Christmas Story!
Makes me pumped about the coming holidays.
[quote]magick wrote:
No, no, that wasn’t what I meant.
Say that Obama was elected by 51% by U.S. citizens. Does that mean that America gave Obama a mandate to do whatever he wanted, as he said upon re-election?
No.
But by your logic it would. Because what America chose, is ultimately what it chose and is absolute.
Basically, you’re saying that, since Obama got re-elected by America, that must have America’s clear choice.
I am saying that’s oversimplifying the issue.
As for the example you give, are you claiming that whatever the independent guy saw in the ads had NO INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER in his decision to vote for Obama?[/quote]
You can’t compare the choices of a whole population to the choice of one singular person. You need to compare person to person. Each singular person ultimately chose who to vote for. They may have been influenced by ads, debates, friends, but ultimately it was 100% their choice who they pulled the lever for.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Damn PWI is a lot more cutthroat than the other subforums.[/quote]
You must be new.[/quote]
I just make very infrequent trips in here. Everything seems to devolve into some kind of deep philosophical debate which I don’t typically take much interest in.
I think many of you are taking AC wrong, allow me to explain.
I think many of you are more offended with AC’s delivery of the message, not the message itself.
This being T-Nation, hopefully we can all agree that pussy-footing around is not the ideal MO to get things done.
AC is being blunt and direct, maybe more than many of you are used to or are comfortable with, but his intentions are good.
Some people need their hand held when being told something, others need their hand smacked, but I have never seen a drastic change that didn’t involve noise, conflict, or discomfort.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I’m pretty sure that I have SMH, KD, Zecarlo, Pat and HF’s hot buttons down. It’s fun pushing those buttons. But if you are tired of it, quit bringing up my felony EVERY TIME I fucking post. It was 20 years ago, get over it. I have.
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Hot buttons? You’re the one who went to prison. I would say that you have issues with hot buttons…and soap that isn’t on a rope.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I think many of you are taking AC wrong, allow me to explain.
I think many of you are more offended with AC’s delivery of the message, not the message itself.
This being T-Nation, hopefully we can all agree that pussy-footing around is not the ideal MO to get things done.
AC is being blunt and direct, maybe more than many of you are used to or are comfortable with, but his intentions are good.
Some people need their hand held when being told something, others need their hand smacked, but I have never seen a drastic change that didn’t involve noise, conflict, or discomfort. [/quote]
No the stupidity of the messages is what bothers me. His intentions aren’t good…they are retarded. Imagining scenarios where Democrats die or presenting bullying as an issue because of liberal parents is just pure stupidity, baseless, and the ramblings of someone who clearly isn’t intelligent.
Intelligence, logic, and reason need to account for something on here. A passionate rant doesn’t make me uncomfortable, but stupidity and lunacy does. Actually it makes me annoyed because it is getting in the way of actual legitimate discussion.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Damn PWI is a lot more cutthroat than the other subforums.[/quote]
You must be new.[/quote]
I just make very infrequent trips in here. Everything seems to devolve into some kind of deep philosophical debate which I don’t typically take much interest in.[/quote]
Philosophy means “a love of wisdom”.
I can see why you might find it tedious.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I’m pretty sure that I have SMH, KD, Zecarlo, Pat and HF’s hot buttons down. It’s fun pushing those buttons. But if you are tired of it, quit bringing up my felony EVERY TIME I fucking post. It was 20 years ago, get over it. I have.
[/quote]
Hot buttons? You’re the one who went to prison. I would say that you have issues with hot buttons…and soap that isn’t on a rope. [/quote]
Zecarlo’s MO…Insults and nothing of substance.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Damn PWI is a lot more cutthroat than the other subforums.[/quote]
You must be new.[/quote]
I just make very infrequent trips in here. Everything seems to devolve into some kind of deep philosophical debate which I don’t typically take much interest in.[/quote]
Philosophy means “a love of wisdom”.
