Getting a Physique Like Eugen Sandow

Training
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[quote]Joseph Sandow wrote:

yep thats one version of the beginner workout,there’s also a 12 exercise version which I am going to use which is done every other day : example monday,wendesday,friday,sunday,tuesday,thursday,saturday.

Thanks for the luck,but rember they did build muscle with those old school programs =)[/quote]

That is true, and no one will argue that point, but it may not be the optimal way for “you” to build the physique you want. If you look at the top competitors in any strength related sport or physique competition, none of them follow the exact same workouts. Most have found what works best for them and none that I have ever seen followed the exact same workout three times or more a week.

I’m not saying you won’t build muscle on that program, but I would be more inclined to look at natural bodybuilders of more recent decades and their training methods if physique goals were my primary motivation.

Again, I say if you want to give it a try, go for it. Just be realistic and open minded so that in six months you aren’t where you want to be you try something else.

There is no one size fits all training program that works for everyone accross the board. Getting your physique to advanced levels requires trial and error and learning what works for you.

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Hmmmm well now I’m confused:

OP - Did you come to this Beginners Forum to ask for advice or to simply announce (and defend) your particular goal??

You’ve been given PLENTY of solid advice from people who have already helped others surpass your particular goal - in other words, EXACTLY the type of advice you’re looking for - and yet that only appears to make you more defensive, more adamant in following some idealized program from some 50+ yrs ago.

Good luck with all that, seriously, but if you haven’t reached this goal in 2-3 years tops, you’ve got no one to blame but yourself.

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[quote]chillain wrote:
Hmmmm well now I’m confused:

OP - Did you come to this Beginners Forum to ask for advice or to simply announce (and defend) your particular goal??

You’ve been given PLENTY of solid advice from people who have already helped others surpass your particular goal - in other words, EXACTLY the type of advice you’re looking for - and yet that only appears to make you more defensive, more adamant in following some idealized program from some 50+ yrs ago.

Good luck with all that, seriously, but if you haven’t reached this goal in 2-3 years tops, you’ve got no one to blame but yourself.
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I didn’t mean to come across as defensive,(but then it doesn’t help when you have an idiot cousin over trying to talk you into going back to partying and drinking after 1 full year away from it…that can get you kinda aggrivated).

I used the old Milo Course,and have to admit the old guys that used it where “tough-old birds”,0_0
It wasn’t just training it was torture =)

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[quote]Joseph Sandow wrote:

I didn’t mean to come across as defensive,(but then it doesn’t help when you have an idiot cousin over trying to talk you into going back to partying and drinking after 1 full year away from it…that can get you kinda aggrivated).

[/quote]

LOLWUT

I just read through this whole thread, and after I read this comment, in conjunction with how obstinate and strange you’ve been, I assumed you were 23 at the oldest. YOU’RE 39???

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[quote]ryno76 wrote:

[quote]caveman101 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I mean, seriously, if Sandow is a truly high reaching goal for you in 2012, it makes me wonder if you really understand the absolute basics as far as training…or if you are a regular trainer at all.

Even with average genetics, I would think most healthy guys could get to that size and bigger within 1-3 years.[/quote]

300lb 1 hand db clean and press?

poor choice of emulation to be sure[/quote]

I’m not saying that Sandow never accomplished some of the amazing feats that are reported about him, but you do realize that lying, con artists, exaggeration, and showmanship have been around for thousands of years.

Just because a claim is old, doesn’t mean it’s true. As far as Sandow’s physique goes I found the following measurements through Google:

Name: Eugene Sandow

Birth Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Mueller

Date of Birth: April 25th, 1867

Place of Birth: Konigsberg, capital of East Prussia.

Height: 5’9 1/4"

Weight: 202 lbs.

