Giving This a Second Shot...

Pharma / TRT
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Yah I saw the articles, thats why I asked about the Proviron. Thanks for not completely flaming my ass this time lol. Sorry you dont like my physique, it’s not supposed to be “pretty” while I’m bulking. I obviously plan on cutting later but not right now. A little above par is kind of harsh, 245 lbs wasn’t easy k thx.

too bad we only produce 40-70 mg’s of test/week though eh? I don think I’d call that through the roof when an average test cycle is 500 mgs/week ><

I know what you guys are saying, but I mean look at the natural pros, they are like what? 205 contest shape? I’m 245 now at around 13-14% BF, In 5 more years of natural training how much more lean muscle do you honestly think I can put on?

I’ve been doing this for 4 years, so I’m not some noob. Basically I’m just interested in recieving the best results for my time. The thing Im afraid of is spending the next 5 years natural, and If im lucky put on say 15 lbs of LBM. Whereas if I started using AAS now I could be in the 290+ range in those next 5 years? You see what Im saying? Obviously I can make some great strength gains staying natural for 5 more years, but size? Idk…

Oh yah and I don’t want to grow anymore, If I get taller than 6’2 I’l be too tall to win much.

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[quote]Dylanj wrote:
Nich wrote:
pct run nolva 40mg first week and 20mg for 3 weeks after
40/20/20/20

not trying to dump on you or anything, but just more food for thought. there is an article posted somewhat recently about nolva being pretty damaging to the body, cancerous carcinigens or some such thing, and most people are leaning toward clomid. i personally like the idea of clomid.[/quote]

ya it causes cancer but most the studies I have seen shows it causes uterian cancer and last time i checked I didnt have that equipment
but I will check out your reference thanks.

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[quote]AlteredState wrote:
Well I for one am not going to help you.

You are too young and that’s it.

You compare yourself to the top pros. Don’t make me laugh. I know at your age you think your potential is infinite. Alas, it isn’t, sorry.

Sure, using gear for a youth that has a decent chance of making a good living from pro BBIng (without having to go ‘gay for pay’ etc along the way) may be justified. But I can tell from your avatar that you are not even in the same ballpark, sorry.[/quote]

x2, didnt know how to put it without making myself sound like im all that and a bag of chips. well said, wise words from a vet.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Hey guys, So I know some of you will recognize me as the guy who got fucked up by fake AAS and had to go to the hospital. Good times right? haha.

Well anyways its been a while, I’m once again completely healthy, now up to 245 lbs and Im interested in trying AAS once again. Im going with a mail order source this time since apparently people in my city cant be trusted…

Anyways I was thinking about doing this:
Dbol W 1-4 30 mg/day
Test E W 1-10 250 mg E3D

And Proviron. I havent really heard a whole lot about this, but I did some research on it and will use to block the estrogen effects. I did some searching on this site and saw that people were taking 25 mg/day but is that necessary or is it like nolva where you can take it if you see symptoms of gyno and stop once it goes away.

I kind of just need a little help understanding how proviron will work, if someone can help me out here? Its kind of expensive so I’m just seeing if I really need to be fully stocked for 25 mg/day.

Thanks for the help fellas and glad to be back!

edit: So essentially should I just throw out the Proviron and just go with nolvadex or will Proviron help me out? Open to suggestions on this one
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It seems there are at least two similarities between you and that idiot Jakebambeeno. The first is neither of you listen. The second is you are more than likely going through with this, no matter what people tell you.

You are too young to do a cycle. That notwithstanding, I’m going to throw you a bone. Drop the proviron, and add an AI, like arimidex, and run the a’dex through the cycle. That is the best method to control estrogen, not proviron. Save the nolva for PCT, or for any gyno issues, of which there shouldn’t be if you use the a’dex properly.

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[quote]AlteredState wrote:
Well I for one am not going to help you.

You are too young and that’s it.

You compare yourself to the top pros. Don’t make me laugh. I know at your age you think your potential is infinite. Alas, it isn’t, sorry.

Sure, using gear for a youth that has a decent chance of making a good living from pro BBIng (without having to go ‘gay for pay’ etc along the way) may be justified. But I can tell from your avatar that you are not even in the same ballpark, sorry.[/quote]

Im going to quote TC on this one: “Maybe we’re not really better, but what business do we have doing anything if we don’t go into it thinking we’re the best, or at least have the capability of being the best?”-TC

Believe me I respect you as a Vet, but just because you say I’m not capable of achieving something doesn’t mean I’m going to drop it all just b/c some guy over the internet said so. What you said is pretty ridiculous, I feel sorry for a more impresionable person who would take that to heart, and stop striving to be the best. But I guess TC is a dumbass too for telling people to aim high huh? And I am in no way saying that TC is suggesting steroid use for someone my age.

