Giving This a Second Shot...

Pharma
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[quote]Scott M wrote:
The reason I see it that people don’t jump on guys who are genetically gifted towards the sport jumping on AAS early is risk reward ratios. If a 19 year old Jay Cutler wants to start using AAS and shows tremendous potential to turn pro and be successful(like he obviously did) it might be worth it to him long term to potentially endanger himself. A 100k+ a year supplement contract as well as guest poses, DVDS etc etc make it a little more worthwhile than just gaining 30-50 lbs to fill out the XXL shirts or hang a 19 inch arm out a car window.

If the risk to reward(what is the reward?) ratio works out in your mind then no ones going to convince you otherwise. If you are going to do this regardless at least be patient enough to study the subject very extensively before you take the plunge.

Edit: and to add you usually don’t see those type of guys posting on boards for advice or asking questions either. Someone will see their potential and groom them most likely… including drugs. [/quote]

Yah believe me man, I’m definately doing research, I’ve been looking at this stuff for about 2 years now. I’m confident in my ability to put together and run a test/dbol cycle. I just had a few questions about what AI to use since I had read that nolva was now considered a carcinogin(sp) and if there was something better. I know what dosages to use, how to aspirate, how to do the taper, etc. I just wanted some insight from some vets, but instead I get shitted on. . .

I mean I’ve put on 20-30 most of which is LBM, every year I’ve been lifting. I just want to see what I’m capable of with some enhancement, while my body can still take the punishment of heavy poundages and high intensity workouts with out getting injuries and all that crap that happens as you get older.

Like you said, the risk to reward ratio is whats all important, and its a risk I’m willing to take. Rest assured though, I’l def be doing more research. I just don’t think its right for people to judge me and refuse to help me b/c they don’t see me as the next Jay Cutler.

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In the end no one(at least on this forum) is going to tell an 18-19 year old kid how to take steroids or related topics… it would be incredibly irresponsible.

I don’t think you should use them either but if you are going to know that you will be shit on because for every 1 young guy who can responsibly use them and not mess himself up there are 100s who will and AAS will get the blame… not the kids idiocy.

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[quote]Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Dylan don’t you have anything better to do? Make fun of me all you want. Next time I see you make a post about having some goals Il say this…
“You have gyno dude! You’re worthless, gtfo, don’t workout anymore, etc etc.”

Thats basically all you are doing here, but saying things that you think fit my circumstances. I for one would not sink to your level and post something like that in one of your threads, but I’m just giving you an example of what you’re saying in mine for no reason.

i had reasons, you think that what you are saying is justifying your use of steroids, but its just making you look like a fool, youve already been told your genetics are generic, and your phsyique is mediocre. you think just because you are the “biggest guy” in your school besides the lineman (very sad for a D1 school) and getting comments like “holey shit dude” means that you have a chance at the pros, and gear is the only means to your end, is laughable, and once again proving your mental immaturity.[/quote]

You obviously have no goals. I personally just think you’re jealous. Btw I go to a ranked SEC school so you obviously dunno wtf your talking about, fool. Of course steroids is the means to an end getting in the IFBB lol who are you kidding? Why aren’t there any natural guys in the IFBB? b/c they don’t use steroids and can’t contend with those who do…duh. I guess if I also said I was a collegiate football player and wanted to go pro in that you would have some smartass comments explaining that I can’t just because you saw the picture in my avatar? You have gyno, I’m tired of your BS, stfu.

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[quote]Scott M wrote:
In the end no one(at least on this forum) is going to tell an 18-19 year old kid how to take steroids or related topics… it would be incredibly irresponsible.

I don’t think you should use them either but if you are going to know that you will be shit on because for every 1 young guy who can responsibly use them and not mess himself up there are 100s who will and AAS will get the blame… not the kids idiocy.

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Should kids be having sex when they are 14-15 years old? No. However, it’s well known that they do, so there is sex ed taught so that they can have sex safely and minimize thier chances of an STD and teenage pregnacies. Is it irresponsible for kids that young to have sex? Probably, but if they are going to do it regardless, isn’t it irresponsible for knowing adults to withhold information about safe sex b/c they don’t think kids should be doing it? I think so.

