Giuliani - Shut The F' Up!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
100meters wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
100meters wrote:

you said: “You go on the info you have”
Your guy sat on his hands.

you are such a lying sack of shit it’s not funny anymore.

The 9/11 commission lied to me?
Joe, it would really, really help if before you made attacks on people’s truthfulness, if you’d investigate the information I’m basing my “facts” on.
While you may consider Bush’s downgrading of terrorism as a priority pre-9/11 an example of Bush springing into action, I feel its more in line with my “sat on his hands” metaphor.
Anyway back to the topic at hand…

lying as in making things up as you admitted you do in another thread.
As in ducking my question while continuing your little left wing hate fest.
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Eh? Lying when? Make things up when? Could you kindly document my lie? Or my duck? Why would I lie when I have all the facts at my disposal to pummel your right wing brainwashing.

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[quote]Joe Weider wrote:

Because Bush wasn’t offered binLaden on a silver platter, Clinton was and refused?
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was the platter silver? or was this debunked by the 9/11 commission?

factually incorrect, see 9/11 commission or the public record.

actually he did both, its’ called mulitasking, still I’d prefer one of the tasks not being getting BJ’s from fat interns.

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[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
100meters wrote:
The 9/11 commission lied to me?

actually, the 9/11 commission was nothing but a partisan cover up. If they’d been interested in the truth Jamie Gore-lick would’ve been forced off and turned into a witness.
Etc.
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A partisan cover up endorsed by the president? Hmmmm…First Dr.Hammesfahr, now conspiracy theories, what’s next Joe?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
The only thing circular here is the arguments of the left. I especially like the way you guys conveniently leave out the fact that the Big Liar is saying the same thing that your guys said when Clinton was in office.

It’s amazing to me how short of memory you are when the other guy is sittting in the Oval Office.
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You make the assumption that everyone who opposes Bush is a leftist, and thus a hypocrite. Nothing wrong with that reasoning…besides the fact that everyone who opposes Bush isn’t a leftist. So, what do you say to a libertarian or conservative who points out the same things as the leftists? Do you spontaneously combust? If only life were so majestic. You make even more excuses.

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[quote]Al Shades wrote:
You make the assumption that everyone who opposes Bush is a leftist, and thus a hypocrite. Nothing wrong with that reasoning…besides the fact that everyone who opposes Bush isn’t a leftist. So, what do you say to a libertarian or conservative who points out the same things as the leftists? Do you spontaneously combust? If only life were so majestic. You make even more excuses. [/quote]

If you cheered when Clinton, et al. spoke of the WMD problem in Iraq, or when the Clinton Club was extolling the dangers of Hussein pre-2000, and you are now calling Bush a liar - then you are a hypocrite.

If you are against the war because you are agianst war - at least you are honest.

My problem is not with those folks wrt being a hypocrite - only those that are so partisan that they can’t admit that Bush didn’t invent the issue. He just did something about it.

As for the rest of your post - I don’t play RPG’s so I don’t have a clue what you are saying.

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Hahahaha, you are something else.

So, what do you say to a person who denounced Clinton and all your other arch-enemies as vigorously as he now denounces Bush?

Let me speculate: You call him insane. Right?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
I just wished that the Cnadians gave a shit about aiding and abedding terrorists. We can’t trust the pseudo-frenchies any more than we can trust their panty-waisted cousins across the pond.[/quote]

BTW, Rain do you have anything to say about our “pseudo greatest ally” while your at it?

Israeli Executives: U.S. Froze Israel Out of Jet Fighter Program Because of China Ties
By Peter Enav
Associated Press Writer
Apr 17, 2005

JERUSALEM (AP) - The United States has frozen Israel out of the development of a prestigious jet fighter as punishment for its military cooperation with China, Israeli defense industry executives said Sunday.

The executives said the American decision was related to displeasure over Israeli arms deals with China, including its work on Harpy unmanned drones, acquired by China from state-owned Israel Aircraft Industries in the early 1990s. The U.S. fears the Harpys could be deployed during a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, which Washington has pledged to defend.

The executives spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the matter.

There was no immediate comment from American officials, and Israeli Defense Ministry would not confirm or deny the report. “We are in the midst of a dialogue with the United States and hope that within its framework understandings will be reached soon,” a ministry spokeswoman said.

Israel was one of the principal foreign participants in the development of Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-35, which is viewed as the American aircraft of the future. Priced at about $55 million, the plane is designed to combine supersonic speed with stealth technology at a relatively low price.

Parts of the Harpy drones were shipped to Israel last year for what American defense officials say was an upgrade of their capability to locate and destroy enemy radar installations.

Israel denies the American contention, saying the Harpy units were undergoing routine maintenance. Israeli military officials say work on the Harpy deal has been frozen.

Analysts of Chinese military development say the United States is doing its utmost to prevent China from acquiring equipment that could be used in an invasion of Taiwan.