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And thanks 5.0, yah Il admit Im stubborn and probably won’t change my mind about this. Nontheless, thank you for being able to look at this objectively and help me out. I’l rememeber that you helped me when no one else would, even if you didn’t agree with me. Thx man

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and Im getting my dad to take progress pics of me next time I go home(2 days probably). Its been about 8 months since I’ve taken fresh ones. SO save your criticism for those.

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The one thing that really shows your lack of knowledge in your first post is that you suggest using proviron as an AI.

With the length of time that you have been around one would think you would know otherwise by now.

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If people aren’t freaked out by your size(naturally) after 4 years of training at an average/above average height you will NOT TURN PRO in the US at least.

Bodybuilding is the most genetically limited sport there is out there as far as I’m concerned. Can you eventually build pro level size? Likely… will you be able to stand on stage at 6’0 240+ shredded to the bone with minimal weak points(round full muscle bellies, small waist, ability to get dry from the back) … don’t count on it.

Dorian Yates had below average genetics… for a PRO BODYBUILDER and that’s comparing him to guys like Flex Wheeler and Paul Dillet. Did you see Dorian after 1-2 years of training? He was winning national level shows… same with Jay Cutler, same with Branch Warren, same with Ronnie, same with Phil Heath etc etc.

People can’t handle that genetics is so important and everytime I make a post like this people say “so should I just give up?” or some BS like that. NO You can take your God given genetics very damn far most likely but don’t be a dreamer who abuses himself searching for that pro card if you can’t place top 10 at a state show. This isn’t a dig on you, people need to wake up and stop abusing their bodies(especially early) past the point of diminishing returns. If the guy next to you is 270 lean offseason on 750 mg test and 350 deca and you need to take 2-3 times that to make it to 240… what the hell are you doing?

I am terrible at getting this point across without it seeming like I’m making excuses for genetics but one of these days I’m going to get it right lol.

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To hopefully make my point. This is what fresh pro Brandon Curry looked like before any serious training… he said he didn’t watch what he ate or consider what he did hard at all. THIS is what pros generally start out like… not average Joe who needs 6 years to get to Brandon’s starting base.

Again this isn’t a “quit bodybuilding you will never be anything” type of post but let’s get some perspective here on what it actually takes to turn pro nowadays. It’s not the drugs that separate those guys from us… the same stuff is available to everyone barring money issues and I can absolutely 100% guarantee there are multiple guys on this form taking more anabolics than competing pros and top level national guys with 1/2 the physique.

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I don’t care if this guy is young or not, he’s an idiot. He should just be ignored.

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Thanks scott, what you are saying is definately hitting home. While I don’t have the freakish genetics that Brandon Curry does I’ve had my fair share of people being “freaked” out by my physique. Obviously most of you will probably laugh at that haha. Most of the time it happens in the gym, I have the body type that pumps up like crazy when I start lifting, veins and striations pop up out of seemingly no where, and I look 10x better. ANd no I dont look like brandon curry, so before you jump on what I said, I’m not claiming that at all.

I have read that their are 2 types of physiques, the guys who look hard 24/7 and the guys who look ok but when pumped look insanely better(got that off an article in this site) I workout out with a guy on the football team at my college(D1 school) sometimes and he told me I’m bigger than 95% of the football players, excluding the lineman.

I just had someone come up to me yesterday during my arms workout and say “holy shit dude”. I’m not bragging and I’m not making this up, I’m just saying I get things like that said about me also. I guess unpumped cellphone pics from 8 months ago aren’t exactly helping me make my point. But thanks scott again for actually making valid points and not being a dick about it.

I think what it comes down to, is me actually doing a succesful cycle. For me, seeing is believing. I want to see how my body will respond to a cycle of AAS. If it makes me freaky then fuck yah I’m all in, if not then I’ll probably change some of my goals and wait before doing more of the same.

And alteredstate, I said that about Dorian yates b/c an author on this site made a comment about that in one of his articles, referencing that Flex Wheeler had outstanding genetics, and Dorian Yates didn’t.

I just think its interesting how some of you are hypocritacal about this. So If I looked like Brandon Curry and “didn’t watch what I ate or consider what I did hard at all.” And then decided at 19 or w/e I wanted to turn pro and start taking steroids, no one would really have a problem, but b/c you find me unremarkable, some of you have a problem. Well TO me, the risk is worth it. I just wish some of you would get off your high horse and stop flamming me all damn day about my age and my lack of knowledge…If I knew everything I wouldn’t ask questions now would I?

I did not misquote TC. I said I wanted to be a Pro bodybuilder, most of you say I can’t, that I’m an idiot, that my physique sucks, etc. Im telling you thats not gonna stop me from pursuing that goal and I gave you a quote to sum that up. I didn’t misuse any quotes.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Thanks scott, what you are saying is definately hitting home. While I don’t have the freakish genetics that Brandon Curry does I’ve had my fair share of people being “freaked” out by my physique. Obviously most of you will probably laugh at that haha. Most of the time it happens in the gym, I have the body type that pumps up like crazy when I start lifting, veins and striations pop up out of seemingly no where, and I look 10x better. ANd no I dont look like brandon curry, so before you jump on what I said, I’m not claiming that at all.

