Going Rogue

[Dustin]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Dustin wrote:

The press isn’t usually nice to anyone. I’m not sure what she expected.

The press was giving blowjobs to Obama on a daily basis.

She didn’t expect the viciousness.
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I’ve mentioned John Kerry already. Clinton was hammered too for getting his dick sucked. And while I admit that media loves Obama there are plenty of examples of Democrats being drilled by the media over the years.

By the way are you commenting on this thread not having watched her recent slough of interviews? I have a feeling you’re winging it here.

I have not seen them, but she has provided plenty of “material” for people to make judgements on her.

I did see some of her interviews and the media circus surrounding her leading up to the election, which is why I made the statement that she “appeared” to be clueless, whether that is true or not I don’t really care.

And to be frank, she is a politician that does not give a damn about my personal freedom. As I said previously, I have no use for her. You seem content on defending her from the “liberal media”. Keep up the good work.

And there were several instances, whether it be in debates or interviews, where she came off looking confused and unprepared. Whether that deserved the criticisms she received is up to you to decide.

I know you’re winging it now. I guess someone is going to have to write it on a spike and drive into your skull: her interviews were heavily edited to make her appear this way. Go read the transcripts I posted earlier in this thread. I honestly think you showed up to the game here without your bat and glove.

Dude, interviews are always edited on TV, but that still doesn’t explain her poor performance in her debate with Joe Biden, as an example. You can’t just chalk up her failings to some conspiracy by the media to ruin her. Once again, she has given us plenty of fodder to make reasonable judgements of her. She’s no rocket scientist if that is what you are trying to say.

Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul, both actual conservatives, have never been treated in the same manner as Sarah Palin by the media. How would you explain that?

Neither one was a nominee for President or Vice President. Neither one was just a few small percentage points from moving their chest of drawers to Number One Observatory Circle or the White House. C’mon man, you can’t be this…this…short of neurons between your ears, can you?

Umm, yes, Ron Paul ran for President in the primaries as a Republican. He was even on Faux News, of all places, several times. Buchanan was a political commentator for years before anyone ever heard of Sarah Palin.

Perhaps, but then again, I’m of the opinion that the mainstream media is totally worthless, so I don’t expect much out of them.

You’re sure prone to let them heavily influence you on Palin.

I very rarely use the so-called liberal media as a news source. I can tell you without a doubt, that my opinion of her was not influenced in any way by the mainstream media.

And I never really made my opinion of her known other than to say I have no use for her. You, on the other hand, have made it clear that you worship the ground she walks on, for some reason.

[Cockney_Blue]

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
I’m missing something.

This book is not some unauthorized Biography. Wouldn’t she and her publisher come up with the title?

Mufasa

Your publisher typically has control over the book title. They “suggest” it but if you don’t go for what they suggest, the chances of the book getting published are slim.

Sarah Palin just isn’t meant for an international stage. Not yet. She’s too naive, too “gee golly!” .[/quote]

Like any publisher would refuse to publish her book because of an argument over the title. They just see the dollar signs.

[Cockney_Blue]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
spurlock wrote:
pushharder wrote:

Well, she definitely represents a cross section of Montanans

Even Bozemanites and Missoulians?!

I knew you were joking around but at the same time you were right. Bozeman and Missoula host the two state universities and there’s no question many in academia, even in Montana, would go the Obama way.[/quote]

Education has a tendency to do that

[Cockney_Blue]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Christine wrote:
<<< The media butchered her simply because it was easy to do so. Television news outlets are out for ratings and are no more than entertainment. Palin generates good ratings… on both sides of the fence.

I’m no great Sarah Palin fan, but no they didn’t. They butchered her because she, rightly or wrongly represents traditional religious happily married women with a bunch of kids who don’t believe in killing them. An unspeakably evil demographic they’ve been trying to put in the grave for 40 plus years.

That’s not true. They butchered her because she had a handful of “gaffes” that made it appear, whether she is or not, to be a simple minded, country bumpkin that didn’t know where Alaska was on a map.

Her “gaffes” for the most part were a result of careful editing. She did make some mistakes but they were completely blown out of proportion by dishonest media types. Do you not follow along? Do you have your Ipod plugged in with some rap tunes going and you just plunge in and out of this thread between songs?

I have no use for her either way, but to say they butchered her because she has traditional values is totally incorrect.

If it was not her traditional values/conservatism and homespun persona then maybe you should enlighten us as to why she was butchered. Do be generous and share your carefully concocted and superior political insight.[/quote]

She was butchered because she was a VP candidate. The fact that the media clearly loved Obama didn’t help.

