Hey guys, I agree with the statements about never seeing anybody in real life doing deads, besides me and my training partner there is only one other gym member i see doing deads and he’s not that good, 225 for reps i think. I started deadlift 185 for 3rm acouple years ago and I am currently at 365 for 1rm. I do deads once a week as the first lift of the day and am switching it to be the first lift of the week. My personal goal is 405 for 3rm, any suggesstions on rep/set schemes to get there?
How’s this for another perspective.
Something I’ve always wondered, since I stumbled across this site (a while before I actually joined). There seem to be a lot of people who are posting numbers they are apparently ashamed of “I can only bench 275, but I’m working on it”, “My Squat is only 390, I have bad knees” etc. and they seem to have little or no muscular development to show for it, how is this possible?
I am stronger than I was a year ago and I look stronger than I was a year ago. Every person I have personally seen move a decent amount of weight looked as though they could move a decent amount of weight, even the smaller ones (like me) tend to have that dense look.
So am I missing something or is this phenomena really as ridiculous as it seems to me? It’s like a midget posting pictures and bragging about his dunking skills.
Personally, I don’t care if someone lies about what they can lift. If they have to lie to people to feel better about themselves, well, that’s sad.
I’m not in the gym to compete against other people, I’m there to compete against myself.
I’m on this website to learn as much as I can to better myself in the gym.
So, if someone wants to come on here and claim to deadlift 900lbs. at a bodyweight of 130lbs., who cares. It doesn’t affect me one way or another.
They are the ones who have to look in the mirror everyday and see a liar looking back at them.
This is just one more post in what seems to be an endless stream of them where California Law whines about sub-200 pound guys not lifting enough weight or eating enough to get huge or being idiots for not wanting to look like him or…
I wonder if we could track these posts with a monthly cycle?
[quote]IQ wrote:
How’s this for another perspective.
Something I’ve always wondered, since I stumbled across this site (a while before I actually joined). There seem to be a lot of people who are posting numbers they are apparently ashamed of “I can only bench 275, but I’m working on it”, “My Squat is only 390, I have bad knees” etc. and they seem to have little or no muscular development to show for it, how is this possible?
I am stronger than I was a year ago and I look stronger than I was a year ago. Every person I have personally seen move a decent amount of weight looked as though they could move a decent amount of weight, even the smaller ones (like me) tend to have that dense look.
So am I missing something or is this phenomena really as ridiculous as it seems to me? It’s like a midget posting pictures and bragging about his dunking skills.[/quote]
Couldn’t agree more. Anyone who CAN bench over 300 looks like it, and anyone who CAN squat over 300 looks like it (real squats mind you). When i see some pics of a guy who looks like the only time he was in a gym was to use the phone because his car broke down claiming 300, 400, 500…I am skeptical as best.
Also, anyone who doesn’t think a 400lb deadlift is good needs to open their eyes and look at the rest of the human population. I’ve only seen a handful of people ever do that.
[quote]IQ wrote:
How’s this for another perspective.
Something I’ve always wondered, since I stumbled across this site (a while before I actually joined). There seem to be a lot of people who are posting numbers they are apparently ashamed of “I can only bench 275, but I’m working on it”, “My Squat is only 390, I have bad knees” etc. and they seem to have little or no muscular development to show for it, how is this possible?
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This is interesting. There is a certain amount of strength gains that come from learning how to lift without adding significant amounts of muscle but there is also a cutoff where you have to be big or a complete freak to lift a weight.
[quote]baretta wrote:
IQ wrote:
How’s this for another perspective.
Something I’ve always wondered, since I stumbled across this site (a while before I actually joined). There seem to be a lot of people who are posting numbers they are apparently ashamed of “I can only bench 275, but I’m working on it”, “My Squat is only 390, I have bad knees” etc. and they seem to have little or no muscular development to show for it, how is this possible?
I am stronger than I was a year ago and I look stronger than I was a year ago. Every person I have personally seen move a decent amount of weight looked as though they could move a decent amount of weight, even the smaller ones (like me) tend to have that dense look.
So am I missing something or is this phenomena really as ridiculous as it seems to me? It’s like a midget posting pictures and bragging about his dunking skills.
