Go Heavy Fool

UtahLama:

Yes I still have the same question… I’m willing to admit that I might be stupid, but honestly… I have read what Zap posted just now, I have read the original portion of the thread… I just do not see where you guys decided “force-10” was the same person as Go Heavy Fool? What was that decision based on exactly, is all I want to know? Because I don’t see it

it looks from zaps post like a part of what you quoted is missing, the original response was–according to this thread:

““He left, he didn’t get banned. I wish he wouldn’t have left. I had some questions for him as well Petedacook”… that would have been the correct response.”

unless you are suggesting that GHF originally typed just the first part that you’re implying, and then after realizing his mistake he then went back and wrote in that last part… IN WHICH CASE i can see where you guys are coming from. That would be pretty telling.

unless, like sasquatch thought, he was just responding in a weird third-person way.

_<

this is the reason i’m confused… i just don’t see any definitive evidence that GHF had all these accounts, or that he was talking to himself, or that he wasn’t who he claimed to be…

when i first read through this thread all it looked like to me was a bunch of people got together that didn’t like this person, and they picked on him until he realized he wasn’t welcome, so he just stopped showing up…

haha and no, i am not Go Heavy Fool. I’m sorry, i know you WANT me to be, but i am not him, julia87.

And I will disagree when I feel like the general consensus is wrong, but i am open to learn so please try to answer my questions if you still think these things

–Brian

Whatever…

I look forward to your traditional 700 word posts that make little or no sense.

Good to have you back.

[quote]mr popular wrote:
it looks from zaps post like a part of what you quoted is missing, the original response was–according to this thread:

““He left, he didn’t get banned. I wish he wouldn’t have left. I had some questions for him as well Petedacook”… that would have been the correct response.”

unless you are suggesting that GHF originally typed just the first part that you’re implying, and then after realizing his mistake he then went back and wrote in that last part… IN WHICH CASE i can see where you guys are coming from. That would be pretty telling.
–Brian[/quote]

It was pretty telling. He went back and edited his post, but several people had already quoted him, myself included.

Now, read the thread until you get it, because from that point in the thread on everyone else who doesn’t have reading comprehension caught on.

Your inability to draw the same conclusion is firing off alarms in everyone’s head about the possibility of GHF testing the waters to see whether or not anybody will still remember what a fool he made of himself.

[quote]vroom wrote:
mr popular wrote:
it looks from zaps post like a part of what you quoted is missing, the original response was–according to this thread:

““He left, he didn’t get banned. I wish he wouldn’t have left. I had some questions for him as well Petedacook”… that would have been the correct response.”

unless you are suggesting that GHF originally typed just the first part that you’re implying, and then after realizing his mistake he then went back and wrote in that last part… IN WHICH CASE i can see where you guys are coming from. That would be pretty telling.
–Brian

It was pretty telling. He went back and edited his post, but several people had already quoted him, myself included.

Now, read the thread until you get it, because from that point in the thread on everyone else who doesn’t have reading comprehension caught on.

Your inability to draw the same conclusion is firing off alarms in everyone’s head about the possibility of GHF testing the waters to see whether or not anybody will still remember what a fool he made of himself.[/quote]

Spot on V.

I think I see what you mean now. And the “You did too” looked like a confession to having more than one account…but, if that is true, honestly I’m dissappointed. =(

I got good advice from the guy, so if he truly is an old beanstalk with no training experience…that is sad in a very ironic way

oh well! At least we’ve still got a few good people around here that I can learn from.

However, now I’m curious to know whether or not the training I’m doing is good or bad. Is there anything in particular you guys could point out to me that was BAD training advice he has given?

–Brian

[quote]mr popular wrote:
However, now I’m curious to know whether or not the training I’m doing is good or bad. Is there anything in particular you guys could point out to me that was BAD training advice he has given?

–Brian[/quote]

Yes. All of his set/rep/load parameters were so far off in to the stratospere, that if a normal human being or even a comic book character did them, they would die from rhombolydosis.

He was a fucking joke. Don’t try being circuitous with us with a “point out one bad thing” strategy.

It was all bad.

This shit you’re pulling now is probably worse though.

From what I saw Ghf didn’t worry much about set/rep/load perameters. It was more about overloading and stressing the muscles.

