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[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

Who cares, shut up…I’m diggin it

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

ya, its me actually. i just took it about 20mins ago. forgot to shave…sorry dude.

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[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

ya, its me actually. i just took it about 20mins ago. forgot to shave…sorry dude.[/quote]

u secksy, bro.

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[quote]GluteusGigantis wrote:
The content in this thread hits onto the interesting discussion of volume vs intensity.

There was recent discussion about this in the cell.

Two points on this.

I met a guy working out of a big Canadian research lab (led by Stu Phillips), and they have found that training for maximum volume at very high, and relatively low (30-40% max I believe) training loads (and MATCHING total volume) led to the same local muscle protein responses. His point was the total number of repetitions the low load group did was just insane compared to the high load group, but in the end, if you can equate the total volume you get the same local response.

I was also involved in helping out on some research (we ran the trainers and trainees) where it was found that the high volume group (8 sets) had the best gains compared to lower training volumes. Is the high volume prescription practical for everyone? No, they take forever.

My take is that if you are going to go for a volume approach, then you should really go for it and do as much as humanly possible, otherwise just try to go for one or two extremely hard-out working sets and move on (why I’m an advocate of DC training).

The middle ground (most gym people who ramp up, drop set down, never go balls to the wall heavy, try to do whole body/most of the body in 45 minutes) is where you’re going to fuck it up.

Happy training.

[/quote]

No, the “debate” here is about volume vs frequency. Pretty sure both side have high intensity. And until I see multiple IFBB bodybuilders produced by lifted super light weights with low intensity for hours on end, I will disregard that study entirely. Real world results trump what happens in a lab any day when it comes to training. Do you happen to be a particularly large/strong person if you don’t mind my asking?

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

I’ve taken home worse lookin chicks.

God I miss college.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

I’ve taken home worse lookin chicks.

God I miss college.[/quote]

oh god! beans, thats just sad. but ya, totally, me too.

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[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

I’ve taken home worse lookin chicks.

God I miss college.[/quote]

oh god! beans, thats just sad. but ya, totally, me too.[/quote]

The ugly ones are more willing to “experiment” right away.

Plus after enough booze, they are all 9’s

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

I’ve taken home worse lookin chicks.

God I miss college.[/quote]

oh god! beans, thats just sad. but ya, totally, me too.[/quote]

The ugly ones are more willing to “experiment” right away.

Plus after enough booze, they are all 9’s[/quote]

by “experiment”, you mean anal right?

just makin sure we are both on the same page here.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

I’ve taken home worse lookin chicks.

God I miss college.[/quote]

oh god! beans, thats just sad. but ya, totally, me too.[/quote]

The ugly ones are more willing to “experiment” right away.

Plus after enough booze, they are all 9’s[/quote]

I’ve been with some very attractive women and twice I almost wanted to tell them to leave within 10 minutes, it’s very disappointing.

Like literally this one really hot chick just got on top of me and dry humped me for like 15 minutes I was just like uhhhhhhhhhh this isn’t working. Then I had to undress myself because she wouldn’t…then I had to put her hand on my dick…I was like wtf woman. I ended up not even being able to get hard just b/c it totally killed the mood. I need to find a freak, perhaps a less attractive female is the key.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

I’ve taken home worse lookin chicks.

God I miss college.[/quote]

oh god! beans, thats just sad. but ya, totally, me too.[/quote]

The ugly ones are more willing to “experiment” right away.

Plus after enough booze, they are all 9’s[/quote]

I’ve been with some very attractive women and twice I almost wanted to tell them to leave within 10 minutes, it’s very disappointing.

Like literally this one really hot chick just got on top of me and dry humped me for like 15 minutes I was just like uhhhhhhhhhh this isn’t working. Then I had to undress myself because she wouldn’t…then I had to put her hand on my dick…I was like wtf woman. I ended up not even being able to get hard just b/c it totally killed the mood. I need to find a freak, perhaps a less attractive female is the key.[/quote]

No, you just need to play with 5 feet 18 Y/Os.

Hmm, who can that be? :wink:

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[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

I’ve taken home worse lookin chicks.