Couldn’t agree more. Anyone who CAN bench over 300 looks like it, and anyone who CAN squat over 300 looks like it (real squats mind you). When i see some pics of a guy who looks like the only time he was in a gym was to use the phone because his car broke down claiming 300, 400, 500…I am skeptical as best.
Also, anyone who doesn’t think a 400lb deadlift is good needs to open their eyes and look at the rest of the human population. I’ve only seen a handful of people ever do that.[/quote]
I lift at a university gym and there are plenty of rugby players who lift there. A lot of these guys are big fuckers, yet the biggest bench i’ve seen is about 140kg (308lbs)for a few reps. This is apparently weak by T-Nation standards.
I’ve never even seen anyone do full deadlifts at my gym. I’ve seen dumbell deadlifts and smith machine deadlifts.
At 5 ft 9, 165lbs i deadlifted 308lbs without a belt the other week. Another 40kg and im at 400lbs. I’ve been lifting for 5 months and started at 136lbs, but not deadlifting every week. So i would say 400lbs is very attainable.
It’s all relative. I was lucky to start lifting in a hardcore gym of about 8-10 guys- all of them deadlifed and competed. I then worked at a commercial gym and saw almost no one pulling. It just depends on where you are.To some people a 400lb deadlift is good. To some(myself included) a 600lb dl is good.Most of the time no matter who you are there is always someon bigger or stronger than you anyway, so who cares.
This is the saddest thread alive. Just because you can’t do something you feel the need to call out others and question those who are stronger than you? Like another poster said alot of people here are actually strong and train to get stronger.
I’ve never used my shortcomings as a means to try and call out and question those who are clearly stronger, bigger, etc. than me. If you had a 600 lb deadlift would you be asking these same questions?
It’s like people who assume everyone is bigger than them they are on steroids.
Perhaps you should take a look at yourself, how you train, and where you train.
In my “powerlifting” gym, where strength training is encouraged, everyone, repeat everyone could pull 400 lbs for reps with no belt. And that was 165 lbs guys included.
Look at Cressey. He pulls 600 lbs plus at 165.
There will always be people much stronger than you, even at a lower bodyweight. I think you should actualy try getting strong instead of worrying about what other people are doing that are much stronger than you, unless you are asking for advice.
While many people are not deadlifting at mainstream gyms, I believe that any male can deadlift 405 with effort.
I looked in my logbook. Last year, I weighed 175, had 13.5" cold unflexed arms, and deadlifted 315 for 5x5. I pulled 405 for singles. With little change in stats, I pulled 465 without chalk several months ago. I pulled 405 13 times in under 10 minutes without chalk. Whoopie-do, another guy did it 30+ times.
Plenty of people can deadlift 405+. Most people could deadlift 405+. They lack the desire to gain strength.
I think any male with a decent training program can DL 400+. In my gym I’ve seen 2 guys deadlift. 2!!! I’ve seen maybe 10 girls or so deadlifting but nothing over 45 lb’s. The guys I saw deadlifting were only using 2 plates. The thing I’ve noticed at my gym, most people don’t push themselves on the heavy compound lifts, except maybe bench.
You don’t need to be on steroids to pull 400+. I DL’d 365 about 6 months in from starting to lift. You just got to actually do the lift and push yourself, and do good accessory lifts.
[quote]T.J. wrote:
I truly beleive its the other way around, 95% of the population COULD deadlift 400 pounds with proper training. Your saying only 1 out of 20 men have the potential to work up to a 400+ pound deadlift in their life, hahaha. Please. 1 out of 20 men could probably deadlift 400+ in the first 5 or 6 workouts. Not including any kind of equipment, the deadlift is pretty much the strongest exercise the human body is at. It is fully able to deadlift 400 pounds.
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I didn’t say potential, I said ability, as in ability to do so now, without any additional training. I’m sure that less than 1 in 20 men on the street can deadlift 400 lbs. Most of the people I see on the street are skinny, fat, or skinnyfat.
400 lb deadlift is like nothing.
In my high school football program that was often the first shirt people got when they were sophomores.
anyone with half a brain , half of some discipline and half an effort can get to a 400 lb deadlift rather quickly
In high school I pulled 535 for 3 reps my junior summer going into my senior year.
the total amount of kids who pulled 400 has got to be in the 600s.
