[quote]mr popular wrote:
"“He left, he didn’t get banned. I wish he wouldn’t have left. I had some questions for him as well Petedacook”… [/quote]
Go Heavy Fool typed this portion, referring to himself.
I thought it was pretty incriminating.
[quote]HardcoreHorn wrote:
mr popular wrote:
I believe that the worst thing you can call someone is “crazy”…because calling someone crazy is just dismissive.
What do you mean? I’m crazy and I love being called crazy; it gets me off. The more people think I’m crazy the happier I am.
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I thought you gave up getting off.
[quote]julia87 wrote:
i think im going to make a sweeping generalization just for fun. Anybody who has “mr.” in their username is now a crazy sociopath[/quote]
Don’t forget people that use their first name but don’t capitalize it.
Mystery Pop,
What Rainjack said sounds pretty close. I’m extremely hesitant to hold myself up as any type of source of training knowledge.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Dude - at a buck-fifty, you could fall over backwards into a bucket of shit and still gain muscle mass.
GHF’s “program” worked for you because you didn’t have to think. You just lifted.
You jumped into the set/rep bible and tried to think - and screwed up your training.
In other words - you are not advanced enough to be training in an advanced manner. I highly doubt you trained exactly the way GHF said, because it is impossible for you to have the mind-muscle connection required for intensity of that level. I’m not saying that you didn’t train hard - I have no way of knowing. But I can be almost certain that a beginner has no business trying to train like an advanced lifter.
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As to what I do, I go to the gym regularly and I do serious lifts just about every time I am there. I’ll be doing things like deadlifts, dips, squats, chins, benching, rows and perhaps substitutions or variations when needed.
So, make sure you are doing them right (safely) and then do them often enough to make the body respond.
[quote]HardcoreHorn wrote:
mr popular wrote:
I believe that the worst thing you can call someone is “crazy”…because calling someone crazy is just dismissive.
What do you mean? I’m crazy and I love being called crazy; it gets me off. The more people think I’m crazy the happier I am.
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Well, I think your beautiful!
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
julia87 wrote:
i think im going to make a sweeping generalization just for fun. Anybody who has “mr.” in their username is now a crazy sociopath
Don’t forget people that use their first name but don’t capitalize it.[/quote]
Hahaha! thanks. Maybe I will one day. But until someone makes me Im goin to remain a grammatical monstrocity, thank you very much.
[quote]julia87 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
julia87 wrote:
i think im going to make a sweeping generalization just for fun. Anybody who has “mr.” in their username is now a crazy sociopath
Don’t forget people that use their first name but don’t capitalize it.
Hahaha! thanks. Maybe I will one day. But until someone makes me Im goin to remain a grammatical monstrocity, thank you very much.[/quote]
Obvious sociopath, refusing to conform to the grammatical rules of decent society.
[quote]julia87 wrote:
HardcoreHorn wrote:
mr popular wrote:
I believe that the worst thing you can call someone is “crazy”…because calling someone crazy is just dismissive.
What do you mean? I’m crazy and I love being called crazy; it gets me off. The more people think I’m crazy the happier I am.
Well, I think your beautiful!
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“YOU’RE”!!!
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
julia87 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
julia87 wrote:
i think im going to make a sweeping generalization just for fun. Anybody who has “mr.” in their username is now a crazy sociopath
Don’t forget people that use their first name but don’t capitalize it.
Hahaha! thanks. Maybe I will one day. But until someone makes me Im goin to remain a grammatical monstrocity, thank you very much.
Obvious sociopath, refusing to conform to the grammatical rules of decent society.
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Priceless
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
We have Go Heavy in a conversation with Force 10. Essentially having a discussion with himself. I also noticed a similar writing style with “Avoids Roids.” Avoids Roids was also in on the same conversation. GHF was known to be strongly against steroids, it seems Avoids Roids might be a fitting name for GHF?
At any rate, this quote from the above link has GHF discussing load with Force 10, and Avoids Roids.
Go Heavy Fool wrote:
Force 10 wrote:
Avoids Roids wrote:
Majin wrote:
It’s simple, the more you train a muscle group avoiding burnout the faster it will develop. Arnold trained more than any other bodybuilder. Of course he offset the overtraining with steroids…But these days bodybuilders take so much juice that it’s hard to tell how much their training is influencing their physiques at all.
