[quote]idaho wrote:
“The coach says never to throw a middle kick in mma so i haven’t tried it yet”
I really dont know what you mean by “middle kick”. If you are referring to a “push-kick” , “front kick”, “straight kick”, “front snapping kick” and your coach says they are ineffective, then, I would suggest trying to watch the UFC fight between Cerrone and Miller (last night). Cerrone used the front kick to land devastating body shots to Miller, which set him up for the high kick knockout. [/quote]
By middle kick i meen the roundhouse kick to the body!
Straight kicks, either push or snap ones are awesome and my coach actually likes them a lot.
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Why not? Suggesting that perhaps a certain technique is a low percentage technique, like a flying Gogoplata, is fine, but suggesting they you should never throw a roundhouse to the body just makes no sense. If you set up the technique correctly it is an excellent technique and if targeted at the liver, bladder, or floating ribs can be a devastating technique. Just ask Brock Lesnar.
This by the way is what you need to do for all of your techniques. Too many people want to just jump right in and spar all the time, when what they really need is to develop their skills so they have something to try to apply while sparring. And if they run into problems, the prescription is usually not more sparring, but more drilling.
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I want to quote this like 5000000 times.
this thread proving once again that for the most part
I said most
most part what happens on the Matt or Ring has little to do with what happens in the weight room
perhaps your cousin has just spent more time- finding the skills that compliement his body type and style vs spending time in the weight room /track/kitchen
the reason this gets under allot of people skin - is that they are busting there ass on the S&C side
and not as much on the skill side.
Its a hell of allot easier to get faster stronger leaner etc
then it is to get better at your sport.
that all being said-
find ways to break movement patterns- and make new ones.
does it mean you need more foot work different reactions to shots-
and counter shots?
do you need to practice set ups for your take downs
clinch , pummeling and head pummeling
in a straight up boxing match you can clinch
in a straight up grappling match you can stalk and stall
these force people out of their own prefered movements
Im not talking about ’ fighting my game crap’
just basic ways to take away people tools
not exciting but it scores and wins
find ways to get new ( read ) better movement patterns
to break their rythyms (your cousin or anyone for that matters) strengths
best way to do that is to drill
neutralizing someone strengths
[quote]P0SEID0N wrote:
He trains really hard but he is lifting for a couple of years and yet he is a lot weaker than me in the weightroom. He can only do bench and squat 1x5/200 and deadlift 1x5/265. Also he is not a lot bigger than me. He is also 6’2 but i am 180 pounds and he is around 210. He is a bit of a fattie around 17-20% bodyfat and i am around 8-11%.[/quote]
How is being 17-20% bf “a bit of a fattie”?
[quote]P0SEID0N wrote:
“Everything else”
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And
[quote]P0SEID0N wrote:
We have a former european wrestling champ at 95kg and even he can’t beat him in wrestling. He also beats the muay thai coach in sparring.[/quote]
Maybe your coaches are lying. Maybe they’re actually really really bad.
And, in spite of all your supposed experience, you’re really bad. And you’ve been training poorly and with bad people all your life.
Or your cousin is an absolute beast of an individual.
I really can’t see a middle ground given the picture you’re painting here.
And I have no idea how your lower back injuries affect BJJ, but not wrestling. Or Judo.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Well, ok I understand what you mean about the weight room, but again that doesn’t really anything.
My initial response to your issue is…get better at the techniques that you have learned then, or learn some better ones because if your cousin can hold you with one hand (while you are not wearing a Gi) and you can’t get out of that position, then you are either not nearly as skilled as you think and/or the techniques that you have been taught aren’t very good.
In regards to striking, fine he is controlling the angle of the fight, therefore you need to control the distance and/or angle out at the same time. Understand that if he comes in with an angular footwork pattern that if you step backwards or even better yet at the opposite angle and backwards that he will still be out of range to hit you. It honestly just sounds like you don’t know how to control distance or set point very well and that is something you should work on. Don’t let him stand in range to punch you with his left hook without hitting him or faking to draw his reaction, that should shut down his favorite move. If he then lunges in from a distance with a left hook while switching his feet (which by the way means that he is crossing his feet in the process if he is also angling to his left), you can hit him with a straight right hand on the way in, check his hook (as it’s not going to have any structure behind it if he is crossing his feet) and then immediately throw your right hook/overhand right back to his chin between his hands, shoulder roll the hook and throw a right round kick to his body or inside of his right leg, lean away from the hook and catch him with a puch kick or side kick to the body (since he will be squared up to you if he is throwing the left hook and stepping forwards with the right foot), shield/check the hook while simultaneously stepping back to your left (taking away his distance), or any number of other counters.