Neck: 18"

Chest: 48"

Biceps: 19 1/2"

Forearms: 16 1/2"

Wrists: 7 1/2"

Waist: 30"

Hips: 42"

Quads: 26"

Knee: 14"

Calves: 18"

Ankle: 8 1/2"

I have no idea of the accuracy, but these stats are not unattainable if you put serious work into it. While it might be a decent goal, why not just use current proven methods and just see how far you can take your physique. [/quote]

I’m sorry but I do not think those measurements are very attainable for most people lol

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[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]ryno76 wrote:

[quote]caveman101 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I mean, seriously, if Sandow is a truly high reaching goal for you in 2012, it makes me wonder if you really understand the absolute basics as far as training…or if you are a regular trainer at all.

Even with average genetics, I would think most healthy guys could get to that size and bigger within 1-3 years.[/quote]

300lb 1 hand db clean and press?

poor choice of emulation to be sure[/quote]

I’m not saying that Sandow never accomplished some of the amazing feats that are reported about him, but you do realize that lying, con artists, exaggeration, and showmanship have been around for thousands of years.

Just because a claim is old, doesn’t mean it’s true. As far as Sandow’s physique goes I found the following measurements through Google:

Name: Eugene Sandow

Birth Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Mueller

Date of Birth: April 25th, 1867

Place of Birth: Konigsberg, capital of East Prussia.

Height: 5’9 1/4"

Weight: 202 lbs.

Neck: 18"

Chest: 48"

Biceps: 19 1/2"

Forearms: 16 1/2"

Wrists: 7 1/2"

Waist: 30"

Hips: 42"

Quads: 26"

Knee: 14"

Calves: 18"

Ankle: 8 1/2"

I have no idea of the accuracy, but these stats are not unattainable if you put serious work into it. While it might be a decent goal, why not just use current proven methods and just see how far you can take your physique. [/quote]

I’m sorry but I do not think those measurements are very attainable for most people lol[/quote]

Those where his stage measurements he would claim during his act!

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Joseph Sandow wrote:

I didn’t mean to come across as defensive,(but then it doesn’t help when you have an idiot cousin over trying to talk you into going back to partying and drinking after 1 full year away from it…that can get you kinda aggrivated).

[/quote]

LOLWUT

I just read through this whole thread, and after I read this comment, in conjunction with how obstinate and strange you’ve been, I assumed you were 23 at the oldest. YOU’RE 39???[/quote]

Hmm because someone has diffrent training goals that makes them strange???

LOL!!To qoute my 6 year old neice “shame shame you shouldn’t pick on people just cause they are diffrent.”

it’s funny when she says it but it’s smart too!

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[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

I’m sorry but I do not think those measurements are very attainable for most people lol[/quote]

I just glanced over the measurements. I was more looking at Sandow’s height/weight. I don’t believe the arm measurements for a second as his arms don’t look anywhere near 19 1/2" nor do his forearms look as big as claimed.

The rest of the measurements are not nearly as ridiculous as the arms. I guess that my overall point, which I didn’t convey very well, was that if the OP puts serious effort in kitchen and the gym (preferrably with more modern methods) he could make great improvements in his physique.

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[quote]Joseph Sandow wrote:

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]ryno76 wrote:

[quote]caveman101 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I mean, seriously, if Sandow is a truly high reaching goal for you in 2012, it makes me wonder if you really understand the absolute basics as far as training…or if you are a regular trainer at all.

Even with average genetics, I would think most healthy guys could get to that size and bigger within 1-3 years.[/quote]

300lb 1 hand db clean and press?

poor choice of emulation to be sure[/quote]

I’m not saying that Sandow never accomplished some of the amazing feats that are reported about him, but you do realize that lying, con artists, exaggeration, and showmanship have been around for thousands of years.

Just because a claim is old, doesn’t mean it’s true. As far as Sandow’s physique goes I found the following measurements through Google:

Name: Eugene Sandow

Birth Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Mueller

Date of Birth: April 25th, 1867

Place of Birth: Konigsberg, capital of East Prussia.

Height: 5’9 1/4"

Weight: 202 lbs.