Try training a muscle group more often without overtraining it. What do you think will happen? It’s going to grow faster.
What, does there have to be only one way? Is bodybuilding a science yet? No
“Frequency”, as it is sometimes referred to by us assholes.
What I understood from what Go heavy was saying is that frequency won’t matter if the stress isn’t an overload or great enough of an overload to force change. He was talking about this before he left. This makes sense to me and I’m not that smart. Those marathon runners run everyday and have legs the size of chopsticks. These guys are training their legs constantly and the frequency is almost constantly. Apparently what Go heavy was saying about stress applies here. If the stress; or stressload I think he called it, isn’t great enough, then you can’t create a great enough change to stimulate enough growth. That’s how I understood it anyway.
You’re on the right track. But that’s not how I would summarize it. It has to do with the stress and “TYPE” of stress applied. I was going to go into it after the flame train went through, but I had to go back to work. If you want, I can explain furthur on types of stress… neural/strength, hypertrophy/sarcoplasmic/ myofibrillar/sacremere… but the flame train of fools will be totaly lost when I get into this. They can’t even comprehend the basics of strength to mass ratio and frequency & stress relation for overload. [/quote]
Pete
If your implying that I am GHF, you’re so far wrong that I think you must have gotten a bunch of magic mushrooms and cooked them up by mistake. I have been Avoids Roids almost since the day this forum opened and I haven’t used any other name. Besides that, my fingers would not allow me to type in the profane demeaning manner that GHF wrote. Keep looking Pete. Go Heavy Fool is out there somewhere. He just isn’t this old fool.
The only real thing you can say about me is that my moniker is hypocritical. I chose it years ago before I had to start HRT 18 months ago. So a moniker of “Avoids Illegal Roids” would probably be more honest today. However, you can’t teach some old dogs new tricks and I would never be able to remember such a long name when I signed in.
Besides, the moniker was a personal statement about me, not about the use of steroids by other people. So while GHF was certainly anti-steroids, for his own reasons, I couldn’t care less what someone else does to their body. However, I do not look favorably upon the use of steroids in general by women. Vitlilization is not pretty and, from what I have read, many times is irreversible. Who knows, perhaps I am really Mrs. Roids. lol
Avoids Roids
(The Hypocritical Old Fool…“HOF”)
Not GHF
[quote]mr popular wrote:
I believe that the worst thing you can call someone is “crazy”…because calling someone crazy is just dismissive. It solves no problems (if there were any to begin with…??)
You “believe” that because Dave Chapelle used that exact quote in an interview with James Lipton on Inside The Actors Studio.
[quote]Revo09 wrote:
You “believe” that because Dave Chapelle used that exact quote in an interview with James Lipton on Inside The Actors Studio.
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You’re right! I could not remember where I heard that quote but I figured it wouldn’t matter since it is my opinion, someone else just happened to phrase it better.
But thank you for correcting me…it was starting to bother me haha
And I am aware that I should not be doing any advanced routines because I am a beginner, but I thought Waterbury’s set/rep bible was a general interpretation of the perameters? I don’t think it mentioned anything about beginners being that different from advanced trainees in those ranges… altho if it did, my apologies, but like i said i do not follow it anymore
I am steadily gaining mass but I also want to get stronger which is what I am truly wondering about how to get started with
i know, i know. lift heavy things. I am just looking for some basic guidelines that will get me up to par eventually.
for example, basic guidelines for bodybuilding–1g of protein per lb of bodyweight, lots of calories, frequent muscle stimulation, plenty of rest, etc…
but what about for strength? I’m new to this, so any help from strong guys (or girls! hey julia!) would be very appreciated
–Brian
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Revo09 wrote:
You “believe” that because Dave Chapelle used that exact quote in an interview with James Lipton on Inside The Actors Studio.
You’re right! I could not remember where I heard that quote but I figured it wouldn’t matter since it is my opinion, someone else just happened to phrase it better.