The thing is though, that there is a difference in knowing how to do a technique or counter, and actually being able to do it. What you need is to figure out something that works with your body type and skills and then drill the crap out of it. Have someone just keep doing that combination to you and drill your counter a few thousand times (literally). You can start slower and then gradually increase speed and decrease structure (they can move around, vary their timing/rhythm) until eventually you both are going full speed and essentially doing isolated sparring. Once you can make it work under those conditions fairly consistently, try implementing it in sparring against your cousin. You may still get caught sometimes, but it won’t be the conundrum that it currently is for you.
This by the way is what you need to do for all of your techniques. Too many people want to just jump right in and spar all the time, when what they really need is to develop their skills so they have something to try to apply while sparring. And if they run into problems, the prescription is usually not more sparring, but more drilling.
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It’s not that i can’t get away when his has one hand on me. My trouble is when he gets the plum. Then any defense i try doesn’t work he has a very strong grip.
He mixes dirty boxing with wrestling clinch and i eat his punches when i am on a bad position. Then he immediatelly switches to wrestling again and i can’t escape.
It’s not that i can’t get the distance right with all my opponents, this only happens with him. He is unpredictable. He doesn’t angle all the time, he mixes thing up. But i will work a lot my footwork to become faster and better.
He does not cross his feet when he angles to his left. The angle he gets puts him on a southpaw stance immediatelly and then his throws his right hook or uppercut.
I will try what you said though.
I will drill endlesly both the way he attacks and the defense to it so i can understand it better and also add it to my arsenal because its really awesome.
This by the way is what you need to do for all of your techniques. Too many people want to just jump right in and spar all the time, when what they really need is to develop their skills so they have something to try to apply while sparring. And if they run into problems, the prescription is usually not more sparring, but more drilling.
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I want to quote this like 5000000 times.
this thread proving once again that for the most part
I said most
most part what happens on the Matt or Ring has little to do with what happens in the weight room
perhaps your cousin has just spent more time- finding the skills that compliement his body type and style vs spending time in the weight room /track/kitchen
the reason this gets under allot of people skin - is that they are busting there ass on the S&C side
and not as much on the skill side.
Its a hell of allot easier to get faster stronger leaner etc
then it is to get better at your sport.
that all being said-
find ways to break movement patterns- and make new ones.
does it mean you need more foot work different reactions to shots-
and counter shots?
do you need to practice set ups for your take downs
clinch , pummeling and head pummeling
in a straight up boxing match you can clinch
in a straight up grappling match you can stalk and stall
these force people out of their own prefered movements
Im not talking about ’ fighting my game crap’
just basic ways to take away people tools
not exciting but it scores and wins
find ways to get new ( read ) better movement patterns
to break their rythyms (your cousin or anyone for that matters) strengths
best way to do that is to drill
neutralizing someone strengths
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You are right at everything you say brother!
The thing is i just can’t understand how he is better and stronger than me with only 3 years of training. I am wrestling and boxing since i was a little kid and have more fights than him and yet he is so much better. He outwrestles and outboxes me like its nothing using his speed and strength more than he seems to be using his technique.
And i now understand what everyone is saying about the weight room. It can be a good addition to your training and fighting ability to be strong but its not that much important as mostle people think it is.
Then the question is how do you get the kind of strength he has? Usable strength-fighting strength…Is there a way to train for it?
[quote]P0SEID0N wrote:
He trains really hard but he is lifting for a couple of years and yet he is a lot weaker than me in the weightroom. He can only do bench and squat 1x5/200 and deadlift 1x5/265. Also he is not a lot bigger than me. He is also 6’2 but i am 180 pounds and he is around 210. He is a bit of a fattie around 17-20% bodyfat and i am around 8-11%.[/quote]
How is being 17-20% bf “a bit of a fattie”?