[Dustin]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Dustin wrote:

…Clinton was hammered too for getting his dick sucked…

I really am laughing that you attempted to seriously present this example in a comparative with Palin. This is really all I need to highlight in our little discussion to show you are out of touch on this subject and really grasping. You simply don’t belong here and your next comment about how you haven’t watched any of her recent interviews speaks volumes too.
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She was in the news all the fucking time during the election. Why do I have to keep running tabs on all her interviews to have a valid opinion on her?

Clinton was in the news all the time during BJ scandal. It was blown, no pun intended, way the hell out of proportion by the media. And there is no debating that. I also wasn’t comparing anyone else to poor Sarah, other than to point out that the media go after individuals of both parties. Feel free to think that there is a media conspiracy against her.

And I’ll post in whatever thread I feel like whether you say I belong or not. My opinion is just as valid as yours, if not more so, because I don’t have a hard-on for her. At least I’m objective.

I have not seen them, but she has provided plenty of “material” for people to make judgements on her.

But you said before you never get your information from the liberal media. So where did you come up with this material?

Actually, I said I rarely ever get info from the mainstream media. If you are going to quote me, do it accurately.

If I’m going to see where she stands on certain issues, I’m not going to watch dateline or whatever to figure it out. I’ll do my checking online.

With that said, I have seen her on my television before.

And to be frank, she is a politician that does not give a damn about my personal freedom.

Really now? Maybe you can elaborate?

She was the running mate of a guy who is half-crazy and not much different than President Bush. If you think voting for a Republican (or Democrat) is going to make you a free(er) individual then I have no more time for you.

[quote]
Dude, interviews are always edited on TV,

Wrong once again. Check out of this thread. You’re treading water hopelessly.[/quote]

Nah, there is no need to. You are implying that the big bad “liberal” media is out to get Sarah Palin. That there is a conspiracy.

Well, there isn’t.

And do you even realize why you are arguing with me? I get it, you love Sarah Palin, but I never said anything negative about her (on a personal level) other than what others perceive her to be. If others hate her, I can’t do anything about that and more importantly I don’t care.

But you keep up the good work exposing the “liberal media” conspiracy against Sarah Palin.

[Cockney_Blue]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

…She was butchered because she was a VP candidate. The fact that the media clearly loved Obama didn’t help.

Maybe you didn’t catch this on Mexican MSNBC but Biden was a VP candidate too BUT…[/quote]

Yes, I saw on the Mexican news all the coverage of the attacks on his daughter for alleged cocaine use

[KeepAwaySheeple]

pushharder -

you are making Dustin and the other anti-Palin people look truly ridiculous. Well, they are doing that on their own, but I’m glad you’re correcting their nonsense.

Keep fighting the good fight brother!

By the way push, I like her MAINLY because of who dislikes her too!!! (Hence my name)

[Sloth]

If you disagree with her you’re a sexist. Well, that’s what I heard from a friend who heard it from a friend’s-sister’s-husband’s-first cousin who happens to mow that Jimmy Carter’s lawn.

[spurlock]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
spurlock wrote:

Just some friendly advice from your neighborhood shmuck.

‘Schmuck’? Are you from Montana by way of New Joisey?

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Nope…by way of vagina.

[spurlock]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
spurlock wrote:
pushharder wrote:

Bottom line is you hit the wrong nerve on the wrong night. I might tell more about it here or on another thread. It’s a doozy, trust me. And it has nothing to do with TN or this topic.

I’ve been thinking about my initial reaction during this whole conversation and have realized that it was more or less an automatic response, instead of an intelligent, well-thought out criticism…basically, I was trying to find correlation where there probably was none.

To be honest, I really don’t know much of anything about Palin, specifically (of course, other than the general bullshit presented from media). She became sort of an abstraction for me during the campaign and instead of looking into it, like I usually do (since I have zero social life), I lumped her into the ‘politician’ caricature.

That’s the funny thing about reactions (not instincts)…usually they’re fucking wrong.

That’s how the Dem brainwash machine works. You got the slut from Saturday Night Live implanted in your brain and, like an unthinking robot, pulled the lever for Obama (Obama is a proto-fascist who studied mind manipulation techniques.)

That’s how you get idiots to support the massive spending (like on healthcare). No sane person would support spending trillions more when we’re 55 trillion in the hole already. Get people to suspend their rationality. The Dens got that from the Nazis.

