[quote]H factor wrote:
When believers are calling a movie about God predictable, cliche, and stereotypical it doesn’t want me as an agnostic to rush out and see if it fits that bill or not. [/quote]
No need to rush out, but it is only a few bucks and a little of your time. Just think of how you could shut the mouths of your critics by just going to see it. Oh how fair minded and credible you would then be. I’m being serious.
I did this very thing recently with “Noah”. I never go to the movies. (wadda waste of life) A couple folks I trust, one in particular, said it was an abhorrent, grotesque mangling of the biblical narrative. I expected that from Hollywood. It was the world loving, entertainment worshiping backslidden church I was knocking foreheads with. That’s all I heard. “YOU HAVEN’T EVEN SEEN it!!”
So I reluctantly went n saw it. My friend was right, as I also expected and now that weapon is gone.
I knew it was long shot, but it doesn’t look I’m gonna get what I was after. I’ll hold out a little longer.
Jeaton, I wanted to talk to you about sumthin that has nuthin to do with this. You know where I’m at if you are so inclined.
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I have one critic in this thread and that is a person who hasn’t even acknowledged (in fact no one has) the criticisms from believers on the movie.
I’ve also got a full time job, a wedding coming up in 60 days, and two educational classes. My time is valuable and nothing I have read from believers makes me think this is a good movie to watch as a non believer. I haven’t even touched what agnostics such as myself may believe about the film. Again it has nothing to do with the subject matter. Whatever experiment you’re hoping to do is apparently not going to happen on this forum as no one is participating in the thread but me.
It doesn’t look as if anyone has actually watched the movie so I think whatever you were hoping to get out of people is going to be moot. I feel like I’ve already seen the movie. Unless the words from these believers about the films stereotypes and cliches are not true. It seems as if Jeaton doesn’t think they are, but he hasn’t even discussed them. I’m the only person trying to discuss anything in here apparently!
Good to see Push’s trolling isn’t dead either. Ironically despite me not seeing the film I’m the only one attempting to talk about it including those who have seen it.
Sorry T guess no one actually wants to discuss the movie. I shouldn’t have posted honestly because that invites the lifeless trolls like Push in who have nothing better to do but troll people who have them on ignore for over a month.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
As I say. Maybe I’ll dig this thread back out when the DVD is released and more people have seen it.[/quote]
I downloaded it off the Internet and watched it a couple days ago. I did so after reading this thread and figured that someone who actually saw it was needed to heap the steaming piles of shit on it that it begs for.
I should preface this by saying that I didn’t actually make it to the end of the movie. It was that bad.
The film demonizes literally every population demographic that isn’t white and Christian. it is made by a person/persons who have almost no concept of Jesus’ actual teachings, this film being the most damning evidence of this disconnect between their religion and the beliefs it professes. There is no attempt to treat anyone like they would prefer to be treated. There is no attempt to refrain from throwing stones in glass houses, a sense of forgiveness is replaced with overt, over-the-top righteousness, and it generally is very mean-spirited.
It seems to me that the filmmakers simply have stooped to the same level that they accuse atheists of, but then hide behind the false veneer of righteousness.
I forget what book it’s contained in (either Matthew or Luke, I think), but there is a great piece of advice from Jesus: do not proclaim your righteousness for others to hear, for if you do so, you do so against the will of the Father. But that is essentially what this movie does. It proclaims the righteousness of believers while reducing all non-believers to caricatures reminiscent of the old Looney Tunes portrayals of blacks and Hispanics.
The bottom line is that the film is egregiously dishonest in its portrayal of anyone whose worldview doesn’t mesh with its own narrow views. Dishonesty is not exactly the calling card of Christians who sincerely live their lives in the manner that their religion prescribes.
I find the wholly exaggerated lampooning/condemnation of academia to be very disturbing as well. All it does is discourage higher education for people who are probably in dire need of it.
Ironically, it is many of the same people who lambast the universities in this country for being liberal think tanks and for not espousing purely conservative views that then turn around and cry foul at the term “circle jerk society”. Many of these same people do not have college degrees or somehow think that their experiences in one or two classes is representative of the entire university system, especially when they come on here and a couple of other posters discuss similar experiences.
And they wonder why they keep getting stuck with the circle jerk society label…
Oh yeah. Aragorn? I was waxing a bit nostalgic the other day and looking through a bunch of old threads. I found where you had said some decidedly complimentary and flattering things about me even after we had our conflict. You were defending my uneducated capability to debate analytical thought and even economics against lettered academia. I hadn’t seen them before that I can recall, and it made me feel good, and humbled. I wanna thank you for that.
Seems that 86% of those who actually watched it enjoyed it and recommend it. Yes, there is built in bias, but where is there not.
I just find it laughable that H factor is putting so much time, attention, and effort in trashing something that he claims to have no interest in.
Thou doth protest too much![/quote]
Are you sure you read that correctly? Rotten Tomatoes currently has a 13% approval rating, and IMDB has a rating in the 40’s.[/quote]
Yes, I am sure that I read it correctly. Currently 86% of the people that saw it liked it. It is given a rating of 4.3 stars out of five.
Of the grand total of 15 magazine and newspaper reviews they recognize, 13 rated it poorly. Shocking, I know.
But poor, dumb, Christian me for some reason seems to put more credence in the tens of thousands of ticket paying viewers that watched it. Go figure.
Seems that 86% of those who actually watched it enjoyed it and recommend it. Yes, there is built in bias, but where is there not.
I just find it laughable that H factor is putting so much time, attention, and effort in trashing something that he claims to have no interest in.
Thou doth protest too much![/quote]
Are you sure you read that correctly? Rotten Tomatoes currently has a 13% approval rating, and IMDB has a rating in the 40’s.[/quote]
Yes, I am sure that I read it correctly. Currently 86% of the people that saw it liked it. It is given a rating of 4.3 stars out of five.
Of the grand total of 15 magazine and newspaper reviews they recognize, 13 rated it poorly. Shocking, I know.
But poor, dumb, Christian me for some reason seems to put more credence in the tens of thousands of ticket paying viewers that watched it. Go figure. [/quote]
Why do you need approval from anyone but yourself? Why does its approval rating matter to you? Does its message somehow wane if no one likes the film?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Why do you need approval from anyone but yourself? Why does its approval rating matter to you? Does its message somehow wane if no one likes the film?[/quote]
It is because his god is an approval seeking figure, and he is made in his gods image.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Why do you need approval from anyone but yourself? Why does its approval rating matter to you? Does its message somehow wane if no one likes the film?[/quote]
It is because his god is an approval seeking figure, and he is made in his gods image.[/quote]
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Keep em coming. I’m in no hurry.
Oh yeah. Aragorn? I was waxing a bit nostalgic the other day and looking through a bunch of old threads. I found where you had said some decidedly complimentary and flattering things about me even after we had our conflict. You were defending my uneducated capability to debate analytical thought and even economics against lettered academia. I hadn’t seen them before that I can recall, and it made me feel good, and humbled. I wanna thank you for that.[/quote]
Hey no worries. Everybody gets in fights now and again. That doesn’t mean they’re not really sharp minds