[quote]P0SEID0N wrote:
“Everything else”
[/quote]
And
[quote]P0SEID0N wrote:
We have a former european wrestling champ at 95kg and even he can’t beat him in wrestling. He also beats the muay thai coach in sparring.[/quote]
Maybe your coaches are lying. Maybe they’re actually really really bad.
And, in spite of all your supposed experience, you’re really bad. And you’ve been training poorly and with bad people all your life.
Or your cousin is an absolute beast of an individual.
I really can’t see a middle ground given the picture you’re painting here.
And I have no idea how your lower back injuries affect BJJ, but not wrestling. Or Judo.[/quote]
For his height and weight he seems like a fatty with that amount of bodyfat. He is not obese but he is not ripped either.
My coaches are pretty awesome. The Muay Thai coach has 12 khan and a lot of fights both in Thailand and in my country. He also has videos from some of his fights online.
I can’t post his name in public like that but if you want i can send you his name and links from his fight videos.
Also the wrestling dude is not the coach just an athlete who wants to transition to mma.
My wrestling coach is olympic level but he never wrestles with us he is old.
My back hurts a lot during flexion. Wrestling is mostly extention. It has flexion but not as much as BJJ. During wrestling a get 3/10 low back pain but during BJJ 10/10. I can train with the first kind of pain but not with the second.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Well, ok I understand what you mean about the weight room, but again that doesn’t really anything.
My initial response to your issue is…get better at the techniques that you have learned then, or learn some better ones because if your cousin can hold you with one hand (while you are not wearing a Gi) and you can’t get out of that position, then you are either not nearly as skilled as you think and/or the techniques that you have been taught aren’t very good.
In regards to striking, fine he is controlling the angle of the fight, therefore you need to control the distance and/or angle out at the same time. Understand that if he comes in with an angular footwork pattern that if you step backwards or even better yet at the opposite angle and backwards that he will still be out of range to hit you. It honestly just sounds like you don’t know how to control distance or set point very well and that is something you should work on. Don’t let him stand in range to punch you with his left hook without hitting him or faking to draw his reaction, that should shut down his favorite move. If he then lunges in from a distance with a left hook while switching his feet (which by the way means that he is crossing his feet in the process if he is also angling to his left), you can hit him with a straight right hand on the way in, check his hook (as it’s not going to have any structure behind it if he is crossing his feet) and then immediately throw your right hook/overhand right back to his chin between his hands, shoulder roll the hook and throw a right round kick to his body or inside of his right leg, lean away from the hook and catch him with a puch kick or side kick to the body (since he will be squared up to you if he is throwing the left hook and stepping forwards with the right foot), shield/check the hook while simultaneously stepping back to your left (taking away his distance), or any number of other counters.
The thing is though, that there is a difference in knowing how to do a technique or counter, and actually being able to do it. What you need is to figure out something that works with your body type and skills and then drill the crap out of it. Have someone just keep doing that combination to you and drill your counter a few thousand times (literally). You can start slower and then gradually increase speed and decrease structure (they can move around, vary their timing/rhythm) until eventually you both are going full speed and essentially doing isolated sparring. Once you can make it work under those conditions fairly consistently, try implementing it in sparring against your cousin. You may still get caught sometimes, but it won’t be the conundrum that it currently is for you.
This by the way is what you need to do for all of your techniques. Too many people want to just jump right in and spar all the time, when what they really need is to develop their skills so they have something to try to apply while sparring. And if they run into problems, the prescription is usually not more sparring, but more drilling.
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It’s not that i can’t get away when his has one hand on me. My trouble is when he gets the plum. Then any defense i try doesn’t work he has a very strong grip.
He mixes dirty boxing with wrestling clinch and i eat his punches when i am on a bad position. Then he immediatelly switches to wrestling again and i can’t escape.
It’s not that i can’t get the distance right with all my opponents, this only happens with him. He is unpredictable. He doesn’t angle all the time, he mixes thing up. But i will work a lot my footwork to become faster and better.
He does not cross his feet when he angles to his left. The angle he gets puts him on a southpaw stance immediatelly and then his throws his right hook or uppercut.
I will try what you said though.
I will drill endlesly both the way he attacks and the defense to it so i can understand it better and also add it to my arsenal because its really awesome.