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No. My impression of her was a charicature. She is in government, so she automatically gets lumped with the other scum who feed off of taxes. Its probably makes me wrong about the exceptions from the rule, but in practice, it seems to work far more than it fails.

And I am the last person in the world to support spending…hell, I dont even support the State in principle.

[Dustin]

[quote]KeepAwaySheeple wrote:
pushharder -

you are making Dustin and the other anti-Palin people look truly ridiculous. Well, they are doing that on their own, but I’m glad you’re correcting their nonsense.

Keep fighting the good fight brother!

By the way push, I like her MAINLY because of who dislikes her too!!! (Hence my name) :)[/quote]

You are as bad as Push at reading comprehension. I have said it numerous times, I have no use for her either way. She is a Republican, which is the same as Democrat to me.

You are correct, that is an accurate name for you. Keep voting Republican!

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[Dustin]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Dustin wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Dustin wrote:

…Clinton was hammered too for getting his dick sucked…

I really am laughing that you attempted to seriously present this example in a comparative with Palin. This is really all I need to highlight in our little discussion to show you are out of touch on this subject and really grasping. You simply don’t belong here and your next comment about how you haven’t watched any of her recent interviews speaks volumes too.

She was in the news all the fucking time during the election.

I thought you “rarely” got your information from the news, the mainstream media? You sure make it easy to pick you apart. You’re all over the place. You’re lost. You need to do some streamlining.
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She was in the news all the time. Yes, and? Independent news sources covered the election just as the mainstream. How is that incompatible to what I said? You are trying way too hard to make yourself look “right”. You are aware that not everyone watches TV and then goes TN to regurgitate it, right?

Why do I have to keep running tabs on all her interviews to have a valid opinion on her?

So you can approach the “objective” [cough] galaxy as you state below.

One of us has fallen all over themselves to defend a fucking Republican politician while also claiming to be a “libertarian”. The other has simply pointed out that said politician probably didn’t put off the best first impression and that there is no media conspiracy to ruin her.

Which individual sounds more objective to you?

And there is no debating that. I also wasn’t comparing anyone else to poor Sarah, other than to point out that the media go after individuals of both parties inequitably…

Fixed.

…At least I’m objective.

LOL, if you say so, buddy.

See above. You have a hard-on for her, I don’t.

If I’m going to see where she stands on certain issues, I’m not going to watch dateline or whatever to figure it out. I’ll do my checking online.

But…but…but…you said in this same post, “She was in the news all the fucking time during the election,” the implication being you gathered your “material” there. You are quite the wobbly character. You sure you want to continue to expose your ineptness?

Senility is setting in I see. I get my info from a number of sources. I have said that numerous times. I haven’t contradicted myself. The only thing I see wobbly is your reading comprehension.

She was the running mate of a guy who is half-crazy and not much different than President Bush. If you think voting for a Republican (or Democrat) is going to make you a free(er) individual then I have no more time for you.

McCain may be a lot of things, things that I disagree with, but to describe him as “half-crazy” puts you in rank amateur status as a political commentator. Junior high school.

He is a senile old man. His foreign policy would have been a continuation of the previous administration. Crazy is an excellent way to describe him.

For the record I tend to vote Libertarian and Constitution Party.

That seems hard to believe given your support of Republicans in the PWI forum.

Dude, interviews are always edited on TV,

Wrong once again. Check out of this thread. You’re treading water hopelessly.

Nah, there is no need to. You are implying that the big bad “liberal” media is out to get Sarah Palin. That there is a conspiracy.

Well, there isn’t.

Naive. Ignorant.

[Edit] Besides, how would you know? You repeatedly claimed you take nothing from the mainstream media.

Nice try Push. I know there isn’t a conspiracy because I understand how the media works. It’s a Corporate structure and it functions just as Haliburton or any other Corporation.

But if it makes you feel better to keep claiming the media is out to ruin our little hockey mom, then go for it.

And do you even realize why you are arguing with me?

Because I enjoy exposing hypocrisy and poor reasoning skills.

Hypocrisy? What are you talking about? You are just making stuff up now. My reasoning skills are fine. I’m not claiming that there is a media conspiracy to ruin Sarah Palin. That was you. Did you forget already?

[quote]
I have lots of reinforcements. Makes it easier. However, in your case I surely don’t need them. It’s easy to slap an intellectual “kid” around.[/quote]

I wouldn’t be bragging about intellectual skill if I were you. Claiming a media conspiracy isn’t the best leg to stand on for an argument.