God I miss college.[/quote]

oh god! beans, thats just sad. but ya, totally, me too.[/quote]

The ugly ones are more willing to “experiment” right away.

Plus after enough booze, they are all 9’s[/quote]

I’ve been with some very attractive women and twice I almost wanted to tell them to leave within 10 minutes, it’s very disappointing.

Like literally this one really hot chick just got on top of me and dry humped me for like 15 minutes I was just like uhhhhhhhhhh this isn’t working. Then I had to undress myself because she wouldn’t…then I had to put her hand on my dick…I was like wtf woman. I ended up not even being able to get hard just b/c it totally killed the mood. I need to find a freak, perhaps a less attractive female is the key.[/quote]

No, you just need to play with 5 feet 18 Y/Os.

Hmm, who can that be? ;)[/quote]

If he’ll add a few inches, and a few years…I could be that lucky guy!! Who woulda thunk???

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

I’ve taken home worse lookin chicks.

God I miss college.[/quote]

oh god! beans, thats just sad. but ya, totally, me too.[/quote]

The ugly ones are more willing to “experiment” right away.

Plus after enough booze, they are all 9’s[/quote]

I’ve been with some very attractive women and twice I almost wanted to tell them to leave within 10 minutes, it’s very disappointing.

Like literally this one really hot chick just got on top of me and dry humped me for like 15 minutes I was just like uhhhhhhhhhh this isn’t working. Then I had to undress myself because she wouldn’t…then I had to put her hand on my dick…I was like wtf woman. I ended up not even being able to get hard just b/c it totally killed the mood. I need to find a freak, perhaps a less attractive female is the key.[/quote]

No, you just need to play with 5 feet 18 Y/Os.

Hmm, who can that be? ;)[/quote]

If he’ll add a few inches, and a few years…I could be that lucky guy!! Who woulda thunk???[/quote]

Well that takes me out of the running for Way.

You got him H4M. I’m too young and short for him apparently. It breaks my heart.

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[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:

Well that takes me out of the running for Way.

You got him H4M. I’m too young and short for him apparently. It breaks my heart.[/quote]

Well I know he’s always down for MMF…as long as all parties involved are 8’s or higher…

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

I’ve taken home worse lookin chicks.

God I miss college.[/quote]

oh god! beans, thats just sad. but ya, totally, me too.[/quote]

The ugly ones are more willing to “experiment” right away.

Plus after enough booze, they are all 9’s[/quote]

I’ve been with some very attractive women and twice I almost wanted to tell them to leave within 10 minutes, it’s very disappointing.

Like literally this one really hot chick just got on top of me and dry humped me for like 15 minutes I was just like uhhhhhhhhhh this isn’t working. Then I had to undress myself because she wouldn’t…then I had to put her hand on my dick…I was like wtf woman. I ended up not even being able to get hard just b/c it totally killed the mood. I need to find a freak, perhaps a less attractive female is the key.[/quote]

My top 2 sexual partners were both fat chicks.

Just something to think about.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]actionboy wrote:
probably gunna get bashed for this but i dont eat protein. ive gone from 110 lbs to 145 lbs (with muh shoes on) and my bench has skyrocketed from 2 lbs to 17 lbs. i was thinking about eating protein 2-3 times a week. what do you gheys think?[/quote]

I never it protein, dude. Ronnie Coleman doesnt either. Its one of those things everyone says you need but you dont. I survive on Arab Pussy, which has 0 protein.[/quote]

hahaha ronnie must have eaten his fair share of arab pussy then.

[/quote]

That’s definitely a man! EWWWWW[/quote]

I’ve taken home worse lookin chicks.

God I miss college.[/quote]

oh god! beans, thats just sad. but ya, totally, me too.[/quote]

The ugly ones are more willing to “experiment” right away.

Plus after enough booze, they are all 9’s[/quote]

I’ve been with some very attractive women and twice I almost wanted to tell them to leave within 10 minutes, it’s very disappointing.

