[quote]Fiction wrote:
It’s good to see I’m the only one attempting to have a rational discussion without resorting to insults. Real testament to the site.[/quote]
You come into our locker room…ask a question…and then get told it’s not going to work…then you start telling everyone they’re wrong and you’re right…so…we all wish you good day and send you on your way…but…you keep on with your silliness…and you wonder why we’re saying you’re unintelligent?
My understanding is :
The OP is not in the Military, he would like to marry a female who is in the military in order for his plan to work.
My question is what woman in the military, after being told of this scheme would be stupid enough to go along with it.
By the way , the military really doesn’t give that much consideration to a prenup.
50x
[quote]sen say wrote:
Fiction wrote:
It’s good to see I’m the only one attempting to have a rational discussion without resorting to insults. Real testament to the site.
You come into our locker room…ask a question…and then get told it’s not going to work…then you start telling everyone they’re wrong and you’re right…so…we all wish you good day and send you on your way…but…you keep on with your silliness…and you wonder why we’re saying you’re unintelligent?
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Really? REALLY?
I came in here asking a number of questions actually. I was looking for a rational discussion on those matters. I stated from the outset that I already held certain opinions. However, I made it clear that my mind could be changed with a sound argument. I said that you had a good point regarding the moral issue, and I recognized the practical risks involved as addressed by several other posters. I answered every serious question that was asked to me, even when it was irrelevant (like the high school comment).
But yes, clearly I am a closed minded unintelligent dickhead. Plus, I’ve definitely been crude and insulting to everyo…oh wait.
I came here because I had a legitimate and, I thought, interesting question that I was thinking about. I didn’t expect that everyone, or even most people, would agree–but I had hoped that everyone would try and approach the issue with a rational, open mind.
Instead, open-mindedness is replaced with cheap insults, and rational deliberation is replaced a big circle jerk amongst the veteran posters, “You tell ‘em Professor X, the fuckin’ fag doesn’t know who he’s talking to!”
As to why I’m irritated now, it is because I thought you were the most sensible of the bunch, but I guess I gave too much credit.
So are you entertained? Because if your mentality is to start throwing insults at the first person who expresses a different opinion and doesn’t yield to popular opinion, I certainly wouldn’t expect much learning to go on in the future.
Maybe people will think I’m cool and like me if I post funny pictures.
Ask a dumb question…
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Ask a dumb question…[/quote]
There’s no such thing as a dumb question…
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Ask a dumb question…
There’s no such thing as a dumb question…[/quote]
Only dumb people that ask questions.
[quote]Fiction wrote:
Optimistic Cynic wrote:
Himora22 wrote:
Regardless of how you feel about marriage or the system, why would you want the government to take away benefits that most of the ppl who get them rely on?
For the same reason I don’t believe in the welfare system.
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Now, I’ve had a rough day, but do you not believe in the welfare system because you don’t think your tax dollars should go to support people who won’t/can’t support themselves?
And yet you think it is okay to game the system to basically get something from taxpayers for free?
[quote]Fiction wrote:
I don’t think that my “scheme” is obviously stupid on the face of it.[/quote]
You thought wrong, and have been told many times by many people.
You thought wrong.
You are being told your idea is stupid, and won’t work.
You are the problem.
You are trying to commit fraud. There is no debate to be had - healthy or otherwise.
I can’t stand little wormy fuckers who are looking for an angle to get out of paying for their own way. You are sponging off your brother currently, and are trying to up the ante and get free health care.
How about you grow some nuts and try to be a man?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
How about you grow some nuts and try to be a man?[/quote]
I thought it was established that manliness was an outdated notion and was the reason bad things happen?
It is an evil that must be stamped out for the good of the world.
[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
Now, I’ve had a rough day, but do you not believe in the welfare system because you don’t think your tax dollars should go to support people who won’t/can’t support themselves?
And yet you think it is okay to game the system to basically get something from taxpayers for free?[/quote]
I don’t affix a moral position either the welfare system or the choice to “game the system”. The reason I said I don’t believe in the welfare system is because it provides disincentives to work hard and be responsible.
If they took away the system, I wouldn’t curse the gods for robbing me of what’s mine.
You risk getting your ass handed to you, not even on a silver platter. And your risk is over something petty. An extra 3k a year and some medical benefits. Whatever you decide to do, please let us know.
I think you’re trying to overthink this and turn it into some sort of interesting debate as if it’s a philisophical question. Problem is your questions are not passing a common sense test (most especially with the folks who’ve lived in the military community) hence the reactions you’re receiving…
[quote]Fiction wrote:
I don’t affix a moral position either the welfare system or the choice to “game the system”.[/quote]
So, in other words, you do not affix a moral position to lying and committing fraud?
