never used just glutamine. if you eat enough protein, I doubt that the extra 3-5 grams would really matter anyways.
[quote]David Barr wrote:
I use 40g of glutamine peptides PWO and before bed, along with my NO-Xplode. It makes me swole.[/quote]
Hey BARR,
I hear if you take enough NO-Xplode, you’ll burst like the Hindenburg.
b a n a n a s
[quote]Powerslide wrote:
Glutamine, IMHO is a ‘wonder’ supplement. It keeps you from over-training, since the main thing that gets taxed during long, heavy workouts is your CNS. Thats where glutamine comes in. I’ve lifted more, and with greater ease while I was on it. I take it first thing in the morning. Then, preworkout with my Creatine. Post workout with my whey shake. And, at bedtime. 5g dose each. [/quote]
I might just be naiive, but could you please explain how Glutamine keeps you from overtraining via CNS support?
wtf?
anyone got a clue on this?
no?
[quote]Soldierslim wrote:
I could totally be wrong but I seen to remember Berardi stating that ONE of the reasons straight amino acids (to include the glutamine) was added to Surge was that it boosted the insulin response even more.
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Up the irons man! Cool avatar.
[quote]David Barr wrote:
I use 40g of glutamine peptides PWO and before bed, along with my NO-Xplode. It makes me swole.
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Is that before or after you take the sublingual creatine serum w/ boron? Just curious.
I have heard some positive feedback about Glutamine helping your immune system. Some of you have stated this also.
Any data to back this up?
[quote]
A. Do you use Glutamine?[/quote]
Yes
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B. Do you find that it makes a difference?[/quote]
Hard to say, I started taking other supps at the same time. I will know when I stop taking it
I stack it with creatine for my post WO, both in powder form. My roommate takes the glutamine pills though. He says he likes 'em.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
A. Do you use Glutamine?
B. Do you find that it makes a difference?
C. How do you take it if you do take it? With other Amino’s? or by itself?
Thanks for your help…
Zeb[/quote]
A. I used to, but don’t anymore.
B. I took it while cutting, stopped while bulking, and haven’t noticed a difference. But I think it could be beneficial when on a hypocaloric diet and under a lot of stress. That said, I probably won’t buy it again, because I’d rather spend my money on other supps (rhodiola, forskolin, taurine, tyrosine).
C. I took it by itself, immediately PWO, about 40 minutes before another PWO drink. I wanted to boost GH as much as possible, to hang onto my muscle while I was cutting and doing a lot of cardio. Based on studies, I think forskolin will do that job as well or better, and rhodiola will be as good or better for counteracting CNS stress. Taurine and tyrosine will, among other things, help keep thyroid healthy (forskolin is good for that too), especially while cutting and possibly upping stims.
[quote]David Barr wrote:
I use 40g of glutamine peptides PWO and before bed, along with my NO-Xplode. It makes me swole.[/quote]
How very telling in so many ways!
It certainly lends credence to all you’ve written and that which you will.
The mere fact that you can’t debate your beliefs, but would rather attempt to belittle, simply paints you as a buffoon.
It’s perplexing.
I’ve been using it for the last few weeks, and i feel a difference in my workouts.
I use Surge post workout, ran out and had to make due, so i bought some pure glutamine to make my own PWO shake.
Got my Surge and didn’t think about the glutamine i had bought for months.
Then recently i thought i would try it pre workout. I usually don’t like working out on a full or semi-full stomach, so my state pre workout is sometimes a tad depleted.
Definitely felt a difference in my strength, and more specifically my endurance throughout the workout; didn’t feel like i got hit by a truck towards the end.
I’ve asked the “why is it in Surge” question here before.
The supplement was developed by Berardi, includes a lot of Glutamine, however he has written articles about it being one of the more useless supplements on the market.
Here’s what Doc Berardi has had to say:
-Therefore, at the present time, I think it’s safe to conclude that glutamine supplementation probably offers little to no benefit with respect to athletic performance or body composition when given to well-fed, healthy athletes.
-Considering how much protein most bodybuilders consume, additional glutamine supplementation are probably worthless. Personally, I only prescribe it to my skiers during altitude and glacier training, to steroid users coming “off,” to bodybuilders during the last few weeks of competition dieting, and to people who are injured and trying hard to recover. If you don’t fall into any of these categories, spend your money on more groceries.
And he sites Dave Barr’s findings in his article as well:
-The major studies examining glutamine supplementation in otherwise healthy weightlifters have shown no effect. In the study by Candow et al (2001), 0.9g of supplemental glutamine/kg/day had no impact on muscle performance, body composition, and protein degradation. Folks, that’s 90g per day for some lifters.
-The majority of the studies using glutamine supplementation in endurance athletes have shown little to no measurable benefit on performance or immune function.
Hmmmmm.
No, I spend so much friggin money on food and protein supplementation alone, not to mention anything else I may take, that I cannot justify its use without taking supplement loans.
Yes, but not enough to justify its use
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Dr. Lowery placed this in his article:
"In the past I personally think that I’ve benefited from just a quarter-scoop (~1 Tbsp) of protein powder, an egg white or even 3-5g of glutamine or indispensable amino acids just as I’m beginning the “cardio”.