It reminded me of the philosophy of a place like abcbodybuilding.com

very short to no rest periods, heavy weights, lots of burnout. Drop sets, post-fatigue, etc. etc…

To be honest most of the set/rep/load stuff goes over my head. But the idea of just training very intensely, with hardly any rest between sets, and kicking the ass of whatever muscle group you’re working that day, has been working for me

and i tried Waterbury’s set/rep bible thingy majigger… and i’m willing to admit i may not have done it right or something like that, but it simply didn’t work for me

so what i’m saying is maybe you’re judging his training philosophy the wrong way?

and…i do not know what you mean by “pulling this shit” but that does not sound very nice, although i do appreciate that you responded to my question.

if anyone else has anymore light to shed on this subject please chime in

–Brian

Constantly defending him, bringing back this thread that’s been buried for a while now, not seeing how he got caught logging in as at least 2 different names, then all of a sudden you do see it, and seemingly ONLY posting about him lately makes your case that you’re not him even weaker.

He learned how to post in the same way that Prof. X and Amsterdam Animal and other respected, intense regulars on here post, and he regurgitated that back into the forums with his own spin on it.

I’m sure the Mods can tell if you’re posting through the same IP address or not, so the truth can come out if they ever had a reason to tell it (but might be against their rules, I don’t know).

[quote]mr popular wrote:
From what I saw Ghf didn’t worry much about set/rep/load perameters. It was more about overloading and stressing the muscles.

It reminded me of the philosophy of a place like abcbodybuilding.com

very short to no rest periods, heavy weights, lots of burnout. Drop sets, post-fatigue, etc. etc…

To be honest most of the set/rep/load stuff goes over my head. But the idea of just training very intensely, with hardly any rest between sets, and kicking the ass of whatever muscle group you’re working that day, has been working for me

and i tried Waterbury’s set/rep bible thingy majigger… and i’m willing to admit i may not have done it right or something like that, but it simply didn’t work for me

so what i’m saying is maybe you’re judging his training philosophy the wrong way?

and…i do not know what you mean by “pulling this shit” but that does not sound very nice, although i do appreciate that you responded to my question.

if anyone else has anymore light to shed on this subject please chime in

–Brian[/quote]

you should just change your username to GHF2
Because…Im not buying it

who in their right mind would use “mr popular” as their username anyways?
Just like “mr lover”

i think im going to make a sweeping generalization just for fun. Anybody who has “mr.” in their username is now a crazy sociopath

Here’s some more of him talking to himself. I made GHF’s words in bold so it’s easier to recognize who’s saying what:

[quote]Force 10 wrote:
[b]Go heavy fool wrote:
Ok you’re 285, I’m 225. I guess I’ll have to compete outside my weight class because you were the only one with the balls who would show a photo.

Let the votes begin. TBT ot Split training.

I’ll be nice & vote for you.

You’re up 1-0 on me.

I’ll add up the votes later.[/b]

Both of you guys have way bigger arms than me. I will vote for Go heavy fool and body-split training. His arm has much more definition and his shoulders are huge.[/quote]

If you (mr. popular) wanted to understand what everyone was talking about with GHF, all you would have to do is look at a handful of his posts in different threads.

It’s really entertaining if you’re bored and have nothing better to do.

Jesus christ you people are really ridiculous. I have respect for you as a lifter, SWR, as I am not anywhere near your level…but come on guys…

i am not pretending to be someone i’m not.

This thread was only out for about a month when i found it, and do you want to know why i came accross it? I’ll be honest, i was looking for new posts by Go Heavy Fool to see if he had anymore tips

the same way i do for all of the people on this board that i look up to, and try to gain as much information as possible from as more experienced lifters

i come here. i see that his last posts were here, and now he’s gone. Would you be curious if suddenly prof. X, or Amsterdam Animal, or whoever you look up to suddenly just stopped posting and everybody said they were a phoney?

I genuinely wanted to know what the deal was

"not seeing how he got caught logging in as at least 2 different names, then all of a sudden you do see it, and seemingly ONLY posting about him lately makes your case that you’re not him even weaker. "

first of all. I did not “all of a sudden see it”…read my posts again, I only saw what you guys were talking about after i asked several questions in order clear it up and understand what was going on

thats like saying everybody thought the earth was flat, and then ALL OF A SUDDEN everybody thought it was round. There was a process of learning within that span of time, ya know what i’m saying?

and secondly, feel free to take a look at the frequency of my other posts. I do not post very often because I DO NOT HAVE MUCH TO SAY

I’m not a trainer, i’m not particularly a genius or very experienced in weightlifting. When I have something to comment on i do, but its few and far between, and in this case i only commented on this thread but it related to my training as a whole

is that really so difficult to understand?? Come on guys, i am not your enemy…

and Julia, i’m sorry but i am just not that person. I know you think i am, but i am not.

