[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I fight this with every fiber of my being?? [/quote]
LOL! My thoughts exactly. Orion youâre turning out to be quite a drama queen! That said considering how infrequent both Em and I have actually posted compared to you and the other guys here you sure make us seem pretty damn special and give us lots of attention. =)
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That is because you are damn special.
If would guestimate that both of you are in the top 10% of your gender when it comes to intelligence and self awareness and if you immediately dismiss the most self evident features of the female mind there is no hope of convincing the other 90%, let alone make them woman up and get their shit together.
Ultimately that means that women cannot be expected to reign in or even acknowledge their baser instincts and most if not all societies that came before us had it exactly right when men did it for them.
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Orion, thank you for the nice compliment, but disagreeing with you does not constitute unawareness of gender dynamics. I donât cheat and Iâm not even tempted. I donât harangue anyone. That is not in MY nature. Women are not made from one mold any more than Asians or men are.
I would offer Deb and I as examples that youâre off track. Anyone reading us would HAVE to see that we are different in many ways. Her job is technical and she is clearly more direct, less wordy, more analytical, and less sympathetic when posting. In other words, more traditionally male in her intellectual orientation. Yet personally, I donât find her unfeminine in the least. She is just not as far along the âfeminineâ spectrum as I am, with my nurturing job, my emotional orientation, and my boundless desire for picket fences. I donât know if youâve ever seen pictures of our respective bodies, but they seem to tell the same tale. Deb is more muscular by far than I am, with a heavier bone structure. This is largely to do with Debâs willingness to expend more effort than I in the gym, but some of it is physiology. I have a lot of trouble gaining muscle and lose it very quickly. Iâm a runner, as she is, and if I miss a week I have recovery work to do for that reason. Iâm going to guess that her muscle memory is much better than mine. I am in very good shape, but no one would ever look at me and think âstrong.â More just âfemale.â Deb would earn both designations, along with an âomg hot hot hot.â 
I donât know what her base instincts are, but I canât imagine, reading what she writes here, that they match your vision of modern womanhood.
[quote]Yes, I do think that highly intelligent and competent men are easily victimized by women especially if the idealize them and NO THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ONLY HAVE THEMSELVES TO BLAME which is exactly how you feel about it.
How do I know?
Magic. [/quote]
How I feel about it? I donât blame groups, orion. Itâs silly. Half the population is fucking everything up? No, thatâs ridiculous. I donât hate men or blame men or judge men as inferior or superior as a group. I judge some men as superior, others as inferior. Women get the same treatment from me. I also donât judge marriage as failed. Statistically speaking, of the 40-50% of marriages that last, probably half are truly GOOD. So that would be about 25% of the whole. Not all are based in Japan. Of the ones that fail, probably 25% were truly BAD. We have some men on the boards here talking about really toxic marriages and divorces. Others have divorced without much drama and gotten on with life. Like everything else some good, some bad, most somewhere in between.
If I observe a shitty marriage I generally do make a judgment of who is the greater problem, but I go both ways. Sometimes her, sometimes him. Depends. I have friends who bitch about their husbands, but whom I judge to be at fault in the marriage.
Not at all sure what Iâm fighting with every fiber of my being unless itâs your miserable outlook and over-generalizations. Men, Iâm good with. Being a woman is fine with me. Iâm not in conflict with my nature or theirs or anyoneâs.
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First of all, damn right, disagreeing with me does not constitute unawareness of gender dynamics.
It just means that you have it all wrong.
Then, that you do not feel the need to cheat, for now, is irrelevant. I do not feel the need to fuck a boxom 19 year old either if there isnt one around.
That does not mean that the basic biological programming is not there.
Also, well, yes, women are exactly as uniform as men or Asians are, but while men and male Asians would probably agree that all their basic urges are the same, women express their uniformity by insisting that they are all special little snowflakes.
I am aware that belonging to the biologically more valuable sex comes with a certain degree of narcissim and delusion but come on.
If we dragged a female dolphin, peacock or goose in here they would probably insist that there was nothing dolphinish, peacockish or goosish about them and I would entertain it with the same earnestness as your snowflaking.
Snowflaking btw is a technical PUA term.
Cause, you are like all soooo special, that we have technical terms for the most common delusions.
If that does not give you pause, nothing will.
Then, half of the population is fucking everything up?
No, but if I blamed any part of the population it would be men, because those spineless, sackless wonders have failed to do what every generation before them seems to have managed, keeping a lid on the most base female urges.
What I do believe is that one part of the population leads a live sheltered from personal resposibility and is allowed to indulge in baseless puerile fantasies at other peoples expense and those people share a common feature, a uterus.
Are there women who protest this, yes, but for the most part they just take it for granted.
