[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m hanging my hopes on the formation of a third party, some kind of Conservative party. Hell, just call it the Conservative party.[/quote]
I think the Brits have beat us to it.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
A few things:
- I never liked Rudy-Jeff and I had some great debates right here on this forum. But at least Rudy had enough class to get out of the race when he saw he had no chance. I wish that unsightly pimple on the ass of the republican party, Ron Paul, would follow Rudy’s lead and vacate the scene. Does he really need to embarrass himself further? No question, he’s as nutty as many of his followers. [/quote]
It’s not exactly about class. Rudy’s campaign people were foregoing their salaries for some time now, and the guy spent a LOT of money on Florida.
Of course, Rudy or John are fundamentally similar. They believe in the right of the US to bomb countries pre-emptively, they’re fine with American troops getting blown up in Iraq, long-term. Both are on shaky ground when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, and both of them are advocating more of the same to deal with the impending economical crisis.
Rudy is yet another Republican. People like him are found by the boatload, and he knows that. McCain and Rudy have been capitalizing on their image more than on the issues. You ask if Paul needs “to embarrass himself further”? I’ll ask you this: Since when is defending one’s convictions till the end considered an embarrassment? He can’t possibly endorse any other Republican candidate without betraying his principles (or at least, his alleged principles).
Finally, when talking about class, it’s wise to refrain from using terms such as “unsightly pimple on the ass” or “nutty”. It makes the reader wonder if you even know what the word means.
[quote]2. McCain is one of the worst choices for the republicans this year. Next to Ron Paul he has the least charisma of anyone in the race. If Obama is the democrats choice it will look like McCain is running against his grandson. Obama’s “Change” theme is tailor made for McCain a long term senator. But either Hillary or Obama will beat McCain Easily. McCain is far too liberal to pull in the right wing of the party. The conservative talk show hosts are already grilling him.
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The best we can do at this point is speculate. But I don’t think Hillary “will beat McCain Easily”. It will be a close one, although I believe Hillary will come on top. Obama is another story; he’d eat John alive.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Welcome back, Jeff. You hadn’t posted in a while and I was getting worried about you.
Tough break about Rudy. Who are you supporting now?[/quote]
Hey, Varq:
Thanks.
I have to tell you that I hesitate to support anyone publically.
My first two choices: Rudy and Thompson have gone down in flames.
I have to be honest: No one in the “grown-up” party is exciting me. You know I can’t vote for the “adolescents.”
I’ve been thinking of the position in McCain’s cabinet that would help Rudy most with Conservatives.
My guess is Attorney General. If he was a strong advocate for 2 Amendement rights and takes a pragmatic approach to illegal immigration, I think he’d assuage some of the Conservative ire.
JeffR
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
A few things:
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I never liked Rudy-Jeff and I had some great debates right here on this forum. But at least Rudy had enough class to get out of the race when he saw he had no chance. I wish that unsightly pimple on the ass of the republican party, Ron Paul, would follow Rudy’s lead and vacate the scene. Does he really need to embarrass himself further? No question, he’s as nutty as many of his followers.
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McCain is one of the worst choices for the republicans this year. Next to Ron Paul he has the least charisma of anyone in the race. If Obama is the democrats choice it will look like McCain is running against his grandson. Obama’s “Change” theme is tailor made for McCain a long term senator. But either Hillary or Obama will beat McCain Easily. McCain is far too liberal to pull in the right wing of the party. The conservative talk show hosts are already grilling him.
And…it matters not who McCain picks for his VP. He’s a loser…period.
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Mick,
I’m worried about McCain versus obama. There is a growing “mystique” around obama. It isn’t deserved, and it’s one of those media things. However, there it is.
You’ve always warned me that Conservatives wouldn’t turn out for Rudy in the general election. My response was: rodham would offset that.
However, if it’s McCain versus obama, Conservatives stay home in droves.
JeffR
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
A few things:
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I never liked Rudy-Jeff and I had some great debates right here on this forum. But at least Rudy had enough class to get out of the race when he saw he had no chance. I wish that unsightly pimple on the ass of the republican party, Ron Paul, would follow Rudy’s lead and vacate the scene. Does he really need to embarrass himself further? No question, he’s as nutty as many of his followers.
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McCain is one of the worst choices for the republicans this year. Next to Ron Paul he has the least charisma of anyone in the race. If Obama is the democrats choice it will look like McCain is running against his grandson. Obama’s “Change” theme is tailor made for McCain a long term senator. But either Hillary or Obama will beat McCain Easily. McCain is far too liberal to pull in the right wing of the party. The conservative talk show hosts are already grilling him.
And…it matters not who McCain picks for his VP. He’s a loser…period.
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I am definitely not a big fan of Paul, but I do hope he stays in the race for a while longer. He is not getting enough votes to have a major affect on the polls. Most of the votes he is getting are from people that otherwise would not be good, and that is why I think he should stay in. He brings an excitement to politics and is able to bring a lot of young people to the republican party. He is also talking about some major issues that the other candidates are afraid to touch.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
He’ll endorse McCain - probably setting himself up for a position in a McCain administration in the eventuality that occurs. I think he’d be a rather poor choice for VP because he wouldn’t diversify McCain’s appeal, geographically or politically.
Rudy is a bad choice for a McCain running mate.
McCain is going to have to decide if he is strong enough to draw from the middle on his own, and go with someone that can help him on the right. He is not a popular guy with conservatives.
This is shaping up to be as shitty of a Presidential Race as this year’s Super Bowl.
Honestly - now that Thompson is out, where is the conservative voice? Might as well hope for a Dem presidency and have the right run things from congress ala Clinton. Seems to be the only way republicans can get their heads out of their asses - or their faces out of the fucking hog trough.
