Going Banana's in '09

I simply think you’re eating too much. Even when you’ve been fairly on-point, you’ve had periods of time where your diet sucked.

I firmly believe that fat loss improves dramatically the longer one is in a Caloric deficit; that is to say, one or two days of low Calories after a period of higher Calories doesn’t lead to linear fat loss.

Rather, over some time while operating in a Caloric deficit, insulin levels decrease, glucagon levels rise, and the body becomes better at using bodyfat for fuel.

I think a couple of things are going on with you:

1)You may be eating more than you think you are. I think you should take a few days, a week, whatever, and weigh everything you eat on a digital scale and make sure that you are eating what you are supposed to be eating. An underestimation of just a few hundred Calories per day can prohibit fat loss if you are trying to operate within a relatively small Caloric deficit.

2)Like I talked about above, you haven’t operated within a Caloric deficit (or a large enough one) for a long enough period of time to become efficient at fat loss. You are really concerned with strength and I’ve talked about this previously, that can be a good thing but it can also hurt fat loss progress. You write about eating more meals because of deadlifting , etc - you gotta cut that shit out. Stick to the plan and don’t justify eating more because you did some big lifts.

You can do this A LITTLE BIT once you’re “rolling” in the fat loss category - that is, once the weight is coming off (and at your level of fatness I think you should be dropping an inch off your waist every 1-2 weeks at least) you can have a day where your Calories are spiked a little bit, but you have to sorta enter that fat loss environment, first.

I think you need something to kick start your ass in gear. Check out Bricknyce’s thread, and read the whole thing. I think you should use that approach for a couple of weeks, drop some quick fat, and then maybe adopt a more moderate approach that you stay consistent with (remember weigh your foods so as to be accurate with your nutrition) and I think you’ll be progressing much faster.

Here is his thread: http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/diet_performance_nutrition_supplements/rapid_fat_loss_vs_over_vdiet?pageNo=2#2975881

You should be a lot farther along than you are. It sounds like you’re in the process of getting it together, but that should have been done a while ago.

You have the consistency with regards to training. But if you’re inconsistent, or you off base on your diet, you won’t get there.

Good luck.

Newdamage-

I think Scott has finally figured out that fat loss is 95% about diet (based on the last several days). Hopefully he keeps up this mentality. Scott, you fucking know what to do.

[quote]jbird643 wrote:
Newdamage-

I think Scott has finally figured out that fat loss is 95% about diet (based on the last several days). Hopefully he keeps up this mentality. Scott, you fucking know what to do. [/quote]

I think he’s known it all along. I just think he hasn’t consistently done what he’s needed to do to achieve it, day in and day out.

Hence my attempt to hammer it home. He’ll get there, though.

bananas, listen to NewDamage, he knows what he’s talking about. If you’re worried about fat loss, then just accept that you might lose some strength. In the long run, though, I think you’ll be happier if you achieve the body comp that you’re after.

Yeah I wouldn’t be eating much more than 2200kcal even on higher intensity training days, under 2000 on non-training days, and then every couple weeks, go down a little more, and a little more. Just basic diet principles.

Stay with it man!

09.20 Wake up

09.25
2 thermopure
4 fish oil
1 multi
1 capsule berroca

09.50 MEAL 1
4 boiled eggs
butter - trying to reduce this to the bare minimum as its soooo calorie dense.

11.30 MEAL 2
whey/casein shake
5g BCAA
3g Beta analine

4 fish oil

12.00 GYM

Power Cleans
60kg x5
80kg x3
90kg x3
95kg 2x3
95kg x2 - raging i missed the last rep

Hang Snatches
40kg x5
60kg 3x3

Snatch Complex:
Overhead Squat → Hang Snatch → Snatch High Pull → Snatch Deadlift
30kg x5
40kg 4x5

Wasnt as hard as yesterdays but was still pretty brutal. 50kg on this next week i think.

Cross Trainer
30mins Fat burn

During
4 Litres of water
15g BCAA

14.00 MEAL 3
whey shake
10g BCAA
5g CEE
1.5g Beta analine

4 fish oil
1 glucosamine

16.00 MEAL 4
2 tins of tuna
mayo
spring onion

16.30-18.00 Playing rugby/wolleyball in the park (Cardio) :wink:

18.45 MEAL 5
1 Hot dog Sausage.

20.30 MEAL 6
Whey/Casein shake
10g BCAA

4 fish oil

21.00-23.00 Cinema

23.30 MEAL 7
Casein shake
10g BCAA
4 fish oil
3 ZMA

00.00 BED

Cals 1990
Carbs 11.9
Protein 236
Fat 107

Today was pretty good… not as many hunger pangs as yesterday. but pretty much the same sort of workout and cals. hopefully thats a good sign. Next few days will be a test as im working 3 nights on the trot… Looking forward to pics/measurements this week. Im determined for at elast an inch from the waist. and definite visual changes.