It was the first shirt 400, than 450, then the bottom of the boards was 500, the top was 585.
Cali, it is sad that you think this. The first time I ever attempted to deadlift in my life I pulled 315x2 at about 165. My friend who just started lifting weights for the first time in his life a month ago is already pulling over 300 for 3 sets of 5. 400 is really not an impressive deadlift for anyone. For women, I suppose it is. And for children. But not for a grown man.
I am now pulling close to 600 and I’d say just about anyone can get to that point. When I hit 700 I’ll consider myself somewhat strong b/c that number actually means something. Just for reference, I’m not that strong a dude, I only bench in the low 300’s. Just working the deadlift will get you well over 400 if you have even a modicum of fortitude and guts.
Stop posting dumb shit.
To the OP - why is any of this a surprise?
No one on the internet makes as much money as they claim
No one lifts as much as they claim
No one fights like they think they would
No one fucks as much as they claim they do
No one’s dick is that big
I’m at a point where unless I see some hardcore evidence to prove any of the above, I just assume its some loser on the other end spouting off.
I was 190 lbs before I could deadlift 405…but I was about the same weight when I pulled 455 so I’m not so sure about the correlation of numbers relative to bodyweight. Then there’s the fact that I’m 220 right now and I haven’t done a DL in almost a year so who knows what my DL is now.
My squat has always been relatively pathetic, I started with pretty poor form getting up to 475 with what would barely constitute a quarter rep, then I realized what I was doing and totally revamped my form in order to get a full-on ass to grass squat. Very humbling and embarassing at the same time, though I don’t really see all that many people squat with proper form anyway.
Not too much point to my post, just saying everybody is different…one of the best squats I’ve seen was out of a guy who was about a buck-sixty repping out with 455, full range squats and explosive out of the hole…turned out he was a sprinter on our track team.
This thread is making absolutely no f-ing sense because it’s like 90% of the posters aren’t even bothering to read the original post.
He’s not saying he can’t DL 400. Alternatively, he’s not even talking or bragging about how much he can DL.
What he is saying (and I agree) is that there are a lot of people on this very forum who speak of particular numbers on a lot of the Big 3 lifts, and DLing at least 405 is one of those things. What he’s then asking is where are those people out there?
Quite frankly, I agree with him in wondering where most of these people are in gyms. I have lifted in a lot of different places in my 16 or so years of training, from “regular” gyms to hard core gyms. I very rarely see people who put up numbers like a lot of people on forums claim.
Does T-Nation attract a different crowd of lifters? I would like to think so, but from the sheer number of people on this site who talk about all of these lifts like they are no big deal (especially at some of the bodyweights they lift), I think it is not a complete leap of logic to say… where are those people in real life?
You would think I would have seen more than 10 of those people in 16 years… but I haven’t.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
This thread is making absolutely no f-ing sense because it’s like 90% of the posters aren’t even bothering to read the original post.
He’s not saying he can’t DL 400. Alternatively, he’s not even talking or bragging about how much he can DL.
What he is saying (and I agree) is that there are a lot of people on this very forum who speak of particular numbers on a lot of the Big 3 lifts, and DLing at least 405 is one of those things. What he’s then asking is where are those people out there?
Quite frankly, I agree with him in wondering where most of these people are in gyms. I have lifted in a lot of different places in my 16 or so years of training, from “regular” gyms to hard core gyms. I very rarely see people who put up numbers like a lot of people on forums claim.
Does T-Nation attract a different crowd of lifters? I would like to think so, but from the sheer number of people on this site who talk about all of these lifts like they are no big deal (especially at some of the bodyweights they lift), I think it is not a complete leap of logic to say… where are those people in real life?
You would think I would have seen more than 10 of those people in 16 years… but I haven’t.[/quote]
Well said.
[quote]XxMAGxX wrote:
To the OP - why is any of this a surprise?
No one on the internet makes as much money as they claim
No one lifts as much as they claim
No one fights like they think they would
No one fucks as much as they claim they do
No one’s dick is that big
I’m at a point where unless I see some hardcore evidence to prove any of the above, I just assume its some loser on the other end spouting off.
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LOL, and you’re the real thing?