Neck: 18"

Chest: 48"

Biceps: 19 1/2"

Forearms: 16 1/2"

Wrists: 7 1/2"

Waist: 30"

Hips: 42"

Quads: 26"

Knee: 14"

Calves: 18"

Ankle: 8 1/2"

I have no idea of the accuracy, but these stats are not unattainable if you put serious work into it. While it might be a decent goal, why not just use current proven methods and just see how far you can take your physique. [/quote]

I’m sorry but I do not think those measurements are very attainable for most people lol[/quote]

Those where his stage measurements he would claim during his act![/quote]

Kay?

I’m not really a massive Sandow fan like you, I was responding more to the suggestion that those stats are attainable with hard work alone. Obviously one or even some of them can be attained that way, but collectively that is a pretty ridiculous package- 19.5 inch lean arms are pretty insane @ 5’9"/202 lbs/30" waist. IMO that’s getting into the genetically-gifted category.

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Your reply came through while I was typing the one above. I was saying that I doubt the 19 1/2" claim.

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[quote]ryno76 wrote:

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

I’m sorry but I do not think those measurements are very attainable for most people lol[/quote]

I just glanced over the measurements. I was more looking at Sandow’s height/weight. I don’t believe the arm measurements for a second as his arms don’t look anywhere near 19 1/2" nor do his forearms look as big as claimed.

The rest of the measurements are not nearly as ridiculous as the arms.
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Haha ok that makes sense then. If the arms/forearms were more reasonable then those stats would be a hell of a lot more believable for Sandow and regular human beings.

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[quote]ryno76 wrote:
Your reply came through while I was typing the one above. I was saying that I doubt the 19 1/2" in claim.[/quote]

According to Mr.Alan Calvert in his book The Truth About Weight Lifting
Mr.Sandows actual weight was 180 pounds,his normal chest was 44 inches,his chest expanded was 47 inches,upper arm 16 3/4 inches,thigh 24 inches.

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Yeah, I didn’t pay close enough attention when I posted the stats. Looking at his pictures, his biceps don’t look bigger than his neck or calves. The 16 3/4" is a lot more believable.

Anyway, that’s what I get for not proof reading, LOL.

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[quote]ryno76 wrote:
Yeah, I didn’t pay close enough attention when I posted the stats. Looking at his pictures, his biceps don’t look bigger than his neck or calves. The 16 3/4" is a lot more believable.

Anyway, that’s what I get for not proof reading, LOL.[/quote]

LOl Dude don’t worry i have done that myself before :slight_smile:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is a tad misled. To look like Sandow, you would need the genetics and proportions of Sandow.

Unless you are his twin, learn how to build muscle and figure out how to make your own body proportionate.

I mean, seriously, if Sandow is a truly high reaching goal for you in 2012, it makes me wonder if you really understand the absolute basics as far as training…or if you are a regular trainer at all.

Even with average genetics, I would think most healthy guys could get to that size and bigger within 1-3 years.[/quote]

If he IS his twin, he’s 145 years old! Way to go old man.

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[quote]Joseph Sandow wrote:

[quote]ryno76 wrote:

[quote]caveman101 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I mean, seriously, if Sandow is a truly high reaching goal for you in 2012, it makes me wonder if you really understand the absolute basics as far as training…or if you are a regular trainer at all.

Even with average genetics, I would think most healthy guys could get to that size and bigger within 1-3 years.[/quote]

300lb 1 hand db clean and press?

poor choice of emulation to be sure[/quote]

I’m not saying that Sandow never accomplished some of the amazing feats that are reported about him, but you do realize that lying, con artists, exaggeration, and showmanship have been around for thousands of years.

Just because a claim is old, doesn’t mean it’s true. As far as Sandow’s physique goes I found the following measurements through Google:

Name: Eugene Sandow

Birth Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Mueller

Date of Birth: April 25th, 1867

Place of Birth: Konigsberg, capital of East Prussia.

Height: