Why not set a goal of 200 before 250? Otherwise, you may become too focused on gaining just weight and it won’t be all quality weight…
You may not want to be 250 once you reach like 220…
[quote]bking wrote:
elnyka wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
I know other people will chime in with their opinions, but I really think that 250 on someone your height will be an ugly ugly thing.
Best of luck though -lol
S
I kinda agree with your second to last sentence, but that’s just a guesstimation (wtf do I know about these things.) Not to hijack bking’s thread, but it poses a question:
What would his ideal max size/weight would be, for someone that is 5’8"? Or for someone like me (5’6" currently at 170lbs)? By “ideal max size” I mean something that can be achieved naturally, with hard, intelligent work and sound nutrition and that, at least does not make one a fucking ugly fatstruocity?
I hear that Dexter Jackson’s off season weight is 250 and 235 contest and he’s 5’6 and HUGE!!![/quote]
Are those stats natural? BTW, I’m not implying anything negative, Jackson’s looks not just huge but awesome. But I’m interested in any stats per height, natural, if such stats are even possible to compile, or even guesstimate. Sorry to hijack your thread dude 
[quote]bking wrote:
Yeah and you know, your exactly right 
If I choose to go the natural route I expect myself to be 250 at the END of the bulk at around 23% bf and cutting down to around 225 then I’ll work from there. If I choose to get bigger I’ll use steroids but thats for another day but I’d rather have a good foundation to start with before using them.
Wow, maybe you should play the lottery, if you know you’ll be around 23% BF
5’8 250 is fuckin huge
Lol im just guessing lol.
As far the 250 pounds goes I was reading one of Dante’s articles on nutrition and that shit got me pumped. The reason I want to ramp my calories up so quickly is I want to get big NOW!!! Its just my personality, its not a bad thing but IT IS obsessive. What I’m thinking is if get my weight to 250 arnd 23% to 25% I can get myself to a lean 225 and that would be the fastest strategy to get there.
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I think you are very motivated but there is no BIG NOW in BB. In BB, a great physique is built over time with well thought and carried out training and diet. You should not dwell on just body weight but also on muscular development in the right places to get that BB look. I don’t know you training background or have a recent pic but I take it from your post that you are relatively knew to BB, so go to a few natural BB shows and look at the open class winners at your height. That will give you an idea of what you might expect to reach with hard smart training over the YEARS.
[quote]bking wrote:
Hey guys the 250+ pounds goal is a long term goal. I started a bulk at 5’8 165 pounds 9% bodyfat exactly 41 days ago. Currently I weigh 180 lbs. at 11% bodyfat. My short term goal is to get to 200 pounds 4 months from now (hopefully less) with a long term goal of 250+ pounds at around ~24 years of age (yet again hopefully less).
Currently my diet consists 4,000 calories and 200 grams of protein a day ( I peaked at 4,500 calories a while ago but decided to deload a little to slow my metabolism down and give myself a break before my next peak of 5000 calories). I pm’ed prof x some questions about his calorie intake today and he said when he is on “an all out bulk” he takes in around 7,000 calories a day which is what I’m willing to do if thats what it takes.
My stats are 25.75 in legs, 16 in arms, 43 in chest just in case you were wondering.
So here are my questions…
1.Do you think I should slowly increase my calorie intake to 7,000 calories over time or should I take time between bulks to lower my calorie intake and to slow my metabolism down and lose fat in order to prepare for my next bulk?
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What carb to fat ratio would give me the fastest weight/muscle gains? (Im not worried about gaining fat but instead looking at the long term goal and getting there as quick as possible) Currently my fat to carb ratio is 50/50.
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How would I go about getting my calorie intake up over time as I get closer and closer to 7,000 calories? Would I eat clean or would I do the best I can to get the calories in? A large pizza a day would be like 4,200 calories plus a gallon of whole milk would be like 2,500 calories. (4,200+2,500=6,700)Or would I eat cleaner and eat a higher volume of food and allow my stomach to expand.
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What do you guys think of my protein intake? I’ve been focusing mainly on carbs and fats lately with the reasoning that I have a high metabolism and thus I should focus on those two nutrients the most in order to allow me to gain muscle/ weight.
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What are some other foods I can try that are nutrient dense and will help me pack the weight on in case I decide to eat dirtier?
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Lastly, for you big guys that have achieved my long term goal or are in pursuit of it like me, give me your best advice and things that you have learned that have helped you with your goal pertaining to your diet.
Thanks
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So you know - putting on 20lbs of pure muscle tissue in 4 months is impossible.
Putting on 20lbs of weight in 4 months is absolutely possible however.
i understand your motivation from the results you have seen so far - but be warned, not only does that not last for long, but i suspect more of the gain has been fat and water than you know.
If you eat 7000kcals at your size then you WILL get nothing but fat (sure you will gain muscle but at no faster rate than 4000kcals would provide).
I cannot speak for mr X but for the vast majority of humans on the planet, more calories does not always equal more muscle.
It is not the case that muscle is built in proportion to caloric intake.
There is a finite rate that you can build muscle, and if you reach that at 4000kcals - adding another 3000kcsals will NOT build it faster.
The only time i have ever heard of a bodybuilder eating 7000kcals also included the use of AAS (and T3 to increase the metabolism of said calories). Now i have no idea as to the professors choice when it comes to drugs - but either way, he is NOT you and simply copying the amount of calories HE needs to gain weight on an already massive physique is not what you need to do for you.
Now - seeing as you are also asking if you are to eat those seven thousand calories with a clean diet tells me you have very little experience in bulking and calories in general.
That said, while eating 7000 clean cals is out of the question - also is eating a 4500kcal pizza (WTF? Must be made in America…).
Next - you ask if you should slow your metabolism down between bulks (by eating less) in order to burn some fat.
I assume you have taken the fact that eating increases the metabolism, thus the more calories you eat the faster your metabolism and the less you eat the slower?
If so then i suggest you read up on the physiology of human metabolism (google it) - you got confused along the way there.
Enough of all that -
The most calorie dense food is fat - not sure if you know that. So the best way to add straight calories to your day is the inclusion of fats. Many guys drink EVOO and i have done also (albeit when on a restricted CHO diet).
The ratio of energy supplying macros depneds on your specifically - with the limited info you gave 50:50 sounds about right… i would restrict carbs a little more if you are supersizing the calories though - although if you are attempting a number around the 7000kcal mark you will truly need all you can get from all sources.
If you gain at 4000kcals - then i understand the temptation to jump to 5, 6 or 7000kcals, but it doesn’t work like that (i’m afraid). As i said, there is a finite speed at which protein synthesis takes place and besides which you don’t ‘store’ muscle 9as simply ramping calories to build more would suggest) - however you certainly do store fat and at 7000kcals on your frame, you mosdef will.
A good range to add size is 20kcals x bodyweight.
If you want to push that to an upper level, then try 20kcals x goal bodyweight.
This way, as you get bigger - the calorie intake increases, as it should.
Of course having periods of significantly higher intake and maintenance will assist too - as you said it stimulates the metabolism, but i suggest you avoid 7000kcal for the next 10 years.
Long post i know - but there are a lot of issues there to work with 
Good luck - and don’t stop, you will get there!
[quote]elnyka wrote:
bking wrote:
elnyka wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
I know other people will chime in with their opinions, but I really think that 250 on someone your height will be an ugly ugly thing.
Best of luck though -lol
S
I kinda agree with your second to last sentence, but that’s just a guesstimation (wtf do I know about these things.) Not to hijack bking’s thread, but it poses a question:
What would his ideal max size/weight would be, for someone that is 5’8"? Or for someone like me (5’6" currently at 170lbs)? By “ideal max size” I mean something that can be achieved naturally, with hard, intelligent work and sound nutrition and that, at least does not make one a fucking ugly fatstruocity?
I hear that Dexter Jackson’s off season weight is 250 and 235 contest and he’s 5’6 and HUGE!!!
Are those stats natural? BTW, I’m not implying anything negative, Jackson’s looks not just huge but awesome. But I’m interested in any stats per height, natural, if such stats are even possible to compile, or even guesstimate. Sorry to hijack your thread dude
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No, Dexter Jackson is not natural! Jackson is one of the best bodybuilders on the planet.
This guy will be as good as him before he reaches 25 at this rate! lol! Natty too!
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
- A very simple solution to getting your calories up is having several whey protein shakes mixed with several tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil. Tons of calories from all good fats.
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Would you be able to mix the olive oil with whey and milk, or would it have to be water?
Also how much oil would you recommend putting in each shake?
[quote]BeefKing wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
- A very simple solution to getting your calories up is having several whey protein shakes mixed with several tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil. Tons of calories from all good fats.
Would you be able to mix the olive oil with whey and milk, or would it have to be water?
Also how much oil would you recommend putting in each shake?[/quote]
I usually do it with water, I imagine it would taste kind of funky with milk.
Well I usually do 75 g whey and 4-5 tbsps of oil. You will probably only want to start with 1-2 tbsps though until you get used to it or you will be shitting all day
Hey guys sorry about the late post. As far as me taking in 7,000 calories, Im talking about when I get closer to 250 lbs. However my short term goal is 200 for now and as many of you guys have suggested I should try to gain weight at a slower pace rather than getting there in 4 months. Im keeping my calories high however (4,000-4,500) because im not gaining much fat. To give you an idea of my progress my bench press at 165 9% bf was 195 for 5 reps. Now at 180 11% bf my bench is 240 for 5 reps in a 41 day period. Im just saying why slow down the progress(calorie intake) if my gains are mostly lean? I know gains won’t be like this forever but if I start to add too much fat I will adjust my calorie intake accordingly thats all im saying.
