Beck’s Live Free or Die documentary on murderous 20th century communism and the rewritten history surrounding it was pretty interesting. Better than I though it would be the way he hyped it all week.
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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Beck’s Live Free or Die documentary on murderous 20th century communism and the rewritten history surrounding it was pretty interesting. Better than I though it would be the way he hyped it all week.
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I liked it too, but I think he’s kind of reaching claiming that those on the left state that Hitler was to the right. And I was indeed surprised that Mao was a bigger killer than Stalin. I always thought that Stalin was the king.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
…I think he’s kind of reaching claiming that those on the left state that Hitler was to the right… [/quote]
What? You kidding?
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That goes right along with all the rewritten history about FDR as well. It’s always assumed that the Nazi platform was extreme right wing-ism when in reality it was a sort of teutonically flavored marxism.
Adult convert to Mormonism…
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
Adult convert to Mormonism…[/quote]
So?
His wife told him to join a church or else she would not marry him.
Is he pussy whipped beyond belief?
Hell yes.
A devout Mormon?
I doubt it.
Glenn Beck is an egomaniac, a sociopath, suffers from a complete break with reality and an absolute disregard for the facts. I love watching him try to explain his paranoid theories on the blackboard on Fox “news”. I feel sorry for anyone who can’t sort out that this guy is full of shit, and that includes my dad. A good reason not to follow a “beta” male. What a complete tool.
[quote]raybbaby wrote:
Glenn Beck is an egomaniac, a sociopath, suffers from a complete break with reality and an absolute disregard for the facts. I love watching him try to explain his paranoid theories on the blackboard on Fox “news”. I feel sorry for anyone who can’t sort out that this guy is full of shit, and that includes my dad. A good reason not to follow a “beta” male. What a complete tool.[/quote]
Well I can only extend the invitaion quite a few others on this board have received:
Show us where he is factually wrong.
Bonus points if you find something that he did not take back after finding out that he was wrong.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]raybbaby wrote:
Glenn Beck is an egomaniac, a sociopath, suffers from a complete break with reality and an absolute disregard for the facts. I love watching him try to explain his paranoid theories on the blackboard on Fox “news”. I feel sorry for anyone who can’t sort out that this guy is full of shit, and that includes my dad. A good reason not to follow a “beta” male. What a complete tool.[/quote]
Well I can only extend the invitaion quite a few others on this board have received:
Show us where he is factually wrong.
Bonus points if you find something that he did not take back after finding out that he was wrong.
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We can put him on the list of others who are also searching
[quote]raybbaby wrote:
Glenn Beck is an egomaniac, a sociopath, suffers from a complete break with reality and an absolute disregard for the facts. I love watching him try to explain his paranoid theories on the blackboard on Fox “news”. I feel sorry for anyone who can’t sort out that this guy is full of shit, and that includes my dad. A good reason not to follow a “beta” male. What a complete tool.[/quote]
An absurd and worthless post. A sociopath? Good grief. How did you make that diagnosis, doctor?
Glen Beck presents a lot of compelling arguments and usually does it by simply playing clips of the socialist maniacs stating their beliefs in plain English.
I love all the “alpha” and “beta” male talk too. Most of us here believe in thinking for ourselves and not following anyone. Perhaps you could list some “alpha” males you suggest following?
On a side note, the “Live Free or Die” documentary was brilliant stuff. Every “useful idiot” running around touting communism(“It has never been tried in its pure form, man”) should watch this. Anita Dunn saying Mao is one of her favorite philosophers should chill you to the bone. Mao’s body count by some estimates is 4 times higher than Hitler’s and someone in our government cites him as a favored philosopher?
He often comes off a bit odd to be sure and we could do without the constant crying, but Glen Beck is doing good work in exposing these treasonous hacks.
I used to listen to Glenn Beck on my ride into work when I was in the Air Force down in Florida a few (3 or 4) years ago. I was surprised when he got a show on CNN and a lot less surprised when he moved over to Fox (when is Lou Dobbs getting his show on Fox?) …
Anyways, I don’t really watch/listen to him anymore … when I did I pretty much thought he was spot on and used a lot of common sense … looking back on it now he used what a lot of other commentators (because that’s what he is … a political commentator) use … they lead you down their path of logic (or illogic in Olberman’s case). Beck presents his facts well, but has become a bit of a show man and sensationalist.
Does this make him any more or less accurate? No, because a lot of what he concludes is a matter of opinion based in fact and presented in an entertaining and thought provoking (in most cases) way.
He also uses the Socratic method very effectively …
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]raybbaby wrote:
Glenn Beck is an egomaniac, a sociopath, suffers from a complete break with reality and an absolute disregard for the facts. I love watching him try to explain his paranoid theories on the blackboard on Fox “news”. I feel sorry for anyone who can’t sort out that this guy is full of shit, and that includes my dad. A good reason not to follow a “beta” male. What a complete tool.[/quote]
Well I can only extend the invitaion quite a few others on this board have received:
Show us where he is factually wrong.
Bonus points if you find something that he did not take back after finding out that he was wrong.
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We can put him on the list of others who are also searching[/quote]
No, we can put him on the list of the addle-brained who don’t search; they merely parrot what others, also addle-brained as well as intensely, emotionally, feverishly statist, say about Beck.