I can see why you might find it tedious. [/quote]
Ha, it is true; I won’t deny it. So much philosophy seems to just be mental masturbation to no real avail. I do not see how most of it will impact or affect anything.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Damn PWI is a lot more cutthroat than the other subforums.[/quote]
You must be new.[/quote]
I just make very infrequent trips in here. Everything seems to devolve into some kind of deep philosophical debate which I don’t typically take much interest in.[/quote]
Philosophy means “a love of wisdom”.
I can see why you might find it tedious. [/quote]
Ha, it is true; I won’t deny it. So much philosophy seems to just be mental masturbation to no real avail. I do not see how most of it will impact or affect anything.[/quote]
Yes, pondering the great questions of existence do tend to take away valuable time that might better be spent considering the best way of killing hippopotamuses and great white sharks with one’s bare hands.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Damn PWI is a lot more cutthroat than the other subforums.[/quote]
You must be new.[/quote]
I just make very infrequent trips in here. Everything seems to devolve into some kind of deep philosophical debate which I don’t typically take much interest in.[/quote]
Philosophy means “a love of wisdom”.
I can see why you might find it tedious. [/quote]
Ha, it is true; I won’t deny it. So much philosophy seems to just be mental masturbation to no real avail. I do not see how most of it will impact or affect anything.[/quote]
Yes, pondering the great questions of existence do tend to take away valuable time that might better be spent considering the best way of killing hippopotamuses and great white sharks with one’s bare hands. [/quote]
That scenario is more likely to aid me in the real world than some of the nebulous debates people take to defending so seriously!
You won’t feel so smug when you see a newspaper headline reading “Generously Muscled Young Man Fearlessly Gouges Out the Eye of a Hippopotamus and Scrambles its Brains with His Bare Hands”
“Cocky American Tourist Bitten In Half and Stomped Into Thin Pink Layer of Goo by Okavango Delta Hippopotamus. Hippo Unharmed.”
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I think many of you are taking AC wrong, allow me to explain.
I think many of you are more offended with AC’s delivery of the message, not the message itself.
This being T-Nation, hopefully we can all agree that pussy-footing around is not the ideal MO to get things done.
AC is being blunt and direct, maybe more than many of you are used to or are comfortable with, but his intentions are good.
Some people need their hand held when being told something, others need their hand smacked, but I have never seen a drastic change that didn’t involve noise, conflict, or discomfort. [/quote]
Or maybe it’s because he calls people names, calls them out while saying something stupid and factually incorrect and deliberately trying to insult and piss people off rather than have a discussion on things.
And he is not blunt, at all. One who is blunt does not typically adorn the forum with a wall of words. Crass, frequent use of caps lock, and calling people names is not blunt, immature and ridiculous, yes, blunt no.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I think many of you are taking AC wrong, allow me to explain.
I think many of you are more offended with AC’s delivery of the message, not the message itself.
This being T-Nation, hopefully we can all agree that pussy-footing around is not the ideal MO to get things done.
AC is being blunt and direct, maybe more than many of you are used to or are comfortable with, but his intentions are good.
Some people need their hand held when being told something, others need their hand smacked, but I have never seen a drastic change that didn’t involve noise, conflict, or discomfort. [/quote]
Or maybe it’s because he calls people names, calls them out while saying something stupid and factually incorrect and deliberately trying to insult and piss people off rather than have a discussion on things.
And he is not blunt, at all. One who is blunt does not typically adorn the forum with a wall of words. Crass, frequent use of caps lock, and calling people names is not blunt, immature and ridiculous, yes, blunt no. [/quote]
This.
It isn’t about hand-holding or the delivery of any message or “the way things are said.”
The things I mentioned earlier were not wise messages wrapped up in blunt man-talk. They were idiocies.
If you say certain things, I’m going to call you an idiot.
(You in the general sense, not you as in Pat or Maximus.)
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I’m pretty sure that I have SMH…hot buttons down.
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Not at all. I do think that, politically, you’ve got your head a bit too far up your own ass for your health’s sake. But, worst of all, and unless you post sentiments on here that you don’t actually endorse in real life (which I doubt), I think you’re incredibly bitter, spiteful, and hateful. But I’m not mad, or upset, or anything like that. I just enjoy calling spades spades.
