think of CCTV. Ask the vicitims of the Boston Bombing…CCTV nabbed that fuckers arse real quick.

How do you expect Police and Security forces to function if you don’t give them the tools to do their job?[/quote]

The Boston Bomber was caught because some random guy happened to walk into his back yard. CCTV didn’t catch anything. As a matter of fact CCTV helped splash some kids face all over the news that wasn’t even involved.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-bombing-bag-men-sue-new-york-post-article-1.1365190[/quote]

Wrong.

The false identifications were being made by internet idiots with no training. Police had nothing to do with that.

CCTV allowed police to quickly put up images of these guys, thatt got them on the run to begin with.

Furthermore, guys get over it, you do not live in a Fascist dictatorship. Hate to break it to you, but there you go. Just because you are on CCTV footage does not mean the cops think you are guilty and must prove your innocence. Do you honestly think they are that stupid? Give them some credit for Christs sake! [/quote]

Exactly. You can’t ignore the usefulness of the cameras being able to get his image out to the public quickly.

The fact is that cops scanning your license plate and knowing where your car is at various times is not an illegal search and is completely within the parameters of the constitution. I don’t want the govt. involved in my private life either but imo this is not an infringement. Damn they can have fingerprint records of you, who cares if they know where you’re car has been parked the last couple of years?

[/quote]

So, the police now know:
1.) Where your car is at all times
2.) Who you are emailing
3.) Who you send snail mail too
4.) Who you have been calling
5.) All of your financial information

They also have the power to:
1.) Freeze your accounts
2.) Garnish your wages
3.) Illegally search your home (Boston Bombing)
4.) Charge you with domestic terrorism and throw you in Gitmo (without Due Process)

Am I missing anything.

Ya, nothing to be concerned about at all. That piece of rotting paper in DC has my back. [/quote]

Dude, like, what are you so paranoid about, brah? If it helps the government catch the bad guys and keep us safer, then it has to be a good thing…right?[/quote]

Im not a fan of most of that list usmc presented. Phone calls and emails have an expectation of privacy. Your car on a public road does not, has not, and never will (except the inside compartments.) IMO the license plate tracking is just as more technologically efficient way for the police to collect data they ALREADY can. Before this they could just follow you and run your license plate and hang out by your car until you got back and follow you home if they want. Then write down the info in a notebook. They aren’t stretching or breaking any laws here.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
Paranoid much?

Ask James Bulgers parents what they think of CCTV. Ask the vicitims of the Boston Bombing…CCTV nabbed that fuckers arse real quick.

How do you expect Police and Security forces to function if you don’t give them the tools to do their job?[/quote]

The Boston Bomber was caught because some random guy happened to walk into his back yard. CCTV didn’t catch anything. As a matter of fact CCTV helped splash some kids face all over the news that wasn’t even involved.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-bombing-bag-men-sue-new-york-post-article-1.1365190[/quote]

Wrong.

The false identifications were being made by internet idiots with no training. Police had nothing to do with that.

CCTV allowed police to quickly put up images of these guys, thatt got them on the run to begin with.

Furthermore, guys get over it, you do not live in a Fascist dictatorship. Hate to break it to you, but there you go. Just because you are on CCTV footage does not mean the cops think you are guilty and must prove your innocence. Do you honestly think they are that stupid? Give them some credit for Christs sake! [/quote]

Exactly. You can’t ignore the usefulness of the cameras being able to get his image out to the public quickly.

The fact is that cops scanning your license plate and knowing where your car is at various times is not an illegal search and is completely within the parameters of the constitution. I don’t want the govt. involved in my private life either but imo this is not an infringement. Damn they can have fingerprint records of you, who cares if they know where you’re car has been parked the last couple of years?

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So, the police now know:
1.) Where your car is at all times
2.) Who you are emailing
3.) Who you send snail mail too
4.) Who you have been calling
5.) All of your financial information

They also have the power to:
1.) Freeze your accounts
2.) Garnish your wages
3.) Illegally search your home (Boston Bombing)
4.) Charge you with domestic terrorism and throw you in Gitmo (without Due Process)

Am I missing anything.

Ya, nothing to be concerned about at all. That piece of rotting paper in DC has my back. [/quote]

Dude, like, what are you so paranoid about, brah? If it helps the government catch the bad guys and keep us safer, then it has to be a good thing…right?[/quote]

Im not a fan of most of that list usmc presented. Phone calls and emails have an expectation of privacy. Your car on a public road does not, has not, and never will (except the inside compartments.) IMO the license plate tracking is just as more technologically efficient way for the police to collect data they ALREADY can. Before this they could just follow you and run your license plate and hang out by your car until you got back and follow you home if they want. Then write down the info in a notebook. They aren’t stretching or breaking any laws here. [/quote]

The gov thinks she can collect any data she wants, that imo is the problem.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]MartyMonster wrote:
Paranoid much?

Ask James Bulgers parents what they think of CCTV. Ask the vicitims of the Boston Bombing…CCTV nabbed that fuckers arse real quick.

How do you expect Police and Security forces to function if you don’t give them the tools to do their job?[/quote]

The Boston Bomber was caught because some random guy happened to walk into his back yard. CCTV didn’t catch anything. As a matter of fact CCTV helped splash some kids face all over the news that wasn’t even involved.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-bombing-bag-men-sue-new-york-post-article-1.1365190[/quote]

Wrong.

The false identifications were being made by internet idiots with no training. Police had nothing to do with that.

CCTV allowed police to quickly put up images of these guys, thatt got them on the run to begin with.

Furthermore, guys get over it, you do not live in a Fascist dictatorship. Hate to break it to you, but there you go. Just because you are on CCTV footage does not mean the cops think you are guilty and must prove your innocence. Do you honestly think they are that stupid? Give them some credit for Christs sake! [/quote]

Exactly. You can’t ignore the usefulness of the cameras being able to get his image out to the public quickly.

The fact is that cops scanning your license plate and knowing where your car is at various times is not an illegal search and is completely within the parameters of the constitution. I don’t want the govt. involved in my private life either but imo this is not an infringement. Damn they can have fingerprint records of you, who cares if they know where you’re car has been parked the last couple of years?

[/quote]

So, the police now know:
1.) Where your car is at all times
2.) Who you are emailing
3.) Who you send snail mail too
4.) Who you have been calling
5.) All of your financial information

They also have the power to:
1.) Freeze your accounts
2.) Garnish your wages
3.) Illegally search your home (Boston Bombing)
4.) Charge you with domestic terrorism and throw you in Gitmo (without Due Process)

Am I missing anything.

Ya, nothing to be concerned about at all. That piece of rotting paper in DC has my back. [/quote]

Dude, like, what are you so paranoid about, brah? If it helps the government catch the bad guys and keep us safer, then it has to be a good thing…right?[/quote]

Im not a fan of most of that list usmc presented. Phone calls and emails have an expectation of privacy. Your car on a public road does not, has not, and never will (except the inside compartments.) IMO the license plate tracking is just as more technologically efficient way for the police to collect data they ALREADY can. Before this they could just follow you and run your license plate and hang out by your car until you got back and follow you home if they want. Then write down the info in a notebook. They aren’t stretching or breaking any laws here. [/quote]

The gov thinks she can collect any data she wants, that imo is the problem.

[/quote]

Exactly.

And the beast is never satiated.