[quote]Brucelee69 wrote:
I think a great way to decide whether or not you are going to want to pursue higher styles of martial arts is to start at either tae kwan do or brazilian ju jitsu. I would stay away from things like wrestling, judo, or boxing because most of those are a sport and not much else. However, if you want to do one of these, go for it. I happen to love wrestling and think it is a lot of fun. However, it is DEFINITELY not street defense.[/quote]
I’ll say the exact opposite and say wrestling is one of the best styles for the street.
Gross motor skills, highly strength-reliant, and leaving your opponent on the ground with you on top for you to sink a choke or hold in is the number one way to end a fight without doing too much harm to your opponent imo and limiting your exposure to haymakers, because any drunk can still throw a hard punch. Even aikido-style wristlocks work if you have good positioning.
Boxing is valuable too, as most people only use their hands.
About tkd, try high kicking in casual pants instead of fight gear.
[quote]Malchir wrote:
Brucelee69 wrote:
I think a great way to decide whether or not you are going to want to pursue higher styles of martial arts is to start at either tae kwan do or brazilian ju jitsu. I would stay away from things like wrestling, judo, or boxing because most of those are a sport and not much else. However, if you want to do one of these, go for it. I happen to love wrestling and think it is a lot of fun. However, it is DEFINITELY not street defense.
I’ll say the exact opposite and say wrestling is one of the best styles for the street.
Gross motor skills, highly strength-reliant, and leaving your opponent on the ground with you on top for you to sink a choke or hold in is the number one way to end a fight without doing too much harm to your opponent imo and limiting your exposure to haymakers, because any drunk can still throw a hard punch. Even aikido-style wristlocks work if you have good positioning.
Boxing is valuable too, as most people only use their hands.
About tkd, try high kicking in casual pants instead of fight gear.
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I see your points, but I think If you were to sit down and look at the pros and cons of wrestling and boxing you would find that it is not practical to learn a sport fighting style for reasonable street defense. I know what your getting at with the tkd, but you must admit it is a good style for a begginer to study until you become more interested in higher and more complicated forms of martial arts.
The pros: it definitely works and it works against resisting opponents who know what you’re going to do. The cons: it does not necessarily address all the ‘‘street’’ concerns. Who cares? It’s a good functional delivery system to add dirt to.
[quote]ah_dut wrote:
The pros: it definitely works and it works against resisting opponents who know what you’re going to do. The cons: it does not necessarily address all the ‘‘street’’ concerns. Who cares? It’s a good functional delivery system to add dirt to.[/quote]
[quote]Brucelee69 wrote:
I see your points, but I think If you were to sit down and look at the pros and cons of wrestling and boxing you would find that it is not practical to learn a sport fighting style for reasonable street defense. I know what your getting at with the tkd, but you must admit it is a good style for a begginer to study until you become more interested in higher and more complicated forms of martial arts.[/quote]
I believe every martial art has something to offer. However, I don’t see anything tkd has to offer that muay thai doesn’t offer as well, especially sport-tkd.
One thing I also despise about tkd(non-sport) is those practitioners that claim their style is ultimate because they have over 6500 ways to kick, and saying weigth training is useless because my extra muscle was not developped while fighting and thus dead weigth which will only slow me down.
Whenever I invite them to come to my wrestling/mma-gym and spar they refuse, claiming I wouldn’t be able to touch them and they don’t want to break my bones. It annoys my fighter’s heart. But I’m rambling. If their tkd, or any style in general, works to keep them safe, I would be the last one to say some other style is “better for self-defense”.
Imo, boxing or muay thai will be superior, because the style is kept simple, and has more realistic sparring. I think you shouldn’t stay in one style anyway. Being an all-round fighter rules.
It’s sooo fun putting away style-purists in mere seconds because they have no id how to defend to anything outside of their style. It crushes their ego as well, some learn from their defeat and take up another style to complement their weaknesses, but most just make up excuses and train harder in the one style.
[quote]Malchir wrote:
Brucelee69 wrote:
I see your points, but I think If you were to sit down and look at the pros and cons of wrestling and boxing you would find that it is not practical to learn a sport fighting style for reasonable street defense. I know what your getting at with the tkd, but you must admit it is a good style for a begginer to study until you become more interested in higher and more complicated forms of martial arts.
I believe every martial art has something to offer. However, I don’t see anything tkd has to offer that muay thai doesn’t offer as well, especially sport-tkd.
One thing I also despise about tkd(non-sport) is those practitioners that claim their style is ultimate because they have over 6500 ways to kick, and saying weigth training is useless because my extra muscle was not developped while fighting and thus dead weigth which will only slow me down.
Whenever I invite them to come to my wrestling/mma-gym and spar they refuse, claiming I wouldn’t be able to touch them and they don’t want to break my bones. It annoys my fighter’s heart. But I’m rambling. If their tkd, or any style in general, works to keep them safe, I would be the last one to say some other style is “better for self-defense”.
Imo, boxing or muay thai will be superior, because the style is kept simple, and has more realistic sparring. I think you shouldn’t stay in one style anyway. Being an all-round fighter rules.
