Girls Record Brutal Attack for YouTube

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]anonym wrote:
lixy wrote:
Rob in WDC wrote:
I guess no one gives a shit.

Or maybe they can’t get over the dickhead pimping himself out in a most shameless way. Or maybe it’s because you call the cops when your neighbors smoke herb. Or it could be because you show up telling people to beat up their kids.

But I could be wrong.

LOL, I don’t care what anyone else says, Lixy, but I like you around here.

That being said, what kind of person makes a post like this without including the video?

A recap:

This one doesn’t have sound (at least, it doesn’t on my computer), but it’s longer:
http://www.wftv.com/video/15817645/index.html
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Put 'em in women’s part of LA County jail for a few weeks with the general population. shudder

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Put 'em in women’s part of LA County jail for a few weeks with the general population. shudder
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What are the interests of justice in this case? Kids do stupid things and take their actions to extremes. Granted, not usually to this level. Do we really want their lives to be destroyed?

I think everyone can agree that we want these offenders to learn a lesson. I assume that no one seriously wants them to spend life in prison. We hope that whatever happens in jail, they will be so scared of ever returning that they will straighten out. Perhaps some of them are beyond the point of having consciences?

What worries me is that I do not know that the criminal justice system is really set up to perform crash-parenting on a group of teenage girls who have obviously been allowed to run wild. It is in our collective interest that these girls be rehabilitated, and that they be able to live normal, productive lives after they have served their time. It is not in our interest to scar them so deeply that they become a burden on the state after their releases, or that they learn to become better criminals in the process.

I absolutely do not like the way many prisons are set up. Too much freedom. People laugh about inmate rape, but it is not funny. These people need to be controlled while in custody, and they need to be forced to work. Maybe then we could get some real rehabilitation. I wish I had the answer.

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[quote]Rob in WDC wrote:
Professor X, how dare you call me a racist. You don’t know me. I happen to be an attorney educated at one of the top law schools in the country. If someone’s illegal behavior is devaluing my property, I am going to call the cops? How is that racist? I don’t care what race these people are, I’d would call the cops regardless.

Also, Im on the third floor and our building has a 24hr attendant with cameras and controlled access. Also, I have an alarm. I dare them to try something. I feel very safe. Plus, if they did do something I’d know who it was, and they would be taken out of the Halfway house and put back in the BIG house…you feel me?
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Jesus Christ. What the fuck? I think you’re on some free base yourself.

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Nephorm, worrying about the quality of the justice system is not something we should be considering as we consider whether these girls need to be reformed. They certainly need to be punished severely. They are headed down the wrong path.

When people are debating crime bills and punishment on the state and local level-- that is where you can get involved with “fixing the system”. Maybe it does, but these girls need to be fixed first!

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Read my PM.

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[b]The hijacking and arguing needs to end now.

If you’re not posting to discuss the original topic… “Girls Record Brutal Attack for YouTube”… there’s no need to post in this thread.

Thanks.[/b]

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[quote]Rob in WDC wrote:
Nephorm, worrying about the quality of the justice system is not something we should be considering as we consider whether these girls need to be reformed. They certainly need to be punished severely. They are headed down the wrong path.

When people are debating crime bills and punishment on the state and local level-- that is where you can get involved with “fixing the system”. Maybe it does, but these girls need to be fixed first![/quote]

I agree that they need to be punished severely. Some people seem to be arguing that they should be locked up for life, or that they should be thrown to the wolves in prison. I don’t think prison rape does much to rehabilitate 20 year old men, and I think it would be permanently scarring to a girl of 15 or 16.

You say “these girls need to be fixed first.” What I’m asking is: how would you do that? Do you think our prisons are set up to “fix” them? And do you think that what some are calling for would fix them, or just further sicken their minds?

Don’t mistake this for leniency on my part. I’d like to see them all forced to complete their educations in prison, and working hard labor during non-study and non-sleep time. Give them the discipline that they obviously lacked at home. Perhaps after that, they will be able to contribute to society rather than detracting from it.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
Rob in WDC wrote:
Nephorm, worrying about the quality of the justice system is not something we should be considering as we consider whether these girls need to be reformed. They certainly need to be punished severely. They are headed down the wrong path.

When people are debating crime bills and punishment on the state and local level-- that is where you can get involved with “fixing the system”. Maybe it does, but these girls need to be fixed first!

I agree that they need to be punished severely. Some people seem to be arguing that they should be locked up for life, or that they should be thrown to the wolves in prison. I don’t think prison rape does much to rehabilitate 20 year old men, and I think it would be permanently scarring to a girl of 15 or 16.

You say “these girls need to be fixed first.” What I’m asking is: how would you do that? Do you think our prisons are set up to “fix” them? And do you think that what some are calling for would fix them, or just further sicken their minds?

