[quote]Gregus wrote:
Like with religion i find that the people who Grovel at God and are blind to Everything are in the same boat as the people who spend a lifetime to Disprove God’s Existence. Both Extreme fringe persons and incorrect in all likely hood. Ryan P. falls in one of these two categories.
There is no science good enough to conclusively prove anything in any direction. For every proof by one side the other side has the antidote. lol. [/quote]
No, that is not true. There are many things we know very well and for which there is no “other side” but error. For example we know very well how objects fall under gravity, and so if some fool has a theory in which an unsupported, denser-than-air object in Earth’s gravity supposedly is going to float upwards, he is wrong.
Thermodynamics is also one of those things for which there is no “other side” except error.[/quote]
Ofcourse You’re correct but I trust the message behind my message was not lost.
Well, for that matter, Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation hasn’t been proven, either. I’m not saying that AGW is as rigorously tested as gravity, but you can’t really prove much of anything outside of mathematics.
Well, for that matter, Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation hasn’t been proven, either. I’m not saying that AGW is as rigorously tested as gravity, but you can’t really prove much of anything outside of mathematics.
So why the massive conspiracy?[/quote]
Because it is profitable for some people when the rest is forced to pay for it at gunpoint.
Hence the more than 3000 GW lobbyists in Washington.
Add the ones in Brussels and you have a small army that is paid to talk about nothing but the dangers of GW and how their company can help prevent it.
Conspiracy? I don’t think so. Power-to-oppress is the natural course of Governments over time. THAT has been proven (at least universally observed) throughout history.
This isn’t about conspiracy-- it’s about control, Mr. USSR.
Conspiracy? I don’t think so. Power-to-oppress is the natural course of Governments over time. THAT has been proven (at least universally observed) throughout history.
This isn’t about conspiracy-- it’s about control, Mr. USSR.[/quote]
Please. To dismiss all the harmful effects of AGW (yes, it’s real–deal with it) as an attempt by government to “control people’s lives” is completely asinine. Why do these governments want to control people? It’s amazing the number of people that buy into the Libertarians’ comic book fantasies. The EVIL government wants to CONTROL YOU!! Pay no attention to the fact that the government is composed of regular people, just like you, and they have no motive for wanting to control people. Don’t question us when we tell you that the government can’t even run a car company, but they can supposedly pull off the most massive conspiracy known to man.
It’s amazing how far people will go to avoid thinking.
Pay no attention to the fact that the government is composed of regular people, just like you, and they have no motive for wanting to control people. Don’t question us when we tell you that the government can’t even run a car company, but they can supposedly pull off the most massive conspiracy known to man.
It’s amazing how far people will go to avoid thinking.
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That must be the most naive statement I have ever read-
So they are just like you or me which is why they would never take advantage of other people given near unlimited power?
Maybe you problem is that you do not know yourself very well?
Conspiracy? I don’t think so. Power-to-oppress is the natural course of Governments over time. THAT has been proven (at least universally observed) throughout history.
This isn’t about conspiracy-- it’s about control, Mr. USSR.[/quote]
Please. To dismiss all the harmful effects of AGW (yes, it’s real–deal with it) as an attempt by government to “control people’s lives” is completely asinine. Why do these governments want to control people? It’s amazing the number of people that buy into the Libertarians’ comic book fantasies. The EVIL government wants to CONTROL YOU!! Pay no attention to the fact that the government is composed of regular people, just like you, and they have no motive for wanting to control people. Don’t question us when we tell you that the government can’t even run a car company, but they can supposedly pull off the most massive conspiracy known to man.
It’s amazing how far people will go to avoid thinking.
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Do you mind explaining your side of GW and why it is indeed real? Just curious.
[quote]orion wrote:That must be the most naive statement I have ever read-
So they are just like you or me which is why they would never take advantage of other people given near unlimited power?
Maybe you problem is that you do not know yourself very well?[/quote]
I’m sure many true statements sound naive to you when your entire worldview must negate reality in order to become coherent.
They are just like everyone else in that they WILL take advantage of other people given near unlimited power. According to you, this phenomenon is miraculously absent in the private sector.
My side? There are no personal sides. Put away all the arguments about temperatures, climate cycles, etc. I simply make the observation that without atmospheric gases of the kind implicated in global warming, the planet would be too cold to support us. Global warming deniers ask you to believe that this process happily stops at our present temperature. How convenient.
[quote]orion wrote:That must be the most naive statement I have ever read-
So they are just like you or me which is why they would never take advantage of other people given near unlimited power?
Maybe you problem is that you do not know yourself very well?[/quote]
I’m sure many true statements sound naive to you when your entire worldview must negate reality in order to become coherent.
They are just like everyone else in that they WILL take advantage of other people given near unlimited power. According to you, this phenomenon is miraculously absent in the private sector.[/quote]
Not really.
This absence is easily explained by competition, which is the very thing governments do not have.
No, that is not true. There are many things we know very well and for which there is no “other side” but error. For example we know very well how objects fall under gravity, and so if some fool has a theory in which an unsupported, denser-than-air object in Earth’s gravity supposedly is going to float upwards, he is wrong.
Thermodynamics is also one of those things for which there is no “other side” except error.[/quote]
I agree… This is the difference between “laws” and “theories”… A law has been proven and is accepted as fact (such as the law of gravity). Things such as the global warming issues are merely theories and can absolutely be refuted. There shouldn’t be laws created to dictate our behaviors based on a theory that can be disproved.
[quote]dnky67 wrote:
Things such as the global warming issues are merely theories and can absolutely be refuted.
There shouldn’t be laws created to dictate our behaviors based on a theory that can be disproved.[/quote]
One small point-- “AGW” has not even made ‘theory’ status. It hasn’t even made ‘consensus’ status. It is at best, hypothesis, and one that’s losing traction as more data are revealed and assumptions questions.
Exception of course being Ryan P. Carter– he just knows it’s REAL!
[quote]dnky67 wrote:
Things such as the global warming issues are merely theories and can absolutely be refuted.
There shouldn’t be laws created to dictate our behaviors based on a theory that can be disproved.[/quote]
One small point-- “AGW” has not even made ‘theory’ status. It hasn’t even made ‘consensus’ status. It is at best, hypothesis, and one that’s losing traction as more data are revealed and assumptions questions.
Exception of course being Ryan P. Carter– he just knows it’s REAL![/quote]