[quote]NewDamage wrote:
I simply think you’re eating too much. Even when you’ve been fairly on-point, you’ve had periods of time where your diet sucked.

I firmly believe that fat loss improves dramatically the longer one is in a Caloric deficit; that is to say, one or two days of low Calories after a period of higher Calories doesn’t lead to linear fat loss.

Rather, over some time while operating in a Caloric deficit, insulin levels decrease, glucagon levels rise, and the body becomes better at using bodyfat for fuel.

I think a couple of things are going on with you:

1)You may be eating more than you think you are. I think you should take a few days, a week, whatever, and weigh everything you eat on a digital scale and make sure that you are eating what you are supposed to be eating. An underestimation of just a few hundred Calories per day can prohibit fat loss if you are trying to operate within a relatively small Caloric deficit.

2)Like I talked about above, you haven’t operated within a Caloric deficit (or a large enough one) for a long enough period of time to become efficient at fat loss. You are really concerned with strength and I’ve talked about this previously, that can be a good thing but it can also hurt fat loss progress. You write about eating more meals because of deadlifting , etc - you gotta cut that shit out. Stick to the plan and don’t justify eating more because you did some big lifts.

You can do this A LITTLE BIT once you’re “rolling” in the fat loss category - that is, once the weight is coming off (and at your level of fatness I think you should be dropping an inch off your waist every 1-2 weeks at least) you can have a day where your Calories are spiked a little bit, but you have to sorta enter that fat loss environment, first.

I think you need something to kick start your ass in gear. Check out Bricknyce’s thread, and read the whole thing. I think you should use that approach for a couple of weeks, drop some quick fat, and then maybe adopt a more moderate approach that you stay consistent with (remember weigh your foods so as to be accurate with your nutrition) and I think you’ll be progressing much faster.

Here is his thread: http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/diet_performance_nutrition_supplements/rapid_fat_loss_vs_over_vdiet?pageNo=2#2975881

You should be a lot farther along than you are. It sounds like you’re in the process of getting it together, but that should have been done a while ago.

You have the consistency with regards to training. But if you’re inconsistent, or you off base on your diet, you won’t get there.

Good luck. [/quote]

I agree with everything youve said…

On the weighing food front, ive dropped the mass produced chilli concarne as I was guessing how much i was eating, although i think i was fairly accurate.

You right i should be a lot further along the road. Live and learn and ive fucking learnt.

I checked out that thread… that should be me. Its another kick up the arse that i need.

I think 1900 calories is doable. Im not overly fatigued or anything in the mornings. I do get tired at night and some bad ass hunger pangs. But i just neck some water and go to bed. which is good on many fronts; get better/more sleep and im not sitting up procrastinating and then eating.

Plus i think tuna has become my new best friend, 0g carbs. 110 cals a tin. and filling. awesome.

As always cheers for the advice and the kick up the arse, im a stubborn excuse making fiend. but im working on it.

Scott

[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
bananas, listen to NewDamage, he knows what he’s talking about. If you’re worried about fat loss, then just accept that you might lose some strength. In the long run, though, I think you’ll be happier if you achieve the body comp that you’re after.

Yeah I wouldn’t be eating much more than 2200kcal even on higher intensity training days, under 2000 on non-training days, and then every couple weeks, go down a little more, and a little more. Just basic diet principles.

Stay with it man![/quote]

I think i finally have…

Im look at this way; if i loose a good bit of weight il actually be getting stronger as ill be going into lower weight classes but my lifts should still stay around the same… :smiley:

Cheers for stopping by. You seem to have it all dielled in aswell <<< good luck
Scott

[quote]jbird643 wrote:
Newdamage-

I think Scott has finally figured out that fat loss is 95% about diet (based on the last several days). Hopefully he keeps up this mentality. Scott, you fucking know what to do. [/quote]

Its being done.

10.00 Wake up - 2 interruption in my sleep. piss at 4am, mate saying good bye at 8.30. :S

10.10
4 fish oil
2 thermopure
1 multi
5mg seregeline
1 capsule berroca

10.30 MEAL 1
4 boiled eggs
butter

12.00 GYM
Bench
60kg 2x5
80kg x5
90kg 3x5

Military Press
60kg 3x5

Rope Pull Downs
40kg 3x10

Tricep Press downs
35kg 4x12

During
10g BCAA
2L Water

Such a shit and unmotivated training session. I was tired as fuck. I think it has to do with a shit nights sleep and maybe the fact im trying to hit the gym with only one meal in me so i can have an extra meal later in the day when the hunger pangs start to kick in.