Don’t mistake this for leniency on my part. I’d like to see them all forced to complete their educations in prison, and working hard labor during non-study and non-sleep time. Give them the discipline that they obviously lacked at home. Perhaps after that, they will be able to contribute to society rather than detracting from it.[/quote]

Being tried as adults means any future that could have been is now limited to a life of non-voting, lesser education, and a reliance on employers to overlook this huge fault on their permanent records. Our current justice system isn’t set up for rehabilitation at all, and neither is our society. Once you are labeled a hard criminal, it lasts for life. That is the main argument concerning crimes for ridiculous acts like possession of weed with intent to distribute. This doesn’t allow a citizen to become a contributing member of society. It forces them to basically live off of hand outs from that point on if judged as more than a misdemeanor.

This particular crime concerning these girls should be the LEAST of your concerns considering how many people could actually benefit from not having their entire records destroyed for petty crimes that are simply hot topics in government right now.

These girls acted like animals. They SHOULD now represent their entire culture considering I have no doubt that if they were black, the prevailing sentiment would be they reflect the mentality of black youth in general.

I hope they get the harshest penalty short of something ridiculous.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
This from the guy who posts a big photo of OctoberGirl’s tits for all to see. :stuck_out_tongue:

Incorrect! OctoberGirl posted a big photo of her tits for all to see. I just spread the love.[/quote]

Ah, I see. So oogying is only acceptable if done within the context of a single site.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
This particular crime concerning these girls should be the LEAST of your concerns considering how many people could actually benefit from not having their entire records destroyed for petty crimes that are simply hot topics in government right now.
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As adults, we can willingly take on the risks of doing things like selling drugs and breaking what we feel to be unjust laws. I can imagine a few situations in which I would feel sympathy for an adult who committed an assault and suffered repercussions for this rest of his or her life. But the majority of criminals do not fall within these categories.

So because you feel that in a hypothetical, identical situation in which the participants were black, the girls would be found to “represent their culture,” then we ought to do the same thing to these girls? Even if I were to grant that, arguendo, how does it relate to the discussion?

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I hope they get the harshest penalty short of something ridiculous.[/quote]

That’s what I’m trying to establish. What is “ridiculous” to you? Life in prison? Or is that OK, but death is too far? I have no problem with them having repercussions that extend beyond prison. I have no problem with them being forced to prove themselves to potential employers, landlords, whatever, long after they have been released. What I do have a problem with is the possibility of them being so thoroughly screwed up by the prison experience that they will never be able to be normal human beings again.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Ah, I see. So oogying is only acceptable if done within the context of a single site.[/quote]

It was a recent post, someone else posted the thread topic relating to it, and only after being made aware of it from that thread did I seek out the picture and post it in - dare I say it - a gesture of good will. I certainly never meant to offend OctoberGirl, and if she had asked me to remove my post I would’ve.

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[quote]nephorm wrote:

As adults, we can willingly take on the risks of doing things like selling drugs and breaking what we feel to be unjust laws. I can imagine a few situations in which I would feel sympathy for an adult who committed an assault and suffered repercussions for this rest of his or her life. But the majority of criminals do not fall within these categories.[/quote]

Some do, however, it is those I am referring to. It does none of us any good if a career criminal is in some way MADE because we tossed the book at a crime that many argue shouldn’t be considered illegal in the first place. You don’t create a citizen who is a positive force in society that way. You create someone reliant on the system to make a living at all unless they choose to do so illegally.

Aren’t you arguing what punishment is “fair”? In my opinion, that would be “fair”.

I think life in prison is over the line. The girl didn’t die. I am not sure of the extent of her injuries, however, but I would think life in prison would be saved for the death of someone.

Either way, they are screwed if tried as adults and found with anything worse than a misdemeanor. That is how the system works. They can say goodbye to any real career at that point unless they do something extraordinary.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
nephorm wrote:

As adults, we can willingly take on the risks of doing things like selling drugs and breaking what we feel to be unjust laws. I can imagine a few situations in which I would feel sympathy for an adult who committed an assault and suffered repercussions for this rest of his or her life. But the majority of criminals do not fall within these categories.

Some do, however, it is those I am referring to. It does none of us any good if a career criminal is in some way MADE because we tossed the book at a crime that many argue shouldn’t be considered illegal in the first place. You don’t create a citizen who is a positive force in society that way. You create someone reliant on the system to make a living at all unless they choose to do so illegally.

So because you feel that in a hypothetical, identical situation in which the participants were black, the girls would be found to “represent their culture,” then we ought to do the same thing to these girls? Even if I were to grant that, arguendo, how does it relate to the discussion?

Aren’t you arguing what punishment is “fair”? In my opinion, that would be “fair”.

That’s what I’m trying to establish. What is “ridiculous” to you? Life in prison? Or is that OK, but death is too far? I have no problem with them having repercussions that extend beyond prison. I have no problem with them being forced to prove themselves to potential employers, landlords, whatever, long after they have been released. What I do have a problem with is the possibility of them being so thoroughly screwed up by the prison experience that they will never be able to be normal human beings again.