But thank you for correcting me…it was starting to bother me haha
And I am aware that I should not be doing any advanced routines because I am a beginner, but I thought Waterbury’s set/rep bible was a general interpretation of the perameters? I don’t think it mentioned anything about beginners being that different from advanced trainees in those ranges… altho if it did, my apologies, but like i said i do not follow it anymore
I am steadily gaining mass but I also want to get stronger which is what I am truly wondering about how to get started with
i know, i know. lift heavy things. I am just looking for some basic guidelines that will get me up to par eventually.
for example, basic guidelines for bodybuilding–1g of protein per lb of bodyweight, lots of calories, frequent muscle stimulation, plenty of rest, etc…
but what about for strength? I’m new to this, so any help from strong guys (or girls! hey julia!) would be very appreciated
–Brian[/quote]
Shut up and lift. Your ‘basic guidelines for bodybuilding’ are the same for strength. Eat. Lift progressively heavier things. Eat. Rest. Shut up.
Why are you worried about parameters and subtle nuances when consistancy and effort are what you should be striving for at this level.
Are you saying at thius point that you are gaining mass but not strength? I doubt that highly unless you are just gaining weight to gain weight.
Get to work. Less typing more working.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
julia87 wrote:
i think im going to make a sweeping generalization just for fun. Anybody who has “mr.” in their username is now a crazy sociopath
Don’t forget people that use their first name but don’t capitalize it.[/quote]
Hey, that wasn’t nice!
derek
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
Shut up and lift. Your ‘basic guidelines for bodybuilding’ are the same for strength. Eat. Lift progressively heavier things. Eat. Rest. Shut up.
Why are you worried about parameters and subtle nuances when consistancy and effort are what you should be striving for at this level.
Are you saying at thius point that you are gaining mass but not strength? I doubt that highly unless you are just gaining weight to gain weight.
Get to work. Less typing more working.
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I stated that i am NOT worrying about perameters and subtle stuff =(
i thought i was pretty clear that all i wanted were some very basic guidelines.
of course i have been getting stronger in what i’ve been doing, but i was just wondering if a person wanting to gain strength more directly (i know the two are proportional and you cannot have one without the other… so maybe i’m splitting hairs…) would do anything different training-wise
i have heard some people say to practice your strength lifts every day. others have said only once a week if that. I just wanted some basic beginner stuff to go on, but if you think doing exactly what i’m doing now–eating big, lifting big, and resting big–is all i need then that is what i’ll continue to do.
thank you for your response, although you didn’t really have to tell me to “shut up”. Do you think I should be lifting weights 24/7…? Did you actually assume I am sacrificing time lifting to be typing this right now? I have already done my leg workout today. and yesterday was a rest day. So all i’m saying is maybe don’t be so quick to insult people?
but thanks again for your reply,
–Brian
[quote]mr popular wrote:
… but if you think doing exactly what i’m doing now–eating big, lifting big, and resting big–is all i need then that is what i’ll continue to do.[/quote]
What, there’s more?
Oh wait, there is more, grow thicker skin! There, you’re good, shut up and hit the gym.
P.S. It’s a phrase… pretty common around these parts.
[quote]Avoids Roids wrote:
Pete
If your implying that I am GHF, you’re so far wrong that I think you must have gotten a bunch of magic mushrooms and cooked them up by mistake. I have been Avoids Roids almost since the day this forum opened and I haven’t used any other name. Besides that, my fingers would not allow me to type in the profane demeaning manner that GHF wrote. Keep looking Pete. Go Heavy Fool is out there somewhere. He just isn’t this old fool.
The only real thing you can say about me is that my moniker is hypocritical. I chose it years ago before I had to start HRT 18 months ago. So a moniker of “Avoids Illegal Roids” would probably be more honest today. However, you can’t teach some old dogs new tricks and I would never be able to remember such a long name when I signed in.
Besides, the moniker was a personal statement about me, not about the use of steroids by other people. So while GHF was certainly anti-steroids, for his own reasons, I couldn’t care less what someone else does to their body. However, I do not look favorably upon the use of steroids in general by women. Vitlilization is not pretty and, from what I have read, many times is irreversible. Who knows, perhaps I am really Mrs. Roids. lol
Avoids Roids
(The Hypocritical Old Fool…“HOF”)
Not GHF
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LOL
Thats cool. No, the above does not seem like GHF’s handi work. Yes, I did infer there was a similarity, but alas I have not been doing any magic mushrooms. Not that I don’t miss that wild lack of responsibility youth I once had.
