so when was this dark age in the T-Nations history? Thankfully before I joined.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
MODOK wrote:
Oh, I didn’t mean that I liked the part about it being “exclusionary” to only competitive people. I just really liked the idea of re-doing the forums under the sub-topics he mentioned. You can’t exclude folks who don’t compete.
I know what YOU meant, but I also know what Maurauder meant. You two are not speaking of the same thing and some of the biggest critics of the T-Cell seem to be people who completely ignored all of the things that happened to cause its creation.
There was no BODYBUILDING discussion at all right before it was created. Animal started that thread in this forum and it was the ONLY bodybuilding related thread here. Every other discussion ended up being tons of little undeveloped guys talking about how functional they want to be and how their 15" arms were big enough.
Then, after the T-Cell is created and people start focusing on bodybuilding again (mostly because TC stepped forward about it), people want to forget that and act like it was never necessary.
I am just pointing that out since so many people seem lost as to why it exists to start with.[/quote]
I think marauder and modok are both right. Exclusivity just means the threads dont get congested with retarded comments and/or internet “fighting”. Sure the get a life and SAMA threads are fun to rip the shit out of people and talk shit but to make this a bodybuilding dominant website, which has been stated previously as the aim, those sub-genres of bodybuilding - contests, bulking etc would be a start.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Oh yes, I remember those days well. I didn’t post here for probably a year because it was over-taken by that shit. I’m hopeful that the tide has turned, and when and if they ever decide to roll that “super soldier serum” program of theirs out, that they also introduce more bodybuilding into the forums and the website in general. A guy can dream…[/quote]
TC, or somebody else did state recently that they are trying to focus on making the site more bodybuilding related. I think the way they are doing this is the type of articles they are releasing lately.
More bodybuilding fans would be cool too. I enjoy the threads of the pros and upcoming ones etc.
[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
Professor X wrote:
MODOK wrote:
Oh, I didn’t mean that I liked the part about it being “exclusionary” to only competitive people. I just really liked the idea of re-doing the forums under the sub-topics he mentioned. You can’t exclude folks who don’t compete.
I know what YOU meant, but I also know what Maurauder meant. You two are not speaking of the same thing and some of the biggest critics of the T-Cell seem to be people who completely ignored all of the things that happened to cause its creation.
There was no BODYBUILDING discussion at all right before it was created. Animal started that thread in this forum and it was the ONLY bodybuilding related thread here. Every other discussion ended up being tons of little undeveloped guys talking about how functional they want to be and how their 15" arms were big enough.
Then, after the T-Cell is created and people start focusing on bodybuilding again (mostly because TC stepped forward about it), people want to forget that and act like it was never necessary.
I am just pointing that out since so many people seem lost as to why it exists to start with.
I think marauder and modok are both right. Exclusivity just means the threads dont get congested with retarded comments and/or internet “fighting”. Sure the get a life and SAMA threads are fun to rip the shit out of people and talk shit but to make this a bodybuilding dominant website, which has been stated previously as the aim, those sub-genres of bodybuilding - contests, bulking etc would be a start. [/quote]
I agree and I am not debating that. What I am saying is that it would not work right now. The reasons it won’t work are:
1: There are still too many trolls and non-serious people who post tons of ridiculous shit whenever the discussion actually involves serious bodybuilding or lifters posting pics on this site.
That would be why the T-Cell didn’t just let everyone in…because letting everyone in resulted in a bodybuilding forum where none of us could actually discuss bodybuilding because there were more “functional” unmuscular people than there are serious lifters.
2: This site does NOT attract very many serious lifters and competitors. It attracts the type of people who like to TALK about theory while not being successful in building themselves up.
You can see this in any article discussion. TONS of fan boys talking about how great the article was and maybe 1 or 2 people who actually have decent muscular development.
3: The serious people it does attract do not post regularly.
They may jump forward to claim they don’t understand the point of the T-Cell (mostly because they weren’t paying attention before it was created), but they are nowhere to be found during any serious bodybuilding discussions.
This site messed up by allowing some of the authors to speak for the entire direction of the website. Because some of them hate bodybuilding, it attracted nothing but other people with no muscle who also either don’t like big muscles or actually believe in retarded terms like “functional”.
Until they show a very open and public attempt to focus on actual bodybuilding again, expecting all of these subforums to even work is pointless.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
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Hm… disappointing. Im also going to assume a lot of those ‘non/anti-bodybuilders’ clogging the threads also provide Biotest with a little extra cash. Oh well. My mine source of information off this site is the nutrition articles cos u cant really fuck them up, Thibaudeau and the more advanced guys, who post.