I think life in prison is over the line. The girl didn’t die. I am not sure of the extent of her injuries, however, but I would think life in prison would be saved for the death of someone.

Either way, they are screwed if tried as adults and found with anything worse than a misdemeanor. That is how the system works. They can say goodbye to any real career at that point unless they do something extraordinary.[/quote]

These are high school girls. Do we really think this is a crime that deserves a lasting criminal record? I think it deservers a lasting emotional record, not criminal. So I think a community approach to discipline is warranted, like public humiliation.

However, I believe that the retarded parents who are defending these girls action should share in whatever punishment is delivered to the girls. Clearly, it is a lack of parental skill that is the origin of this kind of behavior.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:

These are high school girls. Do we really think this is a crime that deserves a lasting criminal record? I think it deservers a lasting emotional record, not criminal. So I think a community approach to discipline is warranted, like public humiliation.

However, I believe that the retarded parents who are defending these girls action should share in whatever punishment is delivered to the girls. Clearly, it is a lack of parental skill that is the origin of this kind of behavior.

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That won’t happen. The parents of the Trench Coat Mafia that tore up Columbine were never held on charges, were they? That is even though it is their fault their kids could even amass weapons like that without the knowledge of their parents at all.

I agree it SHOULD happen because no one should be having kids if they can’t take the time to raise them right.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:

These are high school girls. Do we really think this is a crime that deserves a lasting criminal record? I think it deservers a lasting emotional record, not criminal. So I think a community approach to discipline is warranted, like public humiliation.

However, I believe that the retarded parents who are defending these girls action should share in whatever punishment is delivered to the girls. Clearly, it is a lack of parental skill that is the origin of this kind of behavior.[/quote]

Criminally, they wouldn’t - civilly, the victims could try and say the parents were negligent or somesuch.

I think public humiliation will probably take care of itself…oh wait, you mean we are supposed to shame behavior we think inappropriate? That sounds positively intolerant. What kind of mean world is that?

Heh.

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Maybe we should take a cue from the Puritans: put all the girls (and their parents too, why not?) in the stocks outside of City Hall, with large placards explaining what crime each of the stockaded individuals had committed.

There would, of course, be a bushel basket of overripe fruit and vegetables conveniently available, so that passers-by could select a soggy tomato, maybe, or a brown banana, or perhaps even a mushy cantaloupe, and hurl it gleefully at the malefactors.

There’s your public humiliation, baby.

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In addition to going through the criminal system I think they should hire somebody like Tara LaRosa to beat the snot out of each of the girls involved and then post it on youtube.

Basically, no referee and if they get knocked or choked out or something gets broken will wait until they wake up or are able to splint the limb and then they have to endure another beating.

That seems fair.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

These are high school girls. Do we really think this is a crime that deserves a lasting criminal record? I think it deservers a lasting emotional record, not criminal. So I think a community approach to discipline is warranted, like public humiliation.

However, I believe that the retarded parents who are defending these girls action should share in whatever punishment is delivered to the girls. Clearly, it is a lack of parental skill that is the origin of this kind of behavior.

That won’t happen. The parents of the Trench Coat Mafia that tore up Columbine were never held on charges, were they? That is even though it is their fault their kids could even amass weapons like that without the knowledge of their parents at all.

I agree it SHOULD happen because no one should be having kids if they can’t take the time to raise them right.[/quote]

True. A driver’s license is required to drive in all States, yet any retard can have kids and claim no responsibility. And how much more damage can poor or no parenting do to society than a poor driver? A lot more!

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Maybe we should take a cue from the Puritans: put all the girls (and their parents too, why not?) in the stocks outside of City Hall, with large placards explaining what crime each of the stockaded individuals had committed.

There would, of course, be a bushel basket of overripe fruit and vegetables conveniently available, so that passers-by could select a soggy tomato, maybe, or a brown banana, or perhaps even a mushy cantaloupe, and hurl it gleefully at the malefactors.

There’s your public humiliation, baby.[/quote]

I was thinking more along the lines of public caning, like in Singapore, but I like your idea as well. Oh, and that includes the parents.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Maybe we should take a cue from the Puritans: put all the girls (and their parents too, why not?) in the stocks outside of City Hall, with large placards explaining what crime each of the stockaded individuals had committed.

There would, of course, be a bushel basket of overripe fruit and vegetables conveniently available, so that passers-by could select a soggy tomato, maybe, or a brown banana, or perhaps even a mushy cantaloupe, and hurl it gleefully at the malefactors.

There’s your public humiliation, baby.

I was thinking more along the lines of public caning, like in Singapore, but I like your idea as well. Oh, and that includes the parents.

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It seems barbaric, but, just like bootcamps, what if that actually works?

I know that at least in our system, juvenile delinquents get a pass so often that they lose any respect for the law.

Until they turn 18 and are tried as adults and all their prior convictions are added to their sentences.

Maybe a solid public ass whooping would save a lot of time, money and grief.