[quote]Waittz wrote:
It is tragic. The girls who bullied are messed up in the head, very aparant with the FB post one girl made post death about how she admits she was one of the reasons the girl took her life but still doesnt give a fuck.
That being said, accepting the role of a victim and taking your own life is a choice. Nobody forces you to do so to escape your circumstance even if they create the poor circumstance. Suicide as a result of “bullying” is a cowards exit and being a victim in it of it self is a cowardice choice. Cant have a bully without a victim and you cant be a victim if you fight and confront your “bully”.
Understand confrontation and ‘fight’ does not mean resort to violence. [/quote]
You do know you are talking about a child. You also don’t know what that child’s life and/or upbringing was like. Confront the bully? How? This isn’t Leave it to Beaver land anymore. How do you confront a sociopath? Some of them actually want a confrontation. [/quote]
Yes. Bullies pick on the weak. Dont be weak. Not all bullies are sociopath’s you guys are just reaching or assuming. Most bullies are just insecure people who choose weak targets because they know they wont fight back or confront them.
Most sociopath’s keep to themselves socially and at a young age tourture defenseless animals, not peers.
Facebook strangers show up, rally to support bullied Oregon boy
A bullied boy stood up to his tormentor and made him publicly apologize after getting the backing of 100 Facebook strangers.
Halsey Parkerson was able to face up to his intimidator ? who regularly told him he had no friends and no one cared about him ? after his aunt launched a campaign on the social networking site.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Facebook strangers show up, rally to support bullied Oregon boy
A bullied boy stood up to his tormentor and made him publicly apologize after getting the backing of 100 Facebook strangers.
Halsey Parkerson was able to face up to his intimidator ? who regularly told him he had no friends and no one cared about him ? after his aunt launched a campaign on the social networking site.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Who committed the suicide? You can’t force someone to kill themselves. Just because I tell someone to jump off a cliff does not make me responsible for them actually doing it.
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So if I stabbed someone in the leg, I’m not responsible for the individual eventually bleeding out and dying? I mean, the person clearly failed in his/her responsibility in stopping the bleeding with his/her lack of proper medical care.
What if I didn’t stab with the intention to kill?
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No. Obviously if you stab someone in the leg you are directly responsible for them bleeding out. Horrible example to argue your case. Doesn’t matter if you stabbed with the intention to kill, you stabbed to injure and that led to death. You caused severe PHYSICAL harm that led to death. I hope you can see the difference here.
If I told you to stab yourself causing you to bleed out, that’s your fault. I didn’t stab you, YOU did. Same thing in this case. The suspects did not push the victim off the cliff, she jumped on her own causing her death.[/quote]
So you don’t believe people are capable of inflicting mental injuries/trauma on other people? That everything that is spoken is effectively meaningless in its own right?
A kid I went to high school with got bullied and finally stood up to him at a party. Beat the shit out of the bully real bad after the bully started in with him. The bully left the party, came back a while later with a few cousins and friends all with baseball bats and golf clubs, and they put the kid in a coma. So yeah, beating up the bully always solves everything…except not at all.
I agree with the don’t be weak and stand up to the bully and get your hands dirty comments in general, but this was just a little girl we’re talking about. I don’t feel like a little girl should have to do that.
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
A kid I went to high school with got bullied and finally stood up to him at a party. Beat the shit out of the bully real bad after the bully started in with him. The bully left the party, came back a while later with a few cousins and friends all with baseball bats and golf clubs, and they put the kid in a coma. So yeah, beating up the bully always solves everything…except not at all. [/quote]
Will there always be an exception? Of course. But just because there is the possibility of an occasional car accident, that doesn’t keep you from driving, does it? In the majority of cases, a bully will back the fuck down. Every once in a while he will come back with his buddies and try to put you in a coma. If you are armed, you don’t have to worry about it.
Which is why I carried a gun if the bat wasn’t enough. It’s also why I had friends who had my back and would help me bury a body to this day if asked them to. If you make yourself a “hard target”, bullies (and other sociopaths/criminals looking for victims) will move on down the road.
Was my gun illegal? Yes it was. Did I ever get caught with it? No I did not. Did it save my ass just having it? On MANY occasions. It’s better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Again, this comes down to bad parenting. Raising your kids in an environment where they need a weapon just to make it through the day is a bad choice. There are PLENTY of places to live where you can keep your kids safe. It’s one reason I moved the fuck out of Baltimore. I would NEVER raise my kids there.
MOST victims of bullies have weak, liberal parents (who were probably bullied themselves) who don’t teach them to stand up for themselves and thus, become victims. Later in life they become teachers. This is why schools are the way they are now. Because they are run by weak, liberal faggots who can’t deal with reality and just want to be safe.
MOST victims of bullies have weak, liberal parents (who were probably bullied themselves) who don’t teach them to stand up for themselves and thus, become victims. Later in life they become teachers. This is why schools are the way they are now. Because they are run by weak, liberal faggots who can’t deal with reality and just want to be safe.[/quote]
The victims that I’ve known have come from families where the parents were verbally (and occasionally physically) abusive, and anything but liberal.