If I had GHF’s IPaddress, and if i knew where mine was (or honestly what that is) i would have no qualms about proving that we are different people

cuz the accusations here are truly getting out of hand. I am just looking for advice and to learn, i’m not trying to cause any TROUBLE

okay?

–Brian

Okay, if you’re truly not him then I apologize. When you posted here the first time, it was right in line with something he would have done, going off of the way he posted in the past.

I was also thinking that if you weren’t him, you’d probably be getting pissed about all these accusations, where as if you were him, you’d probably continue to casually act as if you just didn’t know what we were talking about.

Sorry you got caught in the mess he started, but it seemed obvious that GHF was posting as other loggin names and giving himself advice, and props; BUT then again, I can understand that not everyone spends as much time on this site as I do (I admitted many times I need a life) so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I can see how it would get annoying if everyone thinks you’re someone else and you’re really not.

[quote]Force 10 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
BTW…me thinks GHF no longer attends these forums

I have nothing to base this on, but I have a feeling he was quietly banned, though I suspect he’ll still be reading for a little while.

I’m sure he’s probably working out. You don’t get the kind of information that guy had and not use it. Go heavy was wicked smart, but he was condescending as hell and he knew it. That was the genius behind him. He could actually insult you without insulting you. I never saw him flame anyone, only return the flames with a training tip or slice into their particular weakness.

I was hoping he would log back in too, Now I have to resort back to common beliefs around here instead of someone actually telling me the truth. Why would he get banned, for being the most knowledgeable trainer on the site? He answered one of my PM’s yesterday and said he wasn’t logging back in because the site had too many flamers on it and not enough weight lifters.

If Prof X leaves, then I’ll have to find myself more sources of information. Go heavy had the best advice and sound advice on the site, the only people that might know more are the authors, but I doubt they have that kind of experience and intensity, or the midset that he had. Alpha F recognized this and called him indomitable in one of her posts. she might be the only person on the site who could have possible understood him. I’m lost and was just happy to receive the training tips. I’d like to bottle up whatever Go heavy had and use it at anything.

People like him are very rare. You won’t find that kind personality very often, kinda larger than life. Definitly too big for this site. I know his type because I’ve seen it before. He’s one of those Good Will Hunting types. Trying to understand him would be impossible, but learning from him wasn’t. The site could have used a lot more people like that. But, we’ll get the common knowledge and the daily flame throwers instead that don’t offer us anything more than average.

Go heavy was exceptional. Oh well, he left alot here that I’m still trying to comprehend. The funny thing is, those guys that flame him I bet never even tried some of his training advice. I have done what he suggests and it is bar none the greatest advice I could have gotten anywhere. He won’t back. Just like he said, he goes full force at everything he does then never looks back. [/quote]

Look how Force 10’s post above mimics Mr popular’s posts.

Welcome back Go Heavy Fool.

And just for laughs, this thread:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1295623&pageNo=13

We have Go Heavy in a conversation with Force 10. Essentially having a discussion with himself. I also noticed a similar writing style with “Avoids Roids.” Avoids Roids was also in on the same conversation. GHF was known to be strongly against steroids, it seems Avoids Roids might be a fitting name for GHF?

At any rate, this quote from the above link has GHF discussing load with Force 10, and Avoids Roids.

[quote]
Go Heavy Fool wrote:
Force 10 wrote:
Avoids Roids wrote:
Majin wrote:
It’s simple, the more you train a muscle group avoiding burnout the faster it will develop. Arnold trained more than any other bodybuilder. Of course he offset the overtraining with steroids…But these days bodybuilders take so much juice that it’s hard to tell how much their training is influencing their physiques at all.

Try training a muscle group more often without overtraining it. What do you think will happen? It’s going to grow faster.

What, does there have to be only one way? Is bodybuilding a science yet? No

“Frequency”, as it is sometimes referred to by us assholes.