This list is starting to grow here on PWI but have you noticed those on it tend to drift off like dandelion seed in a warm summer breeze?[/quote]
I’m sure that’s correct. Right now Beck is demonstrating what has already been established about Obama’s huge spending increase being frozen and spun into savings for the truly simple among us. It’s just that type of thing we’ll never see refuted. He may mis or overstate something here or there, but the main thrust of his show and the resources he uses to document it are in the main quite sound.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]raybbaby wrote:
Glenn Beck is an egomaniac, a sociopath, suffers from a complete break with reality and an absolute disregard for the facts. I love watching him try to explain his paranoid theories on the blackboard on Fox “news”. I feel sorry for anyone who can’t sort out that this guy is full of shit, and that includes my dad. A good reason not to follow a “beta” male. What a complete tool.[/quote]
Well I can only extend the invitaion quite a few others on this board have received:
Show us where he is factually wrong.
Bonus points if you find something that he did not take back after finding out that he was wrong.
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We can put him on the list of others who are also searching[/quote]
No, we can put him on the list of the addle-brained who don’t search; they merely parrot what others, also addle-brained as well as intensely, emotionally, feverishly statist, say about Beck.
This list is starting to grow here on PWI but have you noticed those on it tend to drift off like dandelion seed in a warm summer breeze?[/quote]
Here, retards.
Glenn Beck claimed $1.4 million of stimulus money was spent to repair a door in Dyess Air Force base. Actually, the money was for hangar doors, and the amount was actually $246,100. 1.4 million was spent to replace gas mains, because that’s a safety issue, doncha know.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200907210005
Beck claimed that Obama was the first president to not be sworn in using a Bible. Actually, John Quincy Adams, Teddy Roosevelt, and Lyndon Johnson all did not use bibles.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/22/glenn-beck-bible/
Beck claimed that the U.S. was the only country in the world to have “birthright citizenship” and therefore, “anchor babies.” He forgot Canada, Mexico, and over thirty other countries.
http://www.politifact.org/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/19/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-claims-us-only-country-automatic-citize/
Beck claimed that “science czar” John Holdren advocated forced abortions and forced sterilization. While Holdren discussed these methods in a textbook he co-wrote, he never once advocated them, and when questioned by the Senate, confirmed that he did not advocate these methods.
Beck claimed in his recent documentary, which you all seem to be creaming your panties over, that fascism is actually a phenomenon of the left. Of course, Beck isn’t quite smart enough to come up with an idea like that, so his good buddy Jonah Goldberg stepped in for him. Oh, turns out Goldberg is a fraud.
He forges a link between fascism and liberalism only by incorrectly defining fascism and eliminating relevant information. Real historians have dismissed Goldberg’s book as nonsense, as can be seen here.
This took a few minutes of searching on Google. If any of you still believe that Glenn Beck is anything but a fraud, well, I suppose ignorance is bliss.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]jimmyjesus17 wrote:
…Beck claimed that “science czar” John Holdren advocated forced abortions and forced sterilization. While Holdren discussed these methods in a textbook he co-wrote, he never once advocated them, and when questioned by the Senate, confirmed that he did not advocate these methods.
[/quote]You apparently didn’t even read the excerpts from Holdren’s book from the link you provided, did you? He presented those options, forced abortions and sterilization, and his language is very, very, very close to advocacy for consideration if not outright support.
You need to read the links you provide, junior. You apparently are just another copy and paste without examination kinda guy, aren’t ya?[/quote]
No, sweetie, but that was a good try. In fact, I did read the entire thing. I actually hoped you would too, but alas. So let’s break it down.
1)Beck claims Holdren advocates forced abortion
2)Holdren does not advocate it, but discusses it as an option, pondering the constitutionality of it. He never advocates it. To advocate is to “speak or write in support of something.” And never once does he indicate he supports it. You say the language is very close. I happen to not give a damn if you think the language is “close” or not (what do you even mean by that? care to explain?). It is his job to discuss and ponder the plausibility, as well as the legal and ethical repercussions, of these actions. If he hurt your feelings by not typing in caps that he didn’t support it, I am sure he is sorry.
Also, why the hate of the left wing? I wouldn’t criticize you for providing a link from Fox News, or even, dare I say, Glenn Beck, if the article seemed like it was factually sound. Skepticism is healthy, but outright dismissal based on a perceived political agenda is a little juvenile. BTW, I love how you don’t actually refute the content of the articles. Show’s how right you are.
As for the Goldberg book, you must realize that this is not just a mere difference of opinion. He defines fascism so broadly that it becomes meaningless. His definition, as Paxton points out, is “any use of state power to make the world better and create a community.” Paxton goes on to point out that liberal fascism is an oxymoron, and states “Goldberg simply omits those parts of fascist history that fit badly with his demonstration. His method is to examine fascist rhetoric, but to ignore how fascist movements functioned in practice. Since the Nazis recruited their first mass following among the economic and social losers of Weimar Germany, they could sound anti-capitalist at the beginning. Goldberg makes a big thing of the early programs of the Nazi and Italian Fascist Parties, and publishes the Nazi Twenty-five Points as an appendix. A closer look would show that the Nazisâ?? anti-capitalism was a selective affair, opposed to international capital and finance capital, department stores and Jewish businesses, but nowhere opposed to private property per se or favorable to a transfer of all the means of production to public ownership.”
In fact, businesses, while initially concerned with Hitler, prospered greatly under his rule, as he neatly destroyed all unions and criminalized striking. These business, along with Germany’s socialists (who were placed in concentration camps) would have “found it ludicrous that Hitler, once in power, was on the left.”
By the by, I’m not seventeen either. Don’t read too deeply into signs that aren’t there. Like the roots of liberalism in fascism. And next time, do me a favor and read the links I provide.