Look, you have started a thread asking if what is actually committing fraud is a good idea and there is a clear answer to that given to you by the overwhelming majority of the posters and ALL of the posters with military experience: No. You are trying to figure out a way to commit fraud against the U.S. government. Do you truly appreciate how crazy that is?
Why do you continue to even pursue this line of questioning?
I for one, think it’s a great idea. And I plan on doing it as soon as I get out of jail for pouring a cup of water on the floor at a Casino and “slipping” on it.
[quote]Fiction wrote:
Himora22 wrote:
Regardless of how you feel about marriage or the system, why would you want the government to take away benefits that most of the ppl who get them rely on?
For the same reason I don’t believe in the welfare system.
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Ummm WHAT? Did you really just compare the two? There is a BIG difference between ppl on welfare who dont work and the ppl who go to war for this country
[quote]Kuz wrote:
Fiction wrote:
I don’t affix a moral position either the welfare system or the choice to “game the system”.
So, in other words, you do not affix a moral position to lying and committing fraud?[/quote]
Gah. No. In the aforementioned quote, the poster was wondering if my opposition to the welfare system was contradictory to some acceptance of “gaming the system”. I don’t like the system being gamed, which is why I don’t like the system itself.
First, that wasn’t the only question I was asking. I was honestly interested in the moral question, yet people can’t seem to talk about moral issues without getting their panties in a bunch (OMG, you’re pro-choice–you fucking baby-killer/OMG, you’re pro-life–you hate women’s rights!).
Second, I have recognized the position of all the military posters. At the time I wasn’t even sure if it was fraud–it seemed to me to be more like one of those things most people just don’t think of, like the fact that people who own a business can (and do) write off things like nights out at restaurants as tax write-offs if they call them business meetings.
However, the responses of the servicemen sufficiently convinced me that it was a bad idea. In fact, I acknowledge this on the very first page; before all of the histrionics about how I was a worm who was lower than dirt for even contemplating such a thing.
I haven’t asked a serious question pertaining to the original post since the first page. Most of my subsequent responses have been replies to attacks on my character or intelligence.
[quote]Himora22 wrote:
Ummm WHAT? Did you really just compare the two? There is a BIG difference between ppl on welfare who dont work and the ppl who go to war for this country [/quote]
The military is a volunteer organization, so…
[quote]Fiction wrote:
Bottomline–if the military doesn’t pay well enough for you, don’t join it. If you are joining it because you love what you do, then you are doing the job you love to do, just like the artists or teachers that don’t get paid dick. And if you’re joining it because it was the “only job you could get”…well, you’re probably being paid more than you’re worth.[/quote]
[quote]Fiction wrote:
Really? REALLY?
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I’m picturing you saying this in your best Nathan Lane voice.
I AM the most sensible of the bunch. I am also the best looking, strongest, fastest AND I have the biggest penis.
Yes…I am entertained…calling you unintelligent is hardly an insult in my book…I’ve busted the chops of a lot or people on here and, in general, the people whose chops have been busted and I have come away with a greater understanding of each other…but…you, YOU, cry like a little bitch and whine that you want an intelligent conversation…bullshit pal…intelligent conversation would be discussing whether the world would have had Tupac without Handsome Harry the Hipster back in 1929…you’re thread is neither intelligent, nor thought provoking.
Anyway…we busted your chops…you cried we were picking on you…you’re hardly a newb with 270 posts…the best thing to have done would have been to say…oh yeah…I see what you guys are saying…instead you claim your heroes don’t exactly support your dumb scheme…but…they smile like they do…while calling your mom a raging lunatic.
Hang it up bra and let’s start over. We’re all very forgiving…
[quote]Fiction wrote:
The military is a volunteer organization, so…
Fiction wrote:
Bottomline–if the military doesn’t pay well enough for you, don’t join it. If you are joining it because you love what you do, then you are doing the job you love to do, just like the artists or teachers that don’t get paid dick. And if you’re joining it because it was the “only job you could get”…well, you’re probably being paid more than you’re worth.[/quote]
Really? Have you ever gone to College and gotten a grant or a scholarship of some kind? If so then you need to give that shit back b/c it was your choice to go to college. Or how about getting Taxes back? Or do you try and cheat your way out of those too?
We are not GIVEN ANY BENEFITS, WE earn our fucking way. We earn our free health care, our housing allowance and our $250 a month for being married and b/c ppl like YOU try and cheat the system WE should have that taken away? I hope someone rolls up in your house and puts a bullet in your ass b/c the Cops in your area are on strike b/c some one is trying to take their benefits away.