And no, nobody was calling for your death.
[/quote]It WAS brought up, I assure you.[quote]
Edit: and I brought up your felony once in a discussion, when it was highly appropriate to the topic at hand, and I prefaced my bringing it up with the disclaimer that I respect your having turned your life into something admirable, which I do. So please don’t be such a victim.[/quote]
<<<AC put’s his “reasonable person hat” on>>>
Whatever. You’re a smart dude. A lot smarter than I am, obviously. So when you argue, you argue to WIN by any means necessary. So you directly ignored my points and focused on my past. I know what my past is. It has no bearing whatsoever on what we were talking about, what we are talking about or what we may talk about in the future. Shortly after my incarceration, I had viral meningitis, spent several months in a coma and don’t remember hardly ANYTHING prior to 1996 anyway, so when I say I’m a different person, I am LITERALLY a different person.
I was just enjoying arguing a point that no one could use my past to dispute. I assure you, I don’t drink baby’s blood for breakfast, I am VERY liberal in my social beliefs and I am not an anarchist. I was enjoying wasting your time a bit because I was mad at you. Childish? Perhaps a little, but I see that I made a bit of a mistake with that and I am letting you know that I WAS INDEED writing things that were a bit inflammatory and that I don’t really believe IRL. I was just having a little fun. So relax and get your panties un-bunched. This is NOT a serious place - it’s a bodybuilding website. I feel that I’ve made my point and I’m backing down. OK? Men do that.
I am the LAST thing from a victim that you will ever meet, bro.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
But, worst of all, and unless you post sentiments on here that you don’t actually endorse in real life (which I doubt), I think you’re incredibly bitter, spiteful, and hateful.
[/quote]
Wow, smh.
You are usually so very astute, but you’ve missed this one by a country mile, my friend.[/quote]
Well, sir, I respect your opinion on all matters, so I’m inclined to worry that I indeed have.
However, I have seen some pretty hateful shit from the guy in the recent past. I mean the stuff about blue voters dying, and the “weak liberal faggots” line. I don’t know. Perhaps my sample size is too small, and he is actually a big-hearted champion of compassion and dignity, but I’ve seen little more than petty vitriol.[/quote]
I’ve been posting here for a long time and this is the first time I’ve posted ANYTHING like that. Notice that Push, Chushin, V and several of the others are just leaving it alone? Cuz they know me and they know I’m joking.
[quote]H factor wrote:
Seriously spitting up laughing. Look at internet troll terrorist chicken. If you meet my demands maybe I will stop posting my insane sociopathic idiotic rants!
No one cares you were in prison, the only thing anyone cares about is how impossible it is for rational adults to discuss things when the ranting craziness starts.
“If you want…the trolling can continue. I will wave this troll gun at you until I get what I demand! You guys can stop the trolling if you meet my demands!” Hilarious.
FWIW I was the one that called you out (deservedly so, you were coming off like a lunatic) and didn’t mention a thing about you being a felon. In fact your insane post that I quoted came before anyone mentioned your criminal record. [/quote]
As I said before, I miscalculated when I decided to have a little fun trolling. It’s gotten a bit out of hand and believe it or not, you and I have some common ground on several of the things I’ve seen you post about.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]mmg_4 wrote:
hes bragging about beating people down with his “baseball bat” after he got out of prison like that makes him some kind of tough guy.[/quote]
No I think he was talking about how he would use his bat when outmatched against bullies when he was growing up, i.e. before his incarceration.
[quote]mmg_4 wrote:
In fact beat the shit out of 2 or 3 different guys.[/quote]
And here you are doing the same thing. Is it only tough when you do it or what? Is it cuz you didn’t use a bat? That makes it different?[/quote]
I know, right?