Please dont leave guys 
For the 95% of non-bodybuilding/sick abz/internet bad-ass wannabees, there is a minority who actually follow, enjoy every single thing that the bodybuilding lifestyle stands for. I may not be huge but i sure as hell am trying.
I actually want to post in T-cell. In the past I’ve tried to get in, tried to post, and indeed tried to help a few people out with injuries that were similar to, if not the same as, those that I’ve had. I instead had to PM people information. Honestly, who actually reads their PM’s…nobody. Therefore, advice that could have potentially helped someone avoid a surgery, or better rehab one goes unnoticed because it’s not readily available in a thread.
Instead, I see more and more 09ers getting in with a post count of 5, because they have a before and after pics in their profile.
iv been reading the articles and forums of T-Nation since about '06/'07,i only joined this year becuase before i didnt feel like i could contribute to anyone or the forums!
reading this thread is a sure sign the forums will become what they are suppose to be like,good to see that.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Didn’t all that shit happen back in 08? I remember I stopped coming here for 4 months or so last year because anytime I posted anything bodybuilding related goals, I’d get my ass e-jumped.[/quote]
Yeah. That was one of the reasons we lost some of the long term members around that time period. If you posted a picture of Dexter Jackson back then, you would get nothing but a thread filled with “he must have a small peniz” or “ROIDZ!!!” posts. This place had become a youtube clone. People were arguing that lifting weights wasn’t good because you could be as functional as when they did “combat pyramids”…whatever the fuck that still is.
That shit didn’t stop UNTIL the T-cell went up and they realized that apparently the site didn’t actually hate bodyubuilding completely afterall.
That’s what you get when a crash diet is your biggest selling point…Slim Fast posters.
I don’t think it’s because of the T-cell, but I do think the BB forum is light years better than it was at this time last year. Sometimes all the trolls and idiots post incessantly all at once, I guess.
I actually left and tested a few other boards for a time. Most of them don’t even bother to keep their trolls in check. After seeing countless threads and posters about not getting too big, everyone who isn’t 8% is fat, etc etc, I kept asking myself, were the thread on this site, What Would T-Nation Do? At least the vets in the BB forum here TRY to keep the idiots out.
Seriously, when I started asking WWTND, I figured this forum was as good as any. Grass is always greener…
[quote]SAR-PT wrote:
I spend a hell of a lot more time viewing the T-Cell Alpha than I do viewing the rest of the forum. So much information and ideas. Pro-a-ggression is right - READ READ READ - You can never stop learning.
SAR-PT
Edit: Damn, just remembered I was going to wait till the new year to register so I wouldn’t be part of the '09 crowd. Ah well, shit happens…right?..Right? [/quote]
fucking 09ers 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That’s what you get when a crash diet is your biggest selling point…Slim Fast posters.[/quote]
Dominated.
[quote]doubleh wrote:
I don’t think it’s because of the T-cell, but I do think the BB forum is light years better than it was at this time last year. Sometimes all the trolls and idiots post incessantly all at once, I guess.
I actually left and tested a few other boards for a time. Most of them don’t even bother to keep their trolls in check. After seeing countless threads and posters about not getting too big, everyone who isn’t 8% is fat, etc etc, I kept asking myself, were the thread on this site, What Would T-Nation Do? At least the vets in the BB forum here TRY to keep the idiots out.
Seriously, when I started asking WWTND, I figured this forum was as good as any. Grass is always greener…[/quote]
Agreed.
I don’t post a lot in the Bodybuilding forum, but I do read it and have noted a major shift over the past year or so.
Granted, there are still some posts that make me want to reach through my screen and grab the poster by the neck, but they are much fewer and I don’t think it’s realistic to expect that any “open” site would be devoid of such posts.
[quote]hardgnr wrote:
MODOK wrote:
Oh yes, I remember those days well. I didn’t post here for probably a year because it was over-taken by that shit. I’m hopeful that the tide has turned, and when and if they ever decide to roll that “super soldier serum” program of theirs out, that they also introduce more bodybuilding into the forums and the website in general. A guy can dream…
TC, or somebody else did state recently that they are trying to focus on making the site more bodybuilding related. I think the way they are doing this is the type of articles they are releasing lately.
More bodybuilding fans would be cool too. I enjoy the threads of the pros and upcoming ones etc.[/quote]
I thought so too until the last article by CW. The one about doing a 100 pushups and 50 pull ups every day to get a huge chest and back.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
hardgnr wrote:
MODOK wrote:
Oh yes, I remember those days well. I didn’t post here for probably a year because it was over-taken by that shit. I’m hopeful that the tide has turned, and when and if they ever decide to roll that “super soldier serum” program of theirs out, that they also introduce more bodybuilding into the forums and the website in general. A guy can dream…
TC, or somebody else did state recently that they are trying to focus on making the site more bodybuilding related. I think the way they are doing this is the type of articles they are releasing lately.