Maybe Steve Forbes will mount an independent candidacy…well I can hope, can’t I?
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I know it’s a long shot, but I am hoping McCain asks Duncan Hunter to be his running mate. It actually makes pretty good sense, as it would keep conservative republicans on his side. The best part about it is that it would set up Hunter for a run in 2012. He simply wasn’t able to get enough traction for his campaign this time around.
[quote]tedro wrote:
I know it’s a long shot, but I am hoping McCain asks Duncan Hunter to be his running mate. It actually makes pretty good sense, as it would keep conservative republicans on his side. The best part about it is that it would set up Hunter for a run in 2012. He simply wasn’t able to get enough traction for his campaign this time around.
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Even if he gets a Duncan Hunter-type to run with him, I still don’t think I could pull the lever for McCain.
He has demonstrated his willingness to trample all over the 1st amendment in deference to “fairness”.
He represents everything that is wrong about with the republican party. Who could vote for that poster child in good conscience?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Who could vote for that poster child in good conscience?
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Apparently, 30% of registered Republicans in FL for starters.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Who could vote for that poster child in good conscience?
Apparently, 30% of registered Republicans in FL for starters.[/quote]
I qualified my statement with “in good conscience”. There is no one in the Republican candidates that could be voted for “in good conscience” since Thompson took a powder.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Didn’t Rudy get 15% and Paul get 3%?[/quote]
That’s only in FL. Paul beat Rudy in 4 out of 7 primaries thus far, but I do agree that he should probably stop trying for the Republican nomination at this point.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Didn’t Rudy get 15% and Paul get 3%?
Paul actually got 3[b].2[/b] percent.
Why do you hate freedom?
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My reference to Paul in JeffR’s post was that he felt Rudy would surely trounce Paul as indicated in prior posts that’s all but at least Paul has garnered second place in two primaries. How many did Rudy get? Fred? Not saying that he’s going to win or anything but Fred’s definitely earns more of a “zilch of a campaign” title
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Honestly - now that Thompson is out, where is the conservative voice? Might as well hope for a Dem presidency and have the right run things from congress ala Clinton. Seems to be the only way republicans can get their heads out of their asses - or their faces out of the fucking hog trough.
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Regarding the Clinton Presidency, we had Newt Gingrich as Speaker of the House directing the “Contract with America” agenda. Those were some exciting times.
Fast forward… Rep Hastert, former repub. SoH was a man floundering. Current dem. SoH Pelosi… what can I say? Have you seen anything substantive come out of the House of Representatives lately? Expect more of the same, regardless of who wins the Presidency.
No one has vision. Everyone just reacts to what happens day to day. And that’s not a good way to run a country.
There are some hard decisions to make in the years ahead. No one is willing to talk. That Social Security thing. It has to end. A way to make health care more affordable is to curtail much of the litigation and rising insurance costs for doctors. Higher education has become more a business than a learning institution.
But these pet projects are besides the point. I’m sad to see Rudy gone so soon from the debate. The same with Freddie. The less people that talk, the less we get real issues debated. It just becomes a tour of America. And that’s pathetic.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Didn’t Rudy get 15% and Paul get 3%?
Paul actually got 3[b].2[/b] percent.
Why do you hate freedom?
My reference to Paul in JeffR’s post was that he felt Rudy would surely trounce Paul as indicated in prior posts that’s all but at least Paul has garnered second place in two primaries. How many did Rudy get? Fred? Not saying that he’s going to win or anything but Fred’s definitely earns more of a “zilch of a campaign” title[/quote]
storey,
If Rudy ran a “zilch” campain, what does that make paul’s?
Rudy received 342,382 votes. There were 168,758 moRons.
I’m not sure why you are so afraid of the truth?
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
storey,
If Rudy ran a “zilch” campain, what does that make paul’s?
Rudy received 342,382 votes. There were 168,758 moRons.
I’m not sure why you are so afraid of the truth?
JeffR
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Even after Florida, Paul has still won more delegates than Rudy:
[quote]mundele wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Didn’t Rudy get 15% and Paul get 3%?
That’s only in FL. Paul beat Rudy in 4 out of 7 primaries thus far, but I do agree that he should probably stop trying for the Republican nomination at this point.[/quote]
Did Rudy even campaign in those states?
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=141
Candidates and estimated spending proposals.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
mundele wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Didn’t Rudy get 15% and Paul get 3%?
That’s only in FL. Paul beat Rudy in 4 out of 7 primaries thus far, but I do agree that he should probably stop trying for the Republican nomination at this point.
Did Rudy even campaign in those states? [/quote]
He put some effort early into Iowa and N.H. The others, very little.
JeffR
[quote]mundele wrote:
JeffR wrote:
storey,
If Rudy ran a “zilch” campain, what does that make paul’s?
Rudy received 342,382 votes. There were 168,758 moRons.
I’m not sure why you are so afraid of the truth?
JeffR
Even after Florida, Paul has still won more delegates than Rudy:
moRon,
Not sure how this proves anything. You do know that some states are winner take all and some are proportionate?
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
mundele wrote:
JeffR wrote:
storey,
If Rudy ran a “zilch” campain, what does that make paul’s?
Rudy received 342,382 votes. There were 168,758 moRons.
I’m not sure why you are so afraid of the truth?
JeffR
Even after Florida, Paul has still won more delegates than Rudy:
moRon,
Not sure how this proves anything. You do know that some states are winner take all and some are proportionate?
JeffR
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All I’m saying is that Paul has more to show for his efforts than Rudy does. I’m not a real Ron Paul fan at this point, and I think he should probably take Rudy’s lead and bow out. That said, he did better than Rudy over this campaign.