The kids failed to develop a real sense of self-respect.[/quote]
AC is just pulling “facts” from his ass. And LOL at the convict advising committing a felony assault to deal with bullying. You get to go from getting bullied to getting raped.
Bullyism is a kind of ostracism.
It’s not about being weak per se. It’s about being perceived as different by one’s peers.
It’s, by essence, a collective phenomenon :
You become bullied because a group need to bully you to ensure its own cohesion.
which means that you become a bully because the group need you as its leader.
That’s why children who are not especially weak can become victims.
At height or ten, no one is strong enough to continuously face an entire group.
And that’s why beating a bully doesn’t always fix the problem.
If the group still need you to play the role of its common victim : they’ll just find another leader to bully you.
Or another victim, if you’re lucky.
MOST victims of bullies have weak, liberal parents (who were probably bullied themselves) who don’t teach them to stand up for themselves and thus, become victims. Later in life they become teachers. This is why schools are the way they are now. Because they are run by weak, liberal faggots who can’t deal with reality and just want to be safe.[/quote]
Sounds cheesey but I’d like to do my part in changing how elementary schools view bullying, kind of taking it back to the 70’s and 80’s way of thinking.
MOST victims of bullies have weak, liberal parents [/quote]
Yeah, this, just like everything else, is about political affiliation.
Jesus.[/quote]
Al Gore, John Kerry: Vietnam vets.
Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh: Draft dodgers.
Muhammad Ali: Conscientious objector.
One of my “liberal” English professors: Vietnam vet.
My Grandfather, the English professor: WW2 vet.
The Chinese protestor: who stood up to a tank.
MOST victims of bullies have weak, liberal parents [/quote]
Yeah, this, just like everything else, is about political affiliation.
Jesus.[/quote]
Al Gore, John Kerry: Vietnam vets.
Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh: Draft dodgers.
Muhammad Ali: Conscientious objector.
One of my “liberal” English professors: Vietnam vet.
My Grandfather, the English professor: WW2 vet.
The Chinese protestor: who stood up to a tank.
Who exactly among the above are the cowards? [/quote]
You are.
Why did you call Muhammad Ali a “conscientious objector” while Rush, Rove, and Cheney are “draft dodgers” ?
Are they not guilty of the same thing, except that one of them is a brotha ?
MOST victims of bullies have weak, liberal parents (who were probably bullied themselves) who don’t teach them to stand up for themselves and thus, become victims. Later in life they become teachers. This is why schools are the way they are now. Because they are run by weak, liberal faggots who can’t deal with reality and just want to be safe.[/quote]
The victims that I’ve known have come from families where the parents were verbally (and occasionally physically) abusive, and anything but liberal.
The kids failed to develop a real sense of self-respect.[/quote]
Everyone is bullied at some point. The question is whether you will stand up for yourself. That does not mean to get into a fight.
I always had real friends. If something went down I knew I had friends who had my back and they knew I had their back. Not much ever happened because I could handle it myself.
The story about the kid being put into a coma. Shows that the other people at the party sided with the bully and were bullies themselves. If I was at the party I would have gotten into that fight to help the bullied. I was taught to help the weak and that was taught to me by Jesus. Just my thoughts.
Greater love has no one than this: to lay down oneâ??s life for oneâ??s friends.
MOST victims of bullies have weak, liberal parents [/quote]
Yeah, this, just like everything else, is about political affiliation.
Jesus.[/quote]
Al Gore, John Kerry: Vietnam vets.
Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh: Draft dodgers.
Muhammad Ali: Conscientious objector.
One of my “liberal” English professors: Vietnam vet.
My Grandfather, the English professor: WW2 vet.
The Chinese protestor: who stood up to a tank.
Who exactly among the above are the cowards? [/quote]
You have any proof that Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and Rush Limbaugh are actually draft dodgers that ran to Canada after being drafted?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Will there always be an exception? Of course. But just because there is the possibility of an occasional car accident, that doesn’t keep you from driving, does it? In the majority of cases, a bully will back the fuck down. Every once in a while he will come back with his buddies and try to put you in a coma. If you are armed, you don’t have to worry about it.
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Because your personal anecdote is the rule and everything else is the exception that happens once in a blue moon.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Will there always be an exception? Of course. But just because there is the possibility of an occasional car accident, that doesn’t keep you from driving, does it? In the majority of cases, a bully will back the fuck down. Every once in a while he will come back with his buddies and try to put you in a coma. If you are armed, you don’t have to worry about it.
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Because your personal anecdote is the rule and everything else is the exception that happens once in a blue moon.
Yup.[/quote]
You can’t not do something because you fear of what may (or may not) happen.
Bullies will not stop, you can threaten to ground them, you can take away their gagdets, none of that will resonate enough to make them stop.
Remove the mystique of having power and dominion over someone, by standing up to them. Give them one verbal warning, after that, it’s on like Donkey Kong.