It’s sooo fun putting away style-purists in mere seconds because they have no id how to defend to anything outside of their style. It crushes their ego as well, some learn from their defeat and take up another style to complement their weaknesses, but most just make up excuses and train harder in the one style.[/quote]
dude, I don’t take tkd, but I know what you mean about them being snobby. Fear not the man who has practiced 1000 kicks 1 time, but the man who has practiced 1 kick 1000 times.
No one martial art is the best, if theres an MMA or Pancrase club or something like that, try that on for size. And as for street fights, as a bouncer Ive seen a few, and there almost NEVER fair. Its not like “Road House” where two guys just go at it and then it radiates outward, generally its 2 Vs 1 or someone has the element of surprise or a weapon. Best idea, FUCKING PEACE, Ive seen enough guys that were way bigger than there opponent get FUCKED because of the variables involved. People say MMA has alot of variables, fighting in a bar has an almost infinite number of variables, chairs, wet spot on the floor, other people in the area etc.
Hey, guys, forget any ground-fight on street. If you are on ground, you are half-dead, becouse his friend (you didn’t see him at the start of the fight) will kick your head out. No metter who is winning. This is reality. Boxing? One good blow with knife does so much damage few boxers can even imagine.
So if you want self defense, go for self-defense and NO sport. Try some crav maga, wing-chun, i don’t know them. I train Ju-Jitsu focused on self-defense (rather than fancy moves), so if you can find something like this… Or some police (or army) training.
Brucelee69: fear the man who will stab you with knife in your stomach. Anyway you are right, few simple techniques done correctly EVEN UNDER STRESS beat any book-fighter.
Decide your goals (skill, fitness, all round dont fuck with me attitude)
Pick a good teacher (ask around and get some recomendations)
Make sure where your are going has the correct facitilites for your goals (see 1)
If you are completely new to this then pick something (at least to start with) that you are comfortable with most.
IE If you prefer punching to kicking then boxing the obvious choice
You can mix your classes over a week anyway so you could box AND wrestle fitness allowing.
Dont believe the hype over some styles - the teacher/training is far more important
Learn how to wrestle …atleast basically. So if someone tries to take you down you know how to properly defend that…and you will know how to take them down. Every street fight I have been in went to the ground and until I learned how to wrestle I would lose. Learning stand up fighting for street fighting rarely helps…if you have been in a street fight you will know how chaotic it can be…way to chaotic to be able to hold a real boxing or muay thai stance and intelligently trade shots.
Gun disarms, knife disarms, ball bats etc ARE easy, fast and effective if you train properly and have experience with REAL violence. If your still unsure of their effectiveness, it might be because you haven’t seen the light. Dont fret, most folks havent either. I think Bujutsuka makes a lot of valid statements, the problem on the internet is there is no common reference point. Agreeing to disagree might be the best place to start until eveyone can get together and exchange techniques and knowlege.
If you think disarming SEALs on a mat with handguns are a problem, try teaching them…lol The sillinest of that statement is that no one is undefeatable, no SEAL, no CIA, FBI operator, or SWAT team member. The right time and place, anyone can die.
I agree. He has a youtube vid that I really like that teaches self-defense against a knife. This technique is really the best there is for any knife attack:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
…If you want to learn a fighting style, then find the best, most reputable teacher you can and learn from him… [/quote]
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^^^Words of Wisdom. I hear few ever mention this. Only twice in this thread did I see it. Fighting, Self-Defense, etc. etc., whatever rant this thread turned into…is much more than a technique, specific discipline, or what have you…
[quote]tremad12 wrote:
Hey guys I’ve never posted in this section before but I had a question that pertains to combat sports. My college has a ton of fighting and martial arts clubs and I’m thinking of joining one of them.
I was wondering what type of martial arts or other combat style you guys would suggest that is relatively simple. I’m not looking for anything flashy or anything, just basic self defense that could be useable if ever needed. Thanks. [/quote]
What are your goals?
If it’s for self defense/street NOTHING is going to beat boxing. It’s essential to know how to punch properley if you want to survive a fight against a tough or multiple opponents. I know mma nubes will say: muay thai but nothing will teach you to hone your hands the way boxing will.
Some will say BJJ, well what are you going to do when the agressor has backup? pull guard while his friends stomp you in the head? No. You want to stand and bang, then get the hell out of there asap.
If for sport imo BJJ and judo are very fun. competitive, effective as a martial art and for a work-out and no risk of serious injury like in striking arts.
I’ve been doing Judo for just over a year and i’m loving it!
Although i agree that it’s equally important to find a reputable school.
Take a few classes (many have free trial classes) and if you enjoy the style, the atmosphere and teaching then stick with it. If not look around, since you say there are many you should eventually find something you really enjoy.
[quote]King Bling wrote:
Although i agree that it’s equally important to find a reputable school.
Take a few classes (many have free trial classes) and if you enjoy the style, the atmosphere and teaching then stick with it. If not look around, since you say there are many you should eventually find something you really enjoy.[/quote]
Agreed, however, here are a few other things to consider:
