^last two avis = win.
What were we talkin about again?
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
It’s sad that an upstanding man who worked an honest job for 25 years has to put up with this shit and get suspended indefinitely for dealing with an attacker.
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Well, I finally got to watch the full video and problem is, he was right there with her talking just as much crap, entertaining her, snapping right back at her and told her in so many words that, he was ‘‘about that life’’ when he said he would get his daughter/granddaughter to fuck her up. They were as fucking bad as each other. And it’s even worse for him because he was the one on the job.
For every action there is an equal and appropriate reaction. What we saw was; woman gets in someone’s face and, pushes and MAYBE spits on someone (honestly the video shows no clear evidence of this). The response: -Grandad stops the bus -an uppercut to the jaw - girl being slung out of a bus onto the concrete, her things thrown out at her like garbage, lol - her, coming back in for more and being choked and thrown onto the floor again.
First and foremost HE is the employee and should remain professional and in control, but unfortunately his ego got in the way of that. He should have left the law handle her. Now he may lose his job. They both know they’ve fucked up. No wonder neither of them are pressing charges.
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Driving a bus with people on it… I think he was justified.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
How can you possibly say any of this after 3 witnesses stated SHE was the aggressor? Do you have any idea how dangerous it is for everyone on the bus when the operator of the vehicle has to fend off an attacker while driving?
Furthermore, are you seriously doubting the testimony of a man with a clean record working an honourable job for 22 years because it conflicts with the account of a crazy drunken woman? Did you see her behaviour? You can’t be serious.
We already know this woman has a coloured past, she’s stabbed in the face. Based on the behaviour she displayed in the video, her poor english, I highly doubt this type of drama is new to her.
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You seem hormonal. Cool down a little. I was just trying to give you an idea why his company decided to suspend him, that’s all.
I’m not sure if you’ve read my first few posts in this thread but I hadn’t condoned this girl’s behaviour. She clearly stepped over the yellow line and hit the driver. However, after I saw the full video, I believe that his company must have felt he was clearly as guilty as she was.
Also I’ve read the testimony reports. The driver’s report says the woman was ran for warrants but nothing came back. Is there a different document that has information about her warrants? Also they BOTH threatened each other…it wasn’t just on her part.
And this report is so full of holes it’s laughable. They interviewed all the passengers on the bus but only seemed to include information from the bus driver. Odd.
He says she grabbed his throat and spit on him. She may have spit on him (though I can’t tell from the video) but when did she grab his throat?
The report also says he attempted to use his cellphone but she knocked it off his hands and began to strike him with her fist. When did that happen?
The report states that he stopped the bus and began to protect himself.
The only thing HE SAID he did (according to that report) was ‘‘push her back until the police arrived.’’
The video tells a much more accurate picture than that report. I was on the driver’s side until I saw the full video. Both deserve their comeuppance.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
So when he is insulted, choked and spit on he must do what exactly? Ignore her, continue to drive the bus and hope he doesn’t crash?
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Stop the fucking bus and tell everybody he’s going nowhere until the cops get there. I bet had he done that, the passengers would have jumped that girl. No one wants to be fucking late for work.
Or, the other ‘‘safer’’ is just to stop the bus, walk to the girl and fuck her up. Then lose his job. [/quote]
We get that what he did wasn’t professional but he is human after all. How much abuse does someone have to take before they have the right to snap? Everyone has a boiling point. That trashy cunt deserved it and that’s all that matters to me. I just wish he would have hit her harder.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
You seem hormonal. Cool down a little. I was just trying to give you an idea why his company decided to suspend him, that’s all.
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Whatever you think you were doing (Insight? Right), your post was pretty fucking dumb.
[quote]andrew_live wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
- everyone knows before punches are thrown, you’re supposed to yell “put your dukes up”
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Was that sarcasm? Its not like fights nowadays are like 30’s style boxing. [/quote]
LOL, you have to ask
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Driving a bus with people on it… I think he was justified.[/quote]
Hell yeah.