What I understood from what Go heavy was saying is that frequency won’t matter if the stress isn’t an overload or great enough of an overload to force change. He was talking about this before he left. This makes sense to me and I’m not that smart. Those marathon runners run everyday and have legs the size of chopsticks. These guys are training their legs constantly and the frequency is almost constantly. Apparently what Go heavy was saying about stress applies here. If the stress; or stressload I think he called it, isn’t great enough, then you can’t create a great enough change to stimulate enough growth. That’s how I understood it anyway.

You’re on the right track. But that’s not how I would summarize it. It has to do with the stress and “TYPE” of stress applied. I was going to go into it after the flame train went through, but I had to go back to work. If you want, I can explain furthur on types of stress… neural/strength, hypertrophy/sarcoplasmic/ myofibrillar/sacremere… but the flame train of fools will be totaly lost when I get into this. They can’t even comprehend the basics of strength to mass ratio and frequency & stress relation for overload. [quote]

Mystery Pop,

According to his post as Force 10 in the beginners thread (if I recall correctly) he doesn’t sound like someone with a lot of experience.

You may want to find someone else to look up to… perhaps someone who is willing to post actual photos of more than a random arm, proving some actual progress.

Thank you I appreciate that, especially coming from you

a 435lb deadlift at 195lbs? I honestly would like to know how you worked up to that. I’m not a big fan of benching, but i love squatting and deadlifting because they help my martial arts performance so much

what did you do to increase your numbers like that?

I am currently just bodybuilding on a bodypart split routine. Training to gain 30lbs from my original weight and get up to 180lbs. I have already gained a little over ten pounds.

but i would love some strength gains as well!

help me out?

–Brian

[quote]Force 10 wrote:
I’m sure he’s probably working out. You don’t get the kind of information that guy had and not use it. Go heavy was wicked smart, but he was condescending as hell and he knew it. That was the genius behind him. He could actually insult you without insulting you. I never saw him flame anyone, only return the flames with a training tip or slice into their particular weakness.

People like him are very rare. You won’t find that kind personality very often, kinda larger than life. Definitly too big for this site. I know his type because I’ve seen it before. He’s one of those Good Will Hunting types. Trying to understand him would be impossible, but learning from him wasn’t. The site could have used a lot more people like that. But, we’ll get the common knowledge and the daily flame throwers instead that don’t offer us anything more than average.
[/quote]

Look, I don’t care what any one of you may think about him, but if I could masturbate as well as THIS guy I would never leave my goddamn dorm except to get more tissues.

Seriously, though, I classified this thread under the “too long/didn’t read” category and just skimmed, but I’m hoping someone can just toss out an answer to why people give a shit if he’s still here?

Petedacook:

OMG all of you people think I am a Ghf alias!!! Look at your posts, they’re all similar! You all have the same opinion!!

YOU MUST ALL BE THE SAME PERSON!!!

gimme a break.

[quote]mr popular wrote:
Thank you I appreciate that, especially coming from you

a 435lb deadlift at 195lbs? I honestly would like to know how you worked up to that. I’m not a big fan of benching, but i love squatting and deadlifting because they help my martial arts performance so much

what did you do to increase your numbers like that?

I am currently just bodybuilding on a bodypart split routine. Training to gain 30lbs from my original weight and get up to 180lbs. I have already gained a little over ten pounds.

but i would love some strength gains as well!

help me out?

–Brian[/quote]

Dude - at a buck-fifty, you could fall over backwards into a bucket of shit and still gain muscle mass.

GHF’s “program” worked for you because you didn’t have to think. You just lifted.

You jumped into the set/rep bible and tried to think - and screwed up your training.

In other words - you are not advanced enough to be training in an advanced manner. I highly doubt you trained exactly the way GHF said, because it is impossible for you to have the mind-muscle connection required for intensity of that level. I’m not saying that you didn’t train hard - I have no way of knowing. But I can be almost certain that a beginner has no business trying to train like an advanced lifter.

As for GHF - I highly doubt he even has a gym membership. He can read, and regurgitate like a pro - but is a far cry from walking the walk.

If he was indeed who he claimed to be, he would still be here posting away. Money talks - bullshit walks. Care to take a guess at which one GHF is?

[quote]mr popular wrote:

I believe that the worst thing you can call someone is “crazy”…because calling someone crazy is just dismissive.

[/quote]

What do you mean? I’m crazy and I love being called crazy; it gets me off. The more people think I’m crazy the happier I am.