Thanks a lot for your advice Sentoguy![/quote]
What types of defenses to the plum are you attempting? Is he just standing there holding you and blasting you with knees or is he steering you around? What are you doing with your body while you are in the plum (where is your head, hips, arms/hands)?
When I say that he is “crossing his feet” this does not necessarily mean that one foot is crossing in front of the other, but that in the act of switching stances he is momentarily in a state of lack of an effective drive leg/has no real structure to push off the ground with. We classify this as a type of crossing one’s feet, due to the lack of balance and structure, but I can see how you may not have understood what I meant. So my apologies on not being clear.
Working on your footwork is always a good investment. In addition though I would also try to really work on learning how to turn your opponent, bump them off balance (you can’t always move a bigger opponent, but you can often put them on their heels momentarily or make them stumble), and really study your cousin’s movements.
Ask your coaches if they can film some of your sparring sessions with your cousin, or ask if you can film him sparring with other members of your school, then watch and re watch the films trying to see the subtle telegraphs, bad habits, pauses, or lapses in your cousin’s offense, defense, or balance. While you are standing in front of him you may not be able to pick up on them (especially if you are intimidated and he is unorthodox), but if you can watch him from a third person’s perspective you may be able to see them more clearly. Then the next time you spar with him (which again, I would seriously drill your defenses to his techniques a lot before doing if you can) try to exploit those holes or recognize the telegraphs so you can react to his tactics earlier in their start up, which should help to improve your ability to effectively deal with them.
[quote]P0SEID0N wrote:
cycobushmaster: Thanks for your reply man.
What do you mean balance? Should i start working with sandbangs and stuff like that? How do i train for that?
stevekweli: hahahahahaha
yeah man maybe he is the god of war
idaho: What kind of job do you do? It seems awesome!
I believe i already have a combat mentality but i will try to improve it, thanks for the advice brother!
Robert A: I can’t figure out how to take out his best techniques but from now on, i will be working my conditioning and footwork a lot so as to be able to escape when he tries to angle or move closer. Thanks man, you gave me a nice idea!
I can land safely a push kick on him but low kicks and generally roundhouse kicks seem impossible. He is either counter kicking the high kicks or taking the low kicks and throwing his own boxing combos. The coach says never to throw a middle kick in mma so i haven’t tried it yet.
Maybe i will try to throw it when he jabs and see what happens…
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i guess i don’t know specifically how to train balance, or how much body style plays into it…
i’m a pretty big guy, but i have flexible hips, which makes it hard for people to single leg me. BJ Penn was awesome at that, and was also known for flexability.
i also do a lot of “guerilla drills”… shrimping, reverse shrimp, sit out, walking double legs, etc… i’m not a good grappler, but i’m good at scrambling, which is really frustrating for some of the more technical guys to deal with…
This by the way is what you need to do for all of your techniques. Too many people want to just jump right in and spar all the time, when what they really need is to develop their skills so they have something to try to apply while sparring. And if they run into problems, the prescription is usually not more sparring, but more drilling.
[/quote]
I want to quote this like 5000000 times.
this thread proving once again that for the most part
I said most
most part what happens on the Matt or Ring has little to do with what happens in the weight room
perhaps your cousin has just spent more time- finding the skills that compliement his body type and style vs spending time in the weight room /track/kitchen
the reason this gets under allot of people skin - is that they are busting there ass on the S&C side
and not as much on the skill side.
Its a hell of allot easier to get faster stronger leaner etc
then it is to get better at your sport.
that all being said-
find ways to break movement patterns- and make new ones.
does it mean you need more foot work different reactions to shots-
and counter shots?
do you need to practice set ups for your take downs
clinch , pummeling and head pummeling
in a straight up boxing match you can clinch
in a straight up grappling match you can stalk and stall
these force people out of their own prefered movements
Im not talking about ’ fighting my game crap’
just basic ways to take away people tools
not exciting but it scores and wins
find ways to get new ( read ) better movement patterns
to break their rythyms (your cousin or anyone for that matters) strengths
best way to do that is to drill
neutralizing someone strengths
[/quote]
You are right at everything you say brother!
The thing is i just can’t understand how he is better and stronger than me with only 3 years of training. I am wrestling and boxing since i was a little kid and have more fights than him and yet he is so much better. He outwrestles and outboxes me like its nothing using his speed and strength more than he seems to be using his technique.