Tell that to his company. I ain’t the one who fired him.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
We get that what he did wasn’t professional but he is human after all. How much abuse does someone have to take before they have the right to snap? Everyone has a boiling point. That trashy cunt deserved it and that’s all that matters to me. I just wish he would have hit her harder.[/quote]
Hey, not disagreeing here. The bitch deserved to be uppercut and the bus driver to be suspended. She’s a 25 year old woman with kids who’s been through hell. She should know better. And he, nearing his 50s, could have gone about the whole situation differently since HE WAS ON A JOB. I’m sure he’d been spat at or abused – not necessarily physically-- throughout his 22 years on the job but this time, his ego got the best of him. Yeah, we’re all humans, and we all break bad at some point. You can even tell in the video, after he hit her the second time, that he look shaken too. He knew he’d gone too far. He knew he’d lost his job.
Well done on him for busting her up. Fucking awesome uppercut, grandpa! But don’t be fucking angry with the world, and women in particular – Rajraj, you hear? – now that you’ve lost your job because you hit somebody. And I’m sure the consequences would have been the same had he hit a man. That fucking bitch could have been thrown in jail for hitting him while he was driving, endangering the life of other passengers, but he decided to take the law into his own hands. There are cameras everywhere. Even I, as a former fighter, know that defending myself can lead me to jail. In Krav Maga, we are told to be weary of cameras. The law is not always on your side. You can defend yourself but you’re the one who might end up in jail. That’s life.
Bottom line is, keep your hand to yourself . When you dare somebody, you never know what’s gonna happen. When you swing or even dare challenge someone, you’d better be prepared. That does not only apply to men and women, but to men vs men, women vs women, dog vs dog, cat vs cat… etc. You do something, better be prepared because not everybody thinks before they react to you. There’s right and wrong, and then there’s ‘‘it is what it is’’.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
Whatever you think you were doing (Insight? Right), your post was pretty fucking dumb.[/quote]
And here I am, not giving a shit about what you thought about my post 
I ain’t the one crying like a bitch 'cos a bus driver got fired.
I agree with everything DarkNinjaa said and I think some people are mixing up the fact that it’s great that the stupid woman got hit with whether the bus driver should have done it or not.
Of course he shouldn’t have done it for how it jeopardizes his job. Yet if you’re like me you’re happy that she got hit.
It would have been better if one of the other people on the bus , maybe a 400lb woman, just walked along into the argument, grabbed the woman by the hair and said “Bitch, you’re leaving with me…” and dragged her off the bus and curb stomped her.
[quote]Nards wrote:
It would have been better if one of the other people on the bus , maybe a 400lb woman, just walked along into the argument, grabbed the woman by the hair and said “Bitch, you’re leaving with me…” and dragged her off the bus and curb stomped her.[/quote]
You know what, I wondered as I watched the entire fucking video, why not even ONE person stopped that bitch when she hit the driver. They were both arguing for a very long time and no one budged to fucking tell her to shut the fuck up. No one budged when she hit the driver. They were all laughing and filming! What the fucking fuck?? But as soon as she gets choked around, everyone rushes to save her ass??
Been a while since I’ve been on a bus, but damn, this type of fuckery doesn’t work with me. Especially if I’m fucking late for work. The first time she hit that bus driver, I would have been the one throwing her ass out of the bus.
The bus driver will get his job back. His union is 100% behind him.
So no, Rajraj, women don’t always get away with it.
It would have been magnificent if you had been there.
Perhaps you could consider that…moving to Ohio and being like a Sky Marshall but on the bus.
[quote]Nards wrote:
It would have been magnificent if you ha been there.
Perhaps you could consider that…moving to Ohio and being like a Sky Marshall but on the bus.[/quote]
They’d throw me in jail the same day. I’d do worse shit to people than the Granpa in the video.
[quote]Nards wrote:
I agree with everything DarkNinjaa said and I think some people are mixing up the fact that it’s great that the stupid woman got hit with whether the bus driver should have done it or not.
Of course he shouldn’t have done it for how it jeopardizes his job. Yet if you’re like me you’re happy that she got hit.
It would have been better if one of the other people on the bus , maybe a 400lb woman, just walked along into the argument, grabbed the woman by the hair and said “Bitch, you’re leaving with me…” and dragged her off the bus and curb stomped her.[/quote]
No it’s because if the attacker were male, the bus driver would’ve been given the key to the city.
This is typical double standard behaviour. Equality doesn’t start and stop at a females conveinance.
Just look at the bitches comments post altercation. She couldn’t believe she was hit because she was a female. That same sentiment is being echoed on many news sites
[quote]therajraj wrote:
No it’s because if the attacker were male, the bus would’ve been given the key to the city.