The same thing goes for steroids. I am far from being a kid, Im an “adult”, I’ve been lifting for 4 years, I have my shit together. But you guys think im 2 years or so too young, and as such refuse to help me. Is it somewhat irresponsible for me to use AAS at my age? Probably. Is it somewhat irresponsible for people refusing to give me help because they are holding that against me? Il let you be the judge.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Dylan don’t you have anything better to do? Make fun of me all you want. Next time I see you make a post about having some goals Il say this…
“You have gyno dude! You’re worthless, gtfo, don’t workout anymore, etc etc.”

Thats basically all you are doing here, but saying things that you think fit my circumstances. I for one would not sink to your level and post something like that in one of your threads, but I’m just giving you an example of what you’re saying in mine for no reason.

i had reasons, you think that what you are saying is justifying your use of steroids, but its just making you look like a fool, youve already been told your genetics are generic, and your phsyique is mediocre. you think just because you are the “biggest guy” in your school besides the lineman (very sad for a D1 school) and getting comments like “holey shit dude” means that you have a chance at the pros, and gear is the only means to your end, is laughable, and once again proving your mental immaturity.

You obviously have no goals. I personally just think you’re jealous. Btw I go to a ranked SEC school so you obviously dunno wtf your talking about, fool. Of course steroids is the means to an end getting in the IFBB lol who are you kidding? Why aren’t there any natural guys in the IFBB? b/c they don’t use steroids and can’t contend with those who do…duh. I guess if I also said I was a collegiate football player and wanted to go pro in that you would have some smartass comments explaining that I can’t just because you saw the picture in my avatar? You have gyno, I’m tired of your BS, stfu.[/quote]

ahha, im jealous? compaire our avatars, im pretty sure i have nothing to be jealous of. ive been training a year less than you and look like ive been training 5 yr longer. not trying to pat myself on my own back, but your a dumbass. i have goals, im just very smart about them and know that using gear at my age with fuck me up. grats on bein in a SEC school, still very sad your considered the biggest guy there, you arent very big, maybe a little fat, but not that big…haha jealous

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[quote]Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Dylan don’t you have anything better to do? Make fun of me all you want. Next time I see you make a post about having some goals Il say this…
“You have gyno dude! You’re worthless, gtfo, don’t workout anymore, etc etc.”

Thats basically all you are doing here, but saying things that you think fit my circumstances. I for one would not sink to your level and post something like that in one of your threads, but I’m just giving you an example of what you’re saying in mine for no reason.

i had reasons, you think that what you are saying is justifying your use of steroids, but its just making you look like a fool, youve already been told your genetics are generic, and your phsyique is mediocre. you think just because you are the “biggest guy” in your school besides the lineman (very sad for a D1 school) and getting comments like “holey shit dude” means that you have a chance at the pros, and gear is the only means to your end, is laughable, and once again proving your mental immaturity.

You obviously have no goals. I personally just think you’re jealous. Btw I go to a ranked SEC school so you obviously dunno wtf your talking about, fool. Of course steroids is the means to an end getting in the IFBB lol who are you kidding? Why aren’t there any natural guys in the IFBB? b/c they don’t use steroids and can’t contend with those who do…duh. I guess if I also said I was a collegiate football player and wanted to go pro in that you would have some smartass comments explaining that I can’t just because you saw the picture in my avatar? You have gyno, I’m tired of your BS, stfu.

ahha, im jealous? compaire our avatars, im pretty sure i have nothing to be jealous of. ive been training a year less than you and look like ive been training 5 yr longer. not trying to pat myself on my own back, but your a dumbass. i have goals, im just very smart about them and know that using gear at my age with fuck me up. grats on bein in a SEC school, still very sad your considered the biggest guy there, you arent very big, maybe a little fat, but not that big…haha jealous

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You can say whatever you like, I still run you. My back is a lot bigger than yours, you just have lower bf, whats your point? Dont flatter yourself bud, go e-rage somewhere else.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Is it somewhat irresponsible for me to use AAS at my age? Probably. Is it somewhat irresponsible for people refusing to give me help because they are holding that against me? Il let you be the judge.[/quote]

That’s a good point. I like it. Someone should create a thread to discuss the ethics of helping young users.