And i now understand what everyone is saying about the weight room. It can be a good addition to your training and fighting ability to be strong but its not that much important as mostle people think it is.
Then the question is how do you get the kind of strength he has? Usable strength-fighting strength…Is there a way to train for it?
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It’s not that strength and speed aren’t important, anyone who tells you superior athleticism isn’t an advantage is trying to sell you something or in denial. It’s that weight room strength doesn’t always transfer to mat/ring strength. You have guys who are strong both places, those that are strong on the mat but not in the weight room, and those that are strong in the weight room but not on the mat. In other words, one doesn’t necessarily coorelate with the other.
Also, most likely you are right that your cousin is just using his superior strength and speed to beat you and not technique, and the truth is that you may never be able to match him in that regard no matter how hard or long you train to. Some of us are just blessed with greater potential for strength and speed than others. Therefore your only real chance to surpass him is to continue to develop and refine your timing, judgement, deception, set-ups, and other technical components that you can continue to improve on and at least have a chance of surpassing him in. That is why we have all been urging you to focus on your technique and not on the weight room numbers.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
It’s not that strength and speed aren’t important, anyone who tells you superior athleticism isn’t an advantage is trying to sell you something or in denial. It’s that weight room strength doesn’t always transfer to mat/ring strength. You have guys who are strong both places, those that are strong on the mat but not in the weight room, and those that are strong in the weight room but not on the mat. In other words, one doesn’t necessarily coorelate with the other.
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Absolutely.
I would add that often times “technique” or just having something done to you at the right/wrong time makes it feel like an irresistible force. I think a big part of mat strength is where/how to apply strength, not just having more horsepower. Another factor is that a lot of grappling involves almost isometric strength (gripping, “squeezing” chokes, pulling on limbs to put on a submission). After a point that becomes a bit more specialized and there is less cross over between “how hard can you work this almost immovable object” and “how much weight can you use over this big range of motion.”
He has a favorite move he does all the time. Everyone knows he will do it but no one can seem stop it. He uses his left hook to go into a southpaw stance and angle on my right side then when i try to turn to face him he throws a right hook/uppercut and a variation of roundhouse depending on where i am open.
Almost every time he knocks me down even though he is not going full power.
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Does he fight southpaw as easily as he fights orthodox? If he’s a completely ambidextrous fighter i could see that causing a lot of problems for you. Have you tried switching your stance when he does?
It sounds like he’s just a smart tactical fighter and he’d have to also be very efficient at not wasting energy because he should be exhausted if he’s as fat and weak as you say
Sentoguy i have tried many things, traping with my shoulders and breaking it, forcing my elbow at his elbow crook to break the grip, tried to get bodylock and pushing his head/nose/chin but even that didn’t work. He is just too strong in that position. The only thing i can do now is putting my forearm over his arms and my head on it so he can’t pull me down and knee my head. I eat all his knees to the body though. There are times that he steeres my body and there are times he is staying still.
Yestarday we sparred again but i didn’t let him get the plum on me i was always moving away after i striked or after he tried something.
It was a very boring fight. I like being aggresive and having action a lot and yestarday i was doing exactly the opposite thing. I didn’t get beaten but i also did not enjoy fighting.
Maybe i will quit from wanting to fight at heavyweight and fight at middleweight because i am starting to realise i will never beat him if i go that way…
Facepalm_Death: yeah he fights both southpaw and orthodox but he mostly uses one stance and changes to the other when he angles or is exchanging strikes to get an advantage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------One last question guys and i won’t tire you out with this subject again. Is there a way to train for mat strength?
Robert A, from what you said i understood you were talking about isometric strength, right?
So would isometric strength on the pulling muscles and grip strength would be the key to having mat strength? And training explosively the pushing muscles the key to knockout power?
Yestarday we sparred again but i didn’t let him get the plum on me i was always moving away after i striked or after he tried something.
It was a very boring fight. I like being aggresive and having action a lot and yestarday i was doing exactly the opposite thing. I didn’t get beaten but i also did not enjoy fighting.
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Setting him up to have to choose between a boring loss or to give in to frustration and attack you in a way that benefits you is a valid strategy.
I know it is more fun to run someone over, but from this thread your options are get aggressive and wind up with the short end often, or be more measured and do well.