In recent weeks the White House has warned European countries not to lift a boycott on China arms sales, imposed after Chinese authorities put down a student-led rebellion against Communist rule in 1989.

Earlier this year, the National People’s Congress, China’s rubber stamp parliament, passed a resolution authorizing the use of force if Taiwan declares itself an independent state. The self-governing island split from China at the end of a protracted civil war in 1949.

The U.S. Air Force plans to take delivery of the first F-35s in 2008.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBI0D4XN7E.html

CHINESE ARMS EXPORTS TO IRAN
Chinese arms exports to Iran have caused considerable concern within the international community, particularly for the United States.

A mole called Mega
Jane’s Defence
29 September 2004

The scandal over a suspected Israeli mole in the Pentagon who allegedly passed highly sensitive policy documents on Iran to Israeli agents in Washington has rekindled suspicions long held by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and others in Washington, that Israel systematically spies on its strategic ally and benefactor.

The FBI probe currently under way goes far beyond the allegations that a lone analyst was providing the Israelis with US secrets.

Shortly before George Tenet retired as director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in June, he alleged that an Israeli agent was operating in Washington. Tenet was challenged to identify the agent but for reasons that were never explained apparently did not do so. For years, the FBI has been convinced that there is at least one high-level Israeli mole in Washington.

The Tenet episode underlined growing unease in some quarters in Washington about the influence that Israel’s right wing has in US President George W Bush’s administration through the pro-Likud neo-conservatives, largely in the Pentagon, and the politically powerful America Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and loosely associated organisations, such as the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. The Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence service, is known to seek out Jews around the world to serve as informal agents, known in Hebrew as sayanim or ‘helpers’.

The Israeli government and AIPAC have strenuously denied that they were involved in the current scandal. But Israel’s intelligence organisations have been spying on the US and running clandestine operations since Israel was established. These operations range from spiriting an estimated 200 lbs of weapons-grade uranium for its secret nuclear arms programme in the 1960s to widescale industrial espionage.

Much of this is conducted by the secret Scientific Liaison Bureau, known by its Hebrew acronym Lakam, run by the Ministry of Defence and its equally little-known successor, Malmab (the Security Authority for the Ministry of Defence).
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr040929_1_n.shtml

Yeah… watch out for Canada.

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Meanwhile back in reality…

Killer flu samples shipped via FedEx, DHL
Debacle sheds light on byzantine system for transporting germs
The Associated Press
April 14, 2005

Every day, deadly germs are shipped across the country and around the globe, right alongside the books, gourmet foods and birthday presents sent through FedEx and similar couriers.

Follow, for instance, a single vial of the potentially deadly flu virus causing a world health scare because it was included in test kits sent to more than 4,000 laboratories. It was grown in a Virginia lab, spent time in a Cincinnati freezer and passed through a small medical company on the Mexican border before it finally arrived at a Milwaukee lab.

Of course the “if I don’t laugh I’ll cry” irony is WE shipped it all over the world and Canada caught it.

Guiliani was busy working on his next report -
“Terrorists in Canada could ship mini-nukes designed to look like hockey pucks across U.S. borders” and could not be reached for comment.

WAIT, this just in! U.S. company “accidentally” ships nuclear hockey pucks to to every corner of the globe - Canada discovers deadly “mistake”.

Was deadly flu deliberately sent to laboratories?
Officials unclear why lethal strain of virus
was included in test kits
MSNBC News Services
April 14, 2005

WASHINGTON - Federal officials are still at a loss to explain how a potentially deadly strain of influenza was sent to more than 4,000 labs around the world.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is operating under the presumption that the H2N2 strain was purposefully included in the panels designed to test the labs’ proficiency in identifying viruses.

“I’m sure it was not an inadvertent use,” said Dr. Julie Gerberding, CDC director, “because it would be almost impossible to believe that they didn’t know they were dealing with H2N2.”

Yep, watch out for Canada alright.

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Rabid responses aside here, I read the Giuliani story thing that was posted here, and all it said at the end was: “The report calls on the U.S. Homeland Security Department to conduct a threat assessment of drug imports.”

And then there were all these posts y’all made about how the government is taking all of our rights away. Or how the Bush administration is getting on its knees for the benefit of the Pharmaceutical industry, and to screw us out of our hard-earned money.

Umm…

What’s so bad about asking one of our government departments to investigate something? How is this not common sense? I’d say if we had a few cases of counterfeit drugs coming from out of the country, I’d want us to look into it too. Maybe it was a bit silly to say “terrorists might use it as an attack vehicle” or whatever, but use your friggin’ brains here, guys.

Sheesh.

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Maybe it was a bit silly to say “terrorists might use it as an attack vehicle” or whatever, but use your friggin’ brains here, guys.

Sheesh.[/quote]

I think it is more than a “bit silly” and that is because I am using my brain here, guy. Just what do you think public response will be for a “terrorist threat” like that?

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[quote]Al Shades wrote:
Hahahaha, you are something else.