And you, csully, get an A in reading comprehension, while mr. “if I hit submit THREE times, THEN it will go through” gets an F! LOL
Why all the angry chicken hate lately? I’m just having a little fun. You guys are calling for my death and calling me Hitler and shit cuz I’m fucking around on a BODYBUILDING forum! LMAO
Why should I be expected to be serious on this forum when EVERY FUCKING TIME I try to legitimately contribute to the discussion, the same exact shit happens:
A) My point is COMPLETELY ignored.
B) “You were in prison 20 years ago, so how can you POSSIBLY have THAT opinion?”
C) “Since you were in prison 20 years ago, you are a hypocrite” (because we know EXACTLY what happened and fully understand EVERY circumstance involved even though we weren’t there)
I got a little tired of defending a choice I made when I was 18. I cannot give fact because that would compromise my identity, so I cannot realistically defend myself from the judgmental pricks who just use my past as a legitimate argument about a topic that has nothing to do with that. Suffice it to say, I am NOT that guy any more.
So I decided to write some things that stimulate the discussion and that NO ONE can say “but you were in PRISON, how can you SAY that”. In fact, I’m pretty sure I wrote some things that ONLY a person who is in prison (or belongs there) would write. So, if you guys are tired of me writing sociopathic opinions, then leave my past out of the debate. I’m perfectly capable of making a reasonable argument about most things. But if, in the eyes of this forum, I’m just the “felon who has no right to have an opinion”, then I’m PERFECTLY HAPPY to play that role.
I’m pretty sure that I have SMH, KD, Zecarlo, Pat and HF’s hot buttons down. It’s fun pushing those buttons. But if you are tired of it, quit bringing up my felony EVERY TIME I fucking post. It was 20 years ago, get over it. I have.
But if you want, the trolling can continue - it’s up to you guys. I can be reasonable or unreasonable. I am happy arguing either way, but I WILL argue. And I’m not going away.
Next week, I might decide to be a raging liberal and prove all the religiously fanatic, war mongering conservatives wrong.[/quote]
LOL! You think rather highly of yourself. You don’t know shit about me. Oh you think you do, but you don’t.
You’re problem is you go on these full page rants full of a lot of words and capital letters and figure you have a point. You don’t, but the truth is, I rarely read anything you write because I cannot be bothered to read a full page of poorly thought out vitriol with no point, facts or logic applied with in. Hell the only part of this post I read is where you said you have my ‘hot buttons’ figured out. I thought that was worthy of a response.
If you want to hit my ‘hot buttons’ try to press them with more concise posts and get to the point. Or try to have a point and then get to it. Otherwise I will only know what you said by other people who bother to respond to you your wall of words.[/quote]
Well Pat, YOU are the one that called me Hitler. At any rate, as I’ve said before, I was having a little fun, but I’m done now. For the record I AM PRO LIFE (I did the caps just for you) which is all you seem to care about. Whatever dude.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Seriously spitting up laughing. Look at internet troll terrorist chicken. If you meet my demands maybe I will stop posting my insane sociopathic idiotic rants!
No one cares you were in prison, the only thing anyone cares about is how impossible it is for rational adults to discuss things when the ranting craziness starts.
“If you want…the trolling can continue. I will wave this troll gun at you until I get what I demand! You guys can stop the trolling if you meet my demands!” Hilarious.
FWIW I was the one that called you out (deservedly so, you were coming off like a lunatic) and didn’t mention a thing about you being a felon. In fact your insane post that I quoted came before anyone mentioned your criminal record. [/quote]
I didn’t know he was in prison until just now. That explains the bitterness. Talk about calling yourself out…lol[/quote]
Then you obviously haven’t been reading anything I’ve written for the last four years, because I’ve talked about it often.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
I’m pretty sure that I have SMH, KD, Zecarlo, Pat and HF’s hot buttons down. It’s fun pushing those buttons. But if you are tired of it, quit bringing up my felony EVERY TIME I fucking post. It was 20 years ago, get over it. I have.
[/quote]
Hot buttons? You’re the one who went to prison. I would say that you have issues with hot buttons…and soap that isn’t on a rope. [/quote]
And I would say that you are douchebag who can’t help himself from making prison rape jokes because you don’t have anything intelligent to say.