Is getting rag dolled more fun?
Not really, or we would know it by now. Isometrics have been in vogue at several points and if suddenly wrestlers, judoka, ect. were getting a shit ton of benefit from them someone would have noticed and isometric holds/squeezing/ect. would be the de facto standard for grappling.
This is where you might want to re-read the comments from rundymc about what is most important.
Clinch drills and focused “sparring” (say a few rounds where you are trying for specific positions/grips only and reset when successful or at “failure”) usually get categorized as technique work, but they are also building strength and specific conditioning. When trying to dig underhooks or fight into, out of, or to use a tie clinch you will be using a lot of muscular strength so Sentoguy’s advice on drilling has a lot of “specialty” strength and conditioning built into it.
[quote]And training explosively the pushing muscles the key to knockout power?
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Again, I kind of doubt it. It seems great on paper, but we need to remember things about the various “classifications of stength” and not think we just discovered something no one else has before.
It is old news that when talking about quick/dynamic/explosive strength the degree of load matters a hell of a lot. It was old news when Supertraining was first published.
If we think about striking it is an “unweighted” movement (no added mass/weight from an implement, not saying that gravity is negligible) for the most part. Even a sweat soaked boxing glove with tape and gauze isn’t going to weigh much more than a pound (feels like a brick when you are tired though). The lab coat guys seem set that at non basic levels unweighted movements are improved by specific training rather than using heavy or even “explosive” weight training. So, practice needs to be more focused.
Effective hitting is most improved by practicing it. Accuracy, timing, creating opportunities, ect. are all going to have as much or more to do with you putting someone on queer street than the rate at which a given muscle contracts. So technique.
I am also going to point out that a hell of a lot of very devastating fighters weren’t what we might term “explosive” in their movements. A big part of hitting is not pissing away the energy you create by buckling/yielding at impact. Sentoguy had some posts about his instructors hitting like mules bare handed and how he thinks a big part of it has to do with how “solid” they are able to make their fists. Essentially they make all the force go into the poor bastard they are hitting.
Two examples of not really “explosive” but absolutely hard punchers are George Foreman and Ernie Shavers. They don’t look mind boggling fast/explosive, but it is obvious that ALL of the energy winds up in the guy they are hitting.
Young Foreman doing Bag work
HL
Foreman’s KO of Moore for the belt. Well after he was slowing down. KO at 2:13 or so.
Ernie Shavers, the man Ali said could “Punch you in the neck and break your ankle.”
Perhaps the hardest right hand of the modern era.
Obviously there are other opinions about this stuff as well, and I am not claiming to be an expert.
[quote]P0SEID0N wrote:
Sentoguy i have tried many things, traping with my shoulders and breaking it, forcing my elbow at his elbow crook to break the grip, tried to get bodylock and pushing his head/nose/chin but even that didn’t work. He is just too strong in that position. The only thing i can do now is putting my forearm over his arms and my head on it so he can’t pull me down and knee my head. I eat all his knees to the body though. There are times that he steeres my body and there are times he is staying still.
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To be honest none of those would be techniques that I would expect to get you out of a plum clinch against a strong opponent and none of them are among the basic plum clinch breakers that we teach our beginners.
The first thing I would suggest you do if he does get you into a plum clinch is to realize that one of the safest and best ways to prevent him from pulling down your head is to put your forehead on his chest (preferrably right under his chin, but that’s going to depend on your relative heights) and get your hips under you. In this position it will be nearly impossible for him to pull your head down to knee it and/or really crank on your neck, especially if you learn to blend with his footwork/movement. It’s also much harder to steer someone from this position.
Next realize that your body is still open to knees, but you should also now to in a much better punching/upper body striking position. You can forearm block his incoming knees from here, and if it’s a choice between eating a couple and doing so I would (especially if you know how to hit the nerves in his thighs with your elbows while doing so), but even better is to post on his hips hard (like a double palm smash hard), which will completely shut down his knees, put him out of a good position to even throw knees, and not feel great either (aim for the iliac crests or even better yet try to hit the hip bones and the femoral artery/nerve on either side of the hips).