So, what do you say to a person who denounced Clinton and all your other arch-enemies as vigorously as he now denounces Bush?

Let me speculate: You call him insane. Right? [/quote]

I would say that person is either trying to stir up shit just for fun, or has such a sad life that all they can do to make themselves feel better is to criticize everyone else.

Politics is politics. Neither party is perfect and neither party is horrible.

Do your research, cast your vote and live your life. Don’t waste your life looking for all the flaws in the system. You don’t have enough time on this earth to find them all.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
Maybe it was a bit silly to say “terrorists might use it as an attack vehicle” or whatever, but use your friggin’ brains here, guys.

Sheesh.

I think it is more than a “bit silly” and that is because I am using my brain here, guy. Just what do you think public response will be for a “terrorist threat” like that?[/quote]

Okay then ProfX, how are we supposed to get the Dept of Homeland Security to care about something if it doesn’t have the label “possible terrorist threat?”

Honestly, I think that a terrorist would pick some other way to attack us than drug imports, but y’all make it sound like the Man is gonna get us or something. Calling for an investigation is not the same as demanding a restriction on all drug imports. I do not think that a ban on drug imports is even a remote possibility, so when I see a bunch of y’all hollering about how the Pharmaceutical companies are running the government or whatever, it just makes me shake my head.

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
so when I see a bunch of y’all hollering about how the Pharmaceutical companies are running the government or whatever, it just makes me shake my head.

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You can shake your head all you want to. I will simply hope nothing important falls out. I don’t think that pharmaceutical companies are running the government, but I definitely think that there is a lot of money changing hands in order to promote certain bills are public actions in support of big business…that is, unless you think that people in powerful positions in this country are above any types of scandal or dishonorable action. I think more thought needs to go into statements being made. Let me ask, why would this be made public? You have a simple honest reason for that as well, no doubt.

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Calling for an investigation is not the same as demanding a restriction on all drug imports. I do not think that a ban on drug imports is even a remote possibility…
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Actually, that’s pretty much exactly what he’s calling for. In the first paragraph: “Prescription drug imports from Canada and elsewhere could become a tool for terrorists and efforts to legalize them should stop now, said a report yesterday from former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani. The report, which was commissioned by drug companies that lose big profits on the cheaper imports…”

In short, the drug companies commissioned a report that said their competition “could become” a tool for terrorist… and that efforts to legalize them should “stop now.”

And now those drug companies are tying to get the dept of homeland security to investigate their competition. If that doesn’t smell fishy, your nose don’t work, son.

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Oh, and the report was prepared by Giuliani Partners, Rudy’s PR firm. It has nothing to do with any governmental agency at all.

Drug companies hired a PR firm to say other drug companies are bad. End of story.

Hence, the very appropriate title of this topic. Giulians - Shut the fuck up.

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ProfX, futuredave:

“The report calls on the U.S. Homeland Security Department to conduct a threat assessment of drug imports.”

What part of that do you not understand? Y’all are making a mountain out of a molehill. So drug companies want their competition taken down a notch, and to be held accountable. And they have cases of counterfeit drugs finding their way into the hands of American consumers to back them up. That doesn’t sound so bad to me. In fact, it sounds pretty friggin reasonable.

If my grandma ordered something over the internet from a Canadian pharmacy and they sent her sugar pills, I’d be pretty pissed, wouldn’t you? After all, it’s only a possibly fatal blood clot that could form in a vein we might be talking about here.

Take your heads out of your asses. Please.

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
If my grandma ordered something over the internet from a Canadian pharmacy and they sent her sugar pills, I’d be pretty pissed, wouldn’t you? After all, it’s only a possibly fatal blood clot that could form in a vein we might be talking about here.[/quote]

Because this happens often, right? In fact, could please enlighten on when it ever happens? Seriously, show me the light.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
If my grandma ordered something over the internet from a Canadian pharmacy and they sent her sugar pills, I’d be pretty pissed, wouldn’t you? After all, it’s only a possibly fatal blood clot that could form in a vein we might be talking about here.

Because this happens often, right? In fact, could please enlighten on when it ever happens? Seriously, show me the light.[/quote]

That’s the point of doing an investigation, ProfX. So we can find out how much this is happening, and how much of a problem it is. Maybe it’s a rarity, and there’s no real problem with internet pharmacies.

That’s what the report called for. Giuliani took it a step further and threw in the “terrorist threat” stuff, and like I said before maybe that was a bit silly. My point is that it couldn’t hurt to look into the internet drug trade a little bit so that we don’t get a bunch of problems to deal with later.

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And really ProfX, you of all people should understand the importance of not f’ing up drug formulations. This isn’t the fifties anymore, man. You know better than most people that some of the drugs we have in modern medicine are very powerful and dangerous. And when you get a patient who’s taking four or five different ones, and then thinks “this is expensive, maybe I’ll go to Canadapharmacy.com for one of them”, and it turns out to be something else, then… it could be bad.

Better safe than sorry in this issue, don’t you think?