More bodybuilding fans would be cool too. I enjoy the threads of the pros and upcoming ones etc.
I thought so too until the last article by CW. The one about doing a 100 pushups and 50 pull ups every day to get a huge chest and back.
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…yet they act like he doesn’t write for bodybuilding.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
SAR-PT wrote:
I spend a hell of a lot more time viewing the T-Cell Alpha than I do viewing the rest of the forum. So much information and ideas. Pro-a-ggression is right - READ READ READ - You can never stop learning.
SAR-PT
Edit: Damn, just remembered I was going to wait till the new year to register so I wouldn’t be part of the '09 crowd. Ah well, shit happens…right?..Right?
fucking 09ers :)[/quote]
Didn’t i warn you about this kerley
[quote]Professor X wrote:
…yet they act like he doesn’t write for bodybuilding.[/quote]
As i said before. I only read the nutrition articles. Usually i will read all new articles and just turn on my shit filter, but although Waterbury knows his shit, i just cant be fucked anymore. There is no appeal besides the catchy names. Haha
[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…yet they act like he doesn’t write for bodybuilding.
As i said before. I only read the nutrition articles. Usually i will read all new articles and just turn on my shit filter, but although Waterbury knows his shit, i just cant be fucked anymore. There is no appeal besides the catchy names. Haha[/quote]
I refuse to warrant any assistance from people who don’t look like I want to look or share the same goals that I share. That’s NOT to say that they’re potentially incapable of training me or someone with my goals to eventually achieve those goals or to say that they don’t know what they’re doing…it’s to say that they don’t value the same things in fitness that I value which in my eyes is a conflict of interest between trainer and client which applies even when leaching free information from articles on a website.
This is especially true when I’ve already found what works for me and what doesn’t…to a degree I’m not interested anymore in radically altering my training or nutritional methodology. I’ve already been through that and I have no intention of taking 10 steps backward now simply because various training techniques have worked for complete strangers that I’ll never know or meet. I’ve learned from my mistakes and the biggest one I ever made was to take advice and change my setup when I was already making progress.
[quote]B-Man wrote:
Kerley wrote:
SAR-PT wrote:
I spend a hell of a lot more time viewing the T-Cell Alpha than I do viewing the rest of the forum. So much information and ideas. Pro-a-ggression is right - READ READ READ - You can never stop learning.
SAR-PT
Edit: Damn, just remembered I was going to wait till the new year to register so I wouldn’t be part of the '09 crowd. Ah well, shit happens…right?..Right?
fucking 09ers
Didn’t i warn you about this kerley
[/quote]
i know, i just like annoying the 09ers.
your the only exception to the 09ers rule
(end of bromance)
[quote]MODOK wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
iwong wrote:
I agree that the t-cell is a great resource. But really, all you need to do is look for the posts of the usual suspects for great info like CC, Modok, etc.
exactly!! I personally don’t post in the T Cell. I’ve been a “member” pretty much since it started. I don’t really get the whole “let’s have a place where only the “serious” people can post”. I also don’t agree with leaving the decisions up to “sheriffs” and their subjective qualifications.
I would think that if one wanted an exclusive forum, it would be one that is dedicated to those that actually compete at a high level. In my eyes, the forum would be dedicated to competition. there would be threads on dieting, off season training, contest prep, contest results, videos of training, off season photos… basically the members would detail the steps they take in the process. initiation into the Tcell would happen after you had actually competed in something. It would be something that folks would strive to be a part of. it would give them something to work towards. instead of waiting around for someone to pick you based on whether a sheriff likes you or not.
anyway… that would be my vision.
I like this idea… a lot. Maybe not for an “alpha cell” or whatever, but we need a re-classification of the forums in my opinion to something like you just laid out. It would make things much easier to navigate to have forums based upon these aspects of our lives instead of having one big “lump” bodybuilding forum. Our topics are far too diverse for what we currently have.[/quote]
I agree with you both. I think it’s kinda hard to tell exactly how to implement such a system. For those who remember, this is try #2 (Dog Pound was the first one).
I do however like the idea that at least in the Cell I’m not going to see people go " I want to look like brad pitt … here’s a shoe, what’s my bodyfat??". It was terrible for a while in the BB forum. Really, really terrible. It originally started out as a haven for people who didn’t want to stare at fucking trolls and people who would piss all over those who want to get “BBer huge”, which I think was and is a worthy goal… I can remember periods of time where all I wanted to do was reach through the computer and bitch slap a lot of the people posting in the BB forum. the trick is how to do that (not the bitch slap, the haven)!