I have been reading so many conflicting reports on Glutamine that I want to poll the T-Nation members to find out:
A. Do you use Glutamine?
B. Do you find that it makes a difference?
C. How do you take it if you do take it? With other Amino’s? or by itself?
Thanks for your help…
Zeb[/quote]
A. I only use it when dieting down.
B. I find that it helps me recover quicker when on lower calories, as well it helps control my hunger pains.
C. I take tablespoon in water when I wake up, before I go to bed, and mixed in post workout shake.
Tastes kinda nasty, but you get used to it. Saw a female bodybuilder just put a scoop in her mouth and then wash it down that was hardcore.
I could be mistaken, but I thought I had read in multiple places by more than one author on this site that glutamine ingested orally is destroyed by the digestive tract before it can be used. If taken via I.V. it could work, but I thought it had been discovered that it doesn’t survive the digestive process.
[quote]Damici wrote:
I could be mistaken, but I thought I had read in multiple places by more than one author on this site that glutamine ingested orally is destroyed by the digestive tract before it can be used. If taken via I.V. it could work, but I thought it had been discovered that it doesn’t survive the digestive process.[/quote]
I was just reading an article about this.
Some (up to ~45%) does survive the digestive tract. And the more one ingests, relatively less is taken up by the gut.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
gonta47 wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
I use glut. I put it in my PWO and also a scoop before bed with ZMA. I think it helps keep my immune system jacked. I swear by its ability to ward off bugs during high stress or heavy workouts.
you don’t use Surge? 2 demerit points!!!
He didn’t say he didn’t use Surge. that may well be what he means by PWO> Anyhow, you can make your own shake that is just as good as Surge with a nearly identical profile. Except it tastes like ass and is a pain in the ass to mix.
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Why would you put glut. in Surge when it already contains it?
[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
Soldierslim wrote:
I could totally be wrong but I seen to remember Berardi stating that ONE of the reasons straight amino acids (to include the glutamine) was added to Surge was that it boosted the insulin response even more.
Up the irons man! Cool avatar.[/quote]
Maiden till I die!!
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
gonta47 wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
I use glut. I put it in my PWO and also a scoop before bed with ZMA. I think it helps keep my immune system jacked. I swear by its ability to ward off bugs during high stress or heavy workouts.
you don’t use Surge? 2 demerit points!!!
He didn’t say he didn’t use Surge. that may well be what he means by PWO> Anyhow, you can make your own shake that is just as good as Surge with a nearly identical profile. Except it tastes like ass and is a pain in the ass to mix.
I don’t use Surge. I have been working out for some time before Surge came along and have done quite well thank you. I like this site, but if you think the only way to gain muscle is to ingest only these supps is pretty ridiculous.
My PWO is gatorade/glut/protein.
I carry almost 230-240lbs of lbm.
I don’t eat rolled oats for breakfast.
I mix fats and carbs.
I believe in glut.
I don’t get results from creatine.
You see, I’ve got experience and my own empirical evidence by which I measure my progress and what works for me. I don’t let one article or one study determine my workout or my nutrition. Surge may be good. But if glut is bad for you, why was it added to Surge?
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Oh lighten up - I was only kidding you. Another demerit point.
I used to use glutamine when I was in the Marines and running a lot. I found it especially useful when I was gearing up for a semi-annual fitness test, which meant trying to trim off about 5lb of fat and upping my cardio volume.
I would start with 5g before and 5g after training and would gradually up that to 5g 3 or 4 times a day the closer I got to the test. I found it helped to stave off overtraining as well as keep me from getting the nagging colds, etc. that tend to come from an overstressed immune system (a high running volume for several weeks will do that to you).
I continued to use it after I got out and quit running but didn’t notice any benefit when I was just weight training. IMO 5g of glutamine along with say Gatorade PWO doesn’t even compare to Surge. If you do an assload of running or cross-training, I think it does have it’s place, though.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
David Barr wrote:
I use 40g of glutamine peptides PWO and before bed, along with my NO-Xplode. It makes me swole.
How very telling in so many ways!
It certainly lends credence to all you’ve written and that which you will.
The mere fact that you can’t debate your beliefs, but would rather attempt to belittle, simply paints you as a buffoon.[/quote]
Are you serious? A joke post not meant to debate any beliefs makes someone a buffoon?
[quote]gonta47 wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
gonta47 wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
I use glut. I put it in my PWO and also a scoop before bed with ZMA. I think it helps keep my immune system jacked. I swear by its ability to ward off bugs during high stress or heavy workouts.
you don’t use Surge? 2 demerit points!!!
He didn’t say he didn’t use Surge. that may well be what he means by PWO> Anyhow, you can make your own shake that is just as good as Surge with a nearly identical profile. Except it tastes like ass and is a pain in the ass to mix.
Why would you put glut. in Surge when it already contains it?
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Huh? I was talking about added glutamine. I was talking about making your own PWO shake. Using the hyrdrolyzed whey that I used mixed with dex and malto, my shake had a nearly identical profile to Surge. Including glutamine. And tasted terrible and was a pain in the ass to make.