That is not what you said before - but regardless it is what you are saying now and i agree.
If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it.
Also - how tall are you?
FYI the 200 pound goal in 4 months is still on. It’s a lofty goal I know but I made it that way to push myself to see progress. Will I get it probably not but I’m going to try. Update on my diet status I decided to do maintenance calories for a little while before doing another calorie spike to lose a little fat as well as to keep myself sane however I will keep trying to push more and more iron around. I will definately post a new thread when I reach 200 pounds as well as tell you how I measured up to my goal of 200 pounds in 4 months… to be continued.
[quote] Brook wrote:
That is not what you said before - but regardless it is what you are saying now and i agree.
If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it.
Also - how tall are you?[/quote]
5’8. I don’t know what I said before but I was looking more down the road when I get closer to 250 and if I needed to eat dirty in order to get 7,000 calories in. I know Jay cutler has a “pretty clean” diet of 7,000 calories but I don’t know if I will have the appetite to be able to do that IF AND WHEN that time comes.
For what it’s worth bking, I eat about 5500 a day and I’m 290, so don’t get too focused on this 7k number.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I really think that 250 on someone your height will be an ugly ugly thing.
Best of luck though -lol
S
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[quote]bking wrote:
5’8. I don’t know what I said before but I was looking more down the road when I get closer to 250 and if I needed to eat dirty in order to get 7,000 calories in. I know Jay cutler has a “pretty clean” diet of 7,000 calories but I don’t know if I will have the appetite to be able to do that IF AND WHEN that time comes.[/quote]
Why are you even thinking about what you’ll need to eat when you are close to 250 when you are nowhere near it now?
You have serious issues if you’re concerned with what Jay Cutler eats when you are only 180 lb.
Focus on what you need to do to make gains now.
[quote] Brook wrote:
So you know - putting on 20lbs of pure muscle tissue in 4 months is impossible.[/quote]
How much is possible, sir?
[quote]Producer wrote:
Brook wrote:
So you know - putting on 20lbs of pure muscle tissue in 4 months is impossible.
How much is possible, sir?[/quote]
I’m glad you pointed that out. That is NOT impossible. Whether YOU have the genetics to do that is a different story.
I am not sure why people think everyone has the same genetics. People must have grown up around no genetic freaks at all to think that way.
250 pounds at 5’8…Do you really need to bulk that much to get a cut 220 lbs?
You gotta think to urself whether you really want to pursue this goal; don’t get too obsessed.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Producer wrote:
Brook wrote:
So you know - putting on 20lbs of pure muscle tissue in 4 months is impossible.
How much is possible, sir?
I’m glad you pointed that out. That is NOT impossible. Whether YOU have the genetics to do that is a different story.
I am not sure why people think everyone has the same genetics. People must have grown up around no genetic freaks at all to think that way.[/quote]
I agree that 20 lbs is possible for a 16 yr old undernourished untrained genetic freak who suddenly learned to eat and train correctly, but to give that goal to the average trainer is setting him up for failure and possibly fat, injured, and overtrained.
Just my opinion.
[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Producer wrote:
Brook wrote:
So you know - putting on 20lbs of pure muscle tissue in 4 months is impossible.
How much is possible, sir?
I’m glad you pointed that out. That is NOT impossible. Whether YOU have the genetics to do that is a different story.
I am not sure why people think everyone has the same genetics. People must have grown up around no genetic freaks at all to think that way.
I agree that 20 lbs is possible for a 16 yr old undernourished untrained genetic freak who suddenly learned to eat and train correctly, but to give that goal to the average trainer is setting him up for failure and possibly fat, injured, and overtrained.
Just my opinion.[/quote]
I wasn’t giving that goal to the op or anyone else. I am simply tired of people acting like no one on Earth can do things like that.
As far as I know, Kingbeef on this site has beaten nearly every statement of progress from anyone else near his level over the past year or so. Most would claim that is “impossible” too.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
250 pounds at 5’8…Do you really need to bulk that much to get a cut 220 lbs?
You gotta think to urself whether you really want to pursue this goal; don’t get too obsessed.[/quote]
Just to make it clear, it is not uncommon at all for bodybuilders to be up to 50lbs over their contest weight when not competing. No one walks around in literal contest shape all year long and if you plan on being a ripped “220lbs” you had better be a relatively lean 240 or more first unless you have outrageous genetics for lean muscle gains.
This has nothing to do with the goals of the OP.