I have read that their are 2 types of physiques, the guys who look hard 24/7 and the guys who look ok but when pumped look insanely better(got that off an article in this site) I workout out with a guy on the football team at my college(D1 school) sometimes and he told me I’m bigger than 95% of the football players, excluding the lineman.

I just had someone come up to me yesterday during my arms workout and say “holy shit dude”. I’m not bragging and I’m not making this up, I’m just saying I get things like that said about me also. I guess unpumped cellphone pics from 8 months ago aren’t exactly helping me make my point. But thanks scott again for actually making valid points and not being a dick about it.

I think what it comes down to, is me actually doing a succesful cycle. For me, seeing is believing. I want to see how my body will respond to a cycle of AAS. If it makes me freaky then fuck yah I’m all in, if not then I’ll probably change some of my goals and wait before doing more of the same.

And alteredstate, I said that about Dorian yates b/c an author on this site made a comment about that in one of his articles, referencing that Flex Wheeler had outstanding genetics, and Dorian Yates didn’t.

I just think its interesting how some of you are hypocritacal about this. So If I looked like Brandon Curry and “didn’t watch what I ate or consider what I did hard at all.” And then decided at 19 or w/e I wanted to turn pro and start taking steroids, no one would really have a problem, but b/c you find me unremarkable, some of you have a problem. Well TO me, the risk is worth it. I just wish some of you would get off your high horse and stop flamming me all damn day about my age and my lack of knowledge…If I knew everything I wouldn’t ask questions now would I?

I did not misquote TC. I said I wanted to be a Pro bodybuilder, most of you say I can’t, that I’m an idiot, that my physique sucks, etc. Im telling you thats not gonna stop me from pursuing that goal and I gave you a quote to sum that up. I didn’t misuse any quotes.[/quote]

uh oh guys, watch out, hes the biggest guy in his school exculding the lineman.

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[quote]AlteredState wrote:
Sure, you might one day be a good BBer, even a pro, but to think that you, with your mediocre genetics will one day be so far advanced in the sport that you can make a living from it and so justify your premature use of steroids is highly unrealistic IMO.[/quote]

You have it wrong here. Bodybuilding is my passion and my way of life. But, Believe me I also think its unlikely that I can make a living just from bodybuilding. If I believed that, I would quit my job and drop out of college so I could have more time to train and be able to eat every 2 hours of every day. This is something I love, and if I’m fortunate enough to be able to one day make a living from doing it then great. I am going to college to ensure a secure future for myself, b/c like you said the chances of my dreams being fulfilled are small. But until I PROVE TO MYSELF OTHERWISE, I will not give up those dreams.

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Dylan don’t you have anything better to do? Make fun of me all you want. Next time I see you make a post about having some goals Il say this…
“You have gyno dude! You’re worthless, gtfo, don’t workout anymore, etc etc.”

Thats basically all you are doing here, but saying things that you think fit my circumstances. I for one would not sink to your level and post something like that in one of your threads, but I’m just giving you an example of what you’re saying in mine for no reason.

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The reason I see it that people don’t jump on guys who are genetically gifted towards the sport jumping on AAS early is risk reward ratios. If a 19 year old Jay Cutler wants to start using AAS and shows tremendous potential to turn pro and be successful(like he obviously did) it might be worth it to him long term to potentially endanger himself. A 100k+ a year supplement contract as well as guest poses, DVDS etc etc make it a little more worthwhile than just gaining 30-50 lbs to fill out the XXL shirts or hang a 19 inch arm out a car window.

If the risk to reward(what is the reward?) ratio works out in your mind then no ones going to convince you otherwise. If you are going to do this regardless at least be patient enough to study the subject very extensively before you take the plunge.

Edit: and to add you usually don’t see those type of guys posting on boards for advice or asking questions either. Someone will see their potential and groom them most likely… including drugs.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Dylan don’t you have anything better to do? Make fun of me all you want. Next time I see you make a post about having some goals Il say this…
“You have gyno dude! You’re worthless, gtfo, don’t workout anymore, etc etc.”

Thats basically all you are doing here, but saying things that you think fit my circumstances. I for one would not sink to your level and post something like that in one of your threads, but I’m just giving you an example of what you’re saying in mine for no reason.[/quote]

i had reasons, you think that what you are saying is justifying your use of steroids, but its just making you look like a fool, youve already been told your genetics are generic, and your phsyique is mediocre.

you think just because you are the “biggest guy” in your school besides the lineman (very sad for a D1 school) and getting comments like “holey shit dude” means that you have a chance at the pros, and gear is the only means to your end, is laughable, and once again proving your mental immaturity.