This is typical double standard behaviour. Equality doesn’t start and stop at a females conveinance.
Just look at the bitches comments post altercation. She couldn’t believe she was hit because she was a female. That same sentiment is being echoed on many news sites [/quote]
Believe it or not, in some of the predominately female sites I’ve been to, the majority of the females posters are applauding the bus driver. So, most women aren’t behind her, and most men aren’t white knighting her either.
This thread is also proving that. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of guys who took her side.
I think the driver should have thrown her off the bus, but it seems like his punch was ineffective anyway.
I’ve never been of the mind that hitting someone is the right way to end a verbal argument. Sure it’d be great to see some loudmouth get hit, but there’s no way in Hell I’m hitting a woman to end an argument. I won’t even think of hitting a man for that.
Now if someone tries to do something completely dangerous, then you can use all kinds of force to stop them…but it should almost be clinical…like you’ve taken emotion out of it and are simply using physicality to accomplish your goal.
Like if some guy tries to attack you, you need not speak, but do what you can to protect yourself.
If a crazy woman attacked me and I couldn’t get away then I’d likely throw her down or do what was necessary.
[quote]Nards wrote:
I agree with everything DarkNinjaa said and I think some people are mixing up the fact that it’s great that the stupid woman got hit with whether the bus driver should have done it or not.
Of course he shouldn’t have done it for how it jeopardizes his job. Yet if you’re like me you’re happy that she got hit.
It would have been better if one of the other people on the bus , maybe a 400lb woman, just walked along into the argument, grabbed the woman by the hair and said “Bitch, you’re leaving with me…” and dragged her off the bus and curb stomped her.[/quote]
This. People think the ignorant, drunken obnoxious female who expects to get away with murder because she’s a woman deserves to get hit but usually doesn’t. On the rare occasion when she does, people are like “YES!” fistpump as they flood with a sense of righteous indignation and triumph. This is understandable, but it doesn’t mean it’s how the driver “should” have acted in terms of his own best interest. Had she cracked her head on the pavement after getting tossed out and ended up dead (very plausible outcome), he’d be looking at manslaughter as well as unemployment. I’m not defending the passenger’s actions in the least, simply pointing out the facts.
Regarding her endangering the passengers by assaulting the driver while he was driving the bus, this ceased to be true when he stopped the bus. The threat had ended but he was still, understandably, pissed of. “Understandable” or even “awesome” (as some have said) does not mean “justified” in any meaningful legal sense. Detaining her until the cops arrived so he could press assault charges would have been “justified” and had he one this he would probably still be employed.
However he let his ego/emotions get the better of him for whatever reasons and so here he is, perhaps “awesome” in some people’s estimation, but definitely unemployed and possibly facing charges. Is this fair? Maybe not. Is it a totally predictable result in the adult world? Yup.
Edited.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
reminded me of this…
Connery and women slapping - YouTube [/quote]
That is messed up. I definitely did not watch that whole video 4 times all the way through, and the last 5 seconds 20 times, laughing harder each time. [/quote]
watch out when bond gives you the eyebrow
Meanwhile, not a single person on this entire site was there when it happened, having to deal with the sudden flood of adrenaline, that jacked-up, hyper-anxious feeling that is your fight or flight mechanism screaming at you do do something as you do everything you can to suppress it and attempt to think logically.
No one here knows how it must have felt for him to be doing a job that requires his attention, control and responsibility and to suddenly have all of this snatched away from him while leaving his responsibility for the bus and his passengers wholly intact.
He had a dangerous, volatile, probably drunk, hostile element on his bus who quickly went from antagonistic to belligerent to outright violent in a short period of time. She was a danger to him and to the safety of the passengers and he had the responsibility to remove her. Further, she made it crystal clear, through ever more violent responses, that she had absolutely no intention of getting off that bus.
That driver had the responsibility to ensure the safety of his passengers, particularly the paying ones, and he did what he felt he had to, under the circumstances, to regain control of the bus and remove the dangerous element.
It’s all well and good to armchair quarterback from the comfort of our desks, talking, “Well you know what I would have done…” It’s another thing altogether to actually find yourself in that completely unwarranted, unwanted situation and to not know what’s going on and just react and deal with it.
More and more, I think the worst thing about this present age is the almost total dissemination of hand held video cameras.
I can’t believe it hasn’t been said, but yeah I’d hit it.