From here you have several good options:
-throw a hard left hook to his liver (right side of body), if he is still holding on follow that with a left hook/overhand left to his jaw/ear and drive through till you can grab the back of his left shoulder (you should have turned his head to his left) with your left hand. If he has not let go yet use the leverage of your hand on his left shoulder to “shuck” (if you have been wrestling for as long as you have then you must know how to shoulder “shuck”) his right arm off your neck, follow with a straight right hand or make distance and continue the fight from there
-throw the left hook to the liver followed by an overhand right/right hook to the jaw/ear and again look to follow through, turn his chin/head and get a hold of his right shoulder with your right hand, now pummel your left hand in to a collar tie and then pummel your right arm in so you wind up with a plum clinch and start blasting his with knees and elbows
-if it’s MMA sparring you could also do a double arm post and shoot a high crotch (since you said you like wrestling), but instead of looking to come up the middle and change to a double/run the pipe/etc… expect him to sprawl and go around behind him. Then take his back and either break him down or blast the back of his legs with knees if he stands up
Hopefully that works (check out the first high crotch finish if it does), I hate not being able to get onto the regular youtube site on my phone so I can copy and paste/embed the correct URL.
There are a bunch of other plum clinch breakers that work that we teach, but some of them aren’t going to be permitted in sportive competitions, so try these first and see of they give you any more success.
Yestarday we sparred again but i didn’t let him get the plum on me i was always moving away after i striked or after he tried something.
First you need to learn how to survive, and take away what he is good at, then you can start really developing your skills to be able to effectively counter him or to beat him where your new strategy finds you.
Sure, you can, but again that doesn’t mean that everyone has the same genetic ceiling.
Doing fighting specific drilling, like Robert mentioned will develop the muscles needed to execute your techniques with the more efficiency, proficiency, and consistency. There really is nothing like specificity for developing sport/activity specific skill and conditioning.
Partner resisted drills are also great for developing grappling/mat strength and conditioning, but again this is more General Physical Preparedness and won’t necessarily improve technique (although sometimes the line between this and drilling can get fuzzy in which case it may).
Finally, IME conditioning that builds general athleticism and joint health to a high degree like gymnastics training, or strongman/dinosaur training will build better mat strength than traditional weight training. Not saying that traditional lifting is bad or can’t help, but it’s usually much less dynamic and challenging from a total athletic standpoint and IME doesn’t usually translate as well.
In regards to punching power, that’s a tough and often touchy subject. I know some big benchers who when they learn to punch correctly hit like trucks, and I know some guys who rarely if ever bench but do lots of explosive push-ups and handstand walking/overhead stuff who also hit like trucks. But the question is, are they good punchers because they have very strong pushing muscles, or are they just predisposed to be really hard punchers and also happen to do a lot of pushing work? In the end I don’t know.
What I do know is that learning how to correctly link your kinetic chain to punch with maximal force and how to link it for maximal speed both unquestionably help one to maximize whatever physical assets they do possess. Then correct drilling and building of attributes like timing and accuracy allow one to eventually utilize those skills in actual combat.
Personally I feel that physical conditioning is beneficial for general health, longevity, and certainly doesn’t hurt performance (if done correctly), so I do it and encourage my students to do so as well.
OP,
You have also inquired about fighter strength and conditioning. This video about the training of Lawler and Brown for their Welterweight fight this Saturday. It has some good footage of their S&C workouts. By no means should you take this as more important than your technique training, as Sento and Robert have so correctly explained.
Sentoguy and Robert A: Thanks a lot fot your advice and all your help! I understand now that technique is above everything else. Mat strength and knockout power maybe is something that nature gives us so all i can do is continue improving my technique and getting stronger and hope it works out that way.
Thanks again guys, I will try your advice and see how it works!
[quote]idaho wrote:
“He is a real pussy in the weight room, very weak. Although he has a badass mentality. He just seems to turn into a beast when he fights”
I am glad you cleared that statement up in a later post. If he whips your ass and according to your statement, whips your MT instructor’s ass, then the word “pussy” doesnt apply. I hope you realize that walking into a sterile gym and picking up a heavy weight is not the definition of a “badass”. I work with, and train men, who could not bench press 1.5.x their weight, but they can kill you quicker than a cat can lick its ass.
Develop a combat mentality, a never quit and survive at all costs drive and that will force you to acheive your goals. Read Sento’s and Donny’s comments several times, they know what they are doing. Good Luck. [/quote]