[quote]Force 10 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
BTW…me thinks GHF no longer attends these forums
I have nothing to base this on, but I have a feeling he was quietly banned, though I suspect he’ll still be reading for a little while.
I’m sure he’s probably working out. You don’t get the kind of information that guy had and not use it. Go heavy was wicked smart, but he was condescending as hell and he knew it. That was the genius behind him. He could actually insult you without insulting you. I never saw him flame anyone, only return the flames with a training tip or slice into their particular weakness.
I was hoping he would log back in too, Now I have to resort back to common beliefs around here instead of someone actually telling me the truth. Why would he get banned, for being the most knowledgeable trainer on the site? He answered one of my PM’s yesterday and said he wasn’t logging back in because the site had too many flamers on it and not enough weight lifters.
If Prof X leaves, then I’ll have to find myself more sources of information. Go heavy had the best advice and sound advice on the site, the only people that might know more are the authors, but I doubt they have that kind of experience and intensity, or the midset that he had. Alpha F recognized this and called him indomitable in one of her posts. she might be the only person on the site who could have possible understood him. I’m lost and was just happy to receive the training tips. I’d like to bottle up whatever Go heavy had and use it at anything.
People like him are very rare. You won’t find that kind personality very often, kinda larger than life. Definitly too big for this site. I know his type because I’ve seen it before. He’s one of those Good Will Hunting types. Trying to understand him would be impossible, but learning from him wasn’t. The site could have used a lot more people like that. But, we’ll get the common knowledge and the daily flame throwers instead that don’t offer us anything more than average.
Go heavy was exceptional. Oh well, he left alot here that I’m still trying to comprehend. The funny thing is, those guys that flame him I bet never even tried some of his training advice. I have done what he suggests and it is bar none the greatest advice I could have gotten anywhere. He won’t back. Just like he said, he goes full force at everything he does then never looks back. [/quote]
why don’t you go suck his dick?
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
Force 10 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
BTW…me thinks GHF no longer attends these forums
I have nothing to base this on, but I have a feeling he was quietly banned, though I suspect he’ll still be reading for a little while.
I’m sure he’s probably working out. You don’t get the kind of information that guy had and not use it. Go heavy was wicked smart, but he was condescending as hell and he knew it. That was the genius behind him. He could actually insult you without insulting you. I never saw him flame anyone, only return the flames with a training tip or slice into their particular weakness.
I was hoping he would log back in too, Now I have to resort back to common beliefs around here instead of someone actually telling me the truth. Why would he get banned, for being the most knowledgeable trainer on the site? He answered one of my PM’s yesterday and said he wasn’t logging back in because the site had too many flamers on it and not enough weight lifters.
If Prof X leaves, then I’ll have to find myself more sources of information. Go heavy had the best advice and sound advice on the site, the only people that might know more are the authors, but I doubt they have that kind of experience and intensity, or the midset that he had. Alpha F recognized this and called him indomitable in one of her posts. she might be the only person on the site who could have possible understood him. I’m lost and was just happy to receive the training tips. I’d like to bottle up whatever Go heavy had and use it at anything.
People like him are very rare. You won’t find that kind personality very often, kinda larger than life. Definitly too big for this site. I know his type because I’ve seen it before. He’s one of those Good Will Hunting types. Trying to understand him would be impossible, but learning from him wasn’t. The site could have used a lot more people like that. But, we’ll get the common knowledge and the daily flame throwers instead that don’t offer us anything more than average.
Go heavy was exceptional. Oh well, he left alot here that I’m still trying to comprehend. The funny thing is, those guys that flame him I bet never even tried some of his training advice. I have done what he suggests and it is bar none the greatest advice I could have gotten anywhere. He won’t back. Just like he said, he goes full force at everything he does then never looks back.
why don’t you go suck his dick?[/quote]
If you read through the entire thread, you will find that he wrote that tribute himself for himself. Just read the first page and that should be enough.
I don’t understand how these dinosaur threads come up from time to time. Do people really get so drunk they read a few posts and decide to respond to one of them no matter how old it is?
I just don’t get it.