12.45 MEAL 2
whey shake
10g BCAA
5g CEE
3g Beta analine

14.00 MEAL 3
2 tins of tuna
mayo
spring onion

15.30 MEAL 4
Hot dog Sausage

15.45 - 18.30 Coffee Date/ shopping (NEPA)

19.00 MEAL 5
Hot Dog Sausage

20.45 MEAL 6
1/2 whey/casein shake
10g BCAA
4 fish oil

2100-23.30 Working (NEPA)

00.00 MEAL 7
Casein shake
10g BCAA

4 fish oil
3 ZMA

00.30 BED

Cals 1950
Carbs 8.9
Protein 192
Fat 126

Too much fat in relation to protein in my opinion, but awesome on the carbs. Feeling really happy today. It was raining/spitting when i was working and i was genuinely happy to be out walking about in the rain talking to people. Can only assume that is down to the dephynol as low cals and hunger usually make me lethargic and grumpy.

10.00 Wake up

10.30
4 fish oil
2 thermopure
1 multi
1 capsule berroca

11.15 MEAL 1
4 boiled eggs
no butter

12.00- 14.00 Shopping (NEPA)

13.30 MEAL 2
1 tin of tuna
mayo
spring onion

4 fish oil

16.00 MEAL 3
Hot dog sausage

17.20 MEAL 4
whey/casein shake
10g BCAA
5g CEE
3g Beta analine

4 fish oil
2 thermopure
1 Spike pill

17.30 GYM

Deads
20kg x5
60kg x5
100kg x3
140kg x3
180kg 4x6

Felt fucking awesome, i thought id be slow or tired cuz of the low cals. but i was ALIVE. so…

200kg x3 - unhitched PB
210kg x3 - unhitched PB
220kg x2 - unhitched PB - got a video, will link later.

Fuck YEA!!!

Power Shrugs from knee
140kg x8
160kg x8
180kg x8

DB ROW
50kg DB 4x8, 1x12

19.30 MEAL 5
Whey shake
10g BCAA
5g CEE
1.5g Beta analine

4 fish oil
1 glucosamine

20.30 MEAL 6
Hot Dog sausage

21.00-23.30 Working (NEPA)

00.00 MEAL 7
Casein shake
10g BCAA

4 fish oil
3 ZMA

Cals 1850
Carbs 9.4
Protein 202
Fat 112

Awesome day in the gym, first time back in training with my partners, and i was amped to the max. loving the buzz off Spike and pulling an unhitched double 220 is awesome. I couldnt pull a 220 single a few weeks ago when i was eating more. and ive lost roughly 4 kilos and nearly 2 inchs on the gut so far. :smiley: Really looking forward to the pics tomorrow. I was 123kilos on the scales in the gym. Thats after 4 meals and loads of water. :smiley:

And im definatly feeling “happy” effects from the noops. Think ive found the sweet spot of 5mg EOD for now. :smiley:

What kind of protein are you using that has such a low amount of carbs in it?

[quote]VikeSpike wrote:
What kind of protein are you using that has such a low amount of carbs in it?[/quote]

Casein - www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-powders/protein-powders/instant-milk-protein/

Whey - www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-supplies/unflavoured-protein/impact-whey-protein-(unflavoured)/

a shake is just over 3g carbs… i use 2x30g scoops for a “whey shake” and a “casein shake”

and then 1 40g scoop of each for a “Whey/casein shake”.

Scott-

You’ve inspired me to start my own log on T-Nation! Keep up the good work.

Did you stay on track with your diet today?

-Justin

[quote]jbird643 wrote:
Scott-

You’ve inspired me to start my own log on T-Nation! Keep up the good work.

Did you stay on track with your diet today?

-Justin[/quote]

Damn right i did… Just about to go make my 00.00 Shake, pills at the ready, might stick on a film and then sleepy time.

[quote]thosebananas wrote:
jbird643 wrote:
Scott-

You’ve inspired me to start my own log on T-Nation! Keep up the good work.

Did you stay on track with your diet today?

-Justin

Damn right i did… Just about to go make my 00.00 Shake, pills at the ready, might stick on a film and then sleepy time.[/quote]

Good for you man, only good things can happen now. Keep it up and let me know if there’s anything I should change in my program.

[quote]jbird643 wrote:
thosebananas wrote:
jbird643 wrote:
Scott-

You’ve inspired me to start my own log on T-Nation! Keep up the good work.

Did you stay on track with your diet today?

-Justin

Damn right i did… Just about to go make my 00.00 Shake, pills at the ready, might stick on a film and then sleepy time.

Good for you man, only good things can happen now. Keep it up and let me know if there’s anything I should change in my program.

[/quote]

I did… have a read.

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