On the one hand it would be irresponsible to help them. It’s giving them the ammo to potentially screw themselves up really good.

Then again, it would be irresponsible to turn your back on them. If someone is going to use no matter what, then they should get the needed advice to minimize their risks. But you’re also enabling them to carry on the bad behavior.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
You can say whatever you like, I still run you. My back is a lot bigger than yours, you just have lower bf, whats your point? Dont flatter yourself bud, go e-rage somewhere else.[/quote]

you must be blind.

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[quote]Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
You can say whatever you like, I still run you. My back is a lot bigger than yours, you just have lower bf, whats your point? Dont flatter yourself bud, go e-rage somewhere else.

you must be blind.[/quote]

fellas,lets not turn this into a pissing match.

we all can see the truth and if this kid wants to be delusional then so be it.

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[quote]Nich wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
You can say whatever you like, I still run you. My back is a lot bigger than yours, you just have lower bf, whats your point? Dont flatter yourself bud, go e-rage somewhere else.

you must be blind.

fellas,lets not turn this into a pissing match.

we all can see the truth and if this kid wants to be delusional then so be it.

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yep, sorry, thanks.

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[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
Is it somewhat irresponsible for me to use AAS at my age? Probably. Is it somewhat irresponsible for people refusing to give me help because they are holding that against me? Il let you be the judge.

That’s a good point. I like it. Someone should create a thread to discuss the ethics of helping young users.

On the one hand it would be irresponsible to help them. It’s giving them the ammo to potentially screw themselves up really good.

Then again, it would be irresponsible to turn your back on them. If someone is going to use no matter what, then they should get the needed advice to minimize their risks. But you’re also enabling them to carry on the bad behavior.[/quote]

i once thought that i was ready for steroids, some of the vets remember me from a year ago, acting just as stuborn and stupid as this kid. i took their advice which was “your a dumbass kid, stop and think for a second. youll fuck yourself up. youve got no idea what your doing” and didnt do a cycle. i was pissed off at every single person that commented on my threads, but i still took their advice, and i dont regret it at all. and now i know a shit ton more about steroids. because i know that i eventually will use, i figure it cant hurt to get as much info as possible so when i am ready, mentally and physically, i can get the most out of my first cycle.

kids like this goon need to put aside their superman complex and realize that they dont always know everything, and take the advice from the vets.

if he knew even the basics of AAS use and its effects on bodybuilders he would realize all the flaws in his grand plans to be Mr. O.

funy though, he was hospitalized because of his lack of knowledge. he got the same responses as he is now and hes still coming back for more.

i honestly dont care about this kid at all, what i do care about is him being another one of those steroid teen statistics, that stops bodybuilding from ever going mainstream. and giving more ammo for a politicians arsenal to keep steroids illegal.

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Hey, thanks Bushy, I know we had some issues in the past but thx for stopping bye. Believe me I agree with pretty much everything you guys are saying. Sure, I’m probably nothing special but theres no way I’m going to tell myself that. If I use AAS, do my first comp, and get my ass handed to me than, il be sure to come back here and say that all of you were right. But until that day I refuse to sell myself short.

I’m generally willing to take advice and keep my mouth shot, but as we’ve found at earlier, I have a temper at times haha. I’ve never been good about keeping my mouth shut once people start shit talking me, and its even harder for me to on the internet. So sorry if I come across as some punk ass kid.

Anyways I got my answer, thanks 5.0 and to the other guys who actually contributed to this thread( not dylan or nich).

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
actually contributed to this thread( not dylan or nich). [/quote]

ha, this is turning into a troll job

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[quote]Dylanj wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
actually contributed to this thread( not dylan or nich).

ha, this is turning into a troll job

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I know, so stop trolling.