Like literally this one really hot chick just got on top of me and dry humped me for like 15 minutes I was just like uhhhhhhhhhh this isn’t working. Then I had to undress myself because she wouldn’t…then I had to put her hand on my dick…I was like wtf woman. I ended up not even being able to get hard just b/c it totally killed the mood. I need to find a freak, perhaps a less attractive female is the key.[/quote]

What was your rep scheme? That was probably the problem.

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I think it was improper ramping, too eager so he skipped warming up etc.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

No, the “debate” here is about volume vs frequency. Pretty sure both side have high intensity. And until I see multiple IFBB bodybuilders produced by lifted super light weights with low intensity for hours on end, I will disregard that study entirely. Real world results trump what happens in a lab any day when it comes to training. Do you happen to be a particularly large/strong person if you don’t mind my asking?[/quote]

I don’t mind you asking. Currently I weigh in 214lbs and generally have strength levels that would be rated quite well. Apologies for misinterpreting your discussion as it seemed a comparison of very high volume achieved in a single session vs a frequency/intensity approach.

However, I don’t think the individual who trains for an excess period of time (the 2hour mark) one one muscle/muscle group is working at a high intensity throughout that time. Just because it is hard, and you are tired, doesn’t make it high intensity. It just makes it fatiguing and high volume, which is actually the argument of this guy out of Canada which he related into the amount of fatigue elicited in a weight session.

I asked the researcher the exact same question as to whether he thinks simply accumulating massive volume with light-moderate weight will lead to hypertrophy. He thinks it will based on their measurement model for what was happening with protein turnover in muscle (I disagreed, respectfully, he had lots of letters after his name). THis is also the research group that has shown hypertrophy isn’t dependent on the exercise hormonal response, but on muscle protein synthesis. Plus, their research is underpinning alot of the nutrition recommendations for how to use protein that sites like this and others are all using.

Wholesale slamming of research is ignorant, but I appreciate your frustrations (20g of protein per serving only? based on 70kg untrained individuals?? uh huh).

Still, if just getting fatigued and volume was the answer, shouldn’t we just all just hop on bikes and treadmills for hours at a time :wink:

Don’t you think ultramarathoners have awesome builds LOL

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[quote]GluteusGigantis wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

No, the “debate” here is about volume vs frequency. Pretty sure both side have high intensity. And until I see multiple IFBB bodybuilders produced by lifted super light weights with low intensity for hours on end, I will disregard that study entirely. Real world results trump what happens in a lab any day when it comes to training. Do you happen to be a particularly large/strong person if you don’t mind my asking?[/quote]

I don’t mind you asking. Currently I weigh in 214lbs and generally have strength levels that would be rated quite well. Apologies for misinterpreting your discussion as it seemed a comparison of very high volume achieved in a single session vs a frequency/intensity approach.

However, I don’t think the individual who trains for an excess period of time (the 2hour mark) one one muscle/muscle group is working at a high intensity throughout that time. Just because it is hard, and you are tired, doesn’t make it high intensity. It just makes it fatiguing and high volume, which is actually the argument of this guy out of Canada which he related into the amount of fatigue elicited in a weight session.

I asked the researcher the exact same question as to whether he thinks simply accumulating massive volume with light-moderate weight will lead to hypertrophy. He thinks it will based on their measurement model for what was happening with protein turnover in muscle (I disagreed, respectfully, he had lots of letters after his name). THis is also the research group that has shown hypertrophy isn’t dependent on the exercise hormonal response, but on muscle protein synthesis. Plus, their research is underpinning alot of the nutrition recommendations for how to use protein that sites like this and others are all using.

Wholesale slamming of research is ignorant, but I appreciate your frustrations (20g of protein per serving only? based on 70kg untrained individuals?? uh huh).

Still, if just getting fatigued and volume was the answer, shouldn’t we just all just hop on bikes and treadmills for hours at a time :wink:

Don’t you think ultramarathoners have awesome builds LOL

[/quote]

Ok, so when you say they don’t have “high” intensity you don’t mean they aren’t pushing their bodies to their limits each set, but instead are referring to how much force the body can actually produce 2 hours into a session? If that’s the case, I can see what you mean much better. When I think anything but “high intensity” I’m thinking we’re talking ending a set a rep or two short of failure…make sense?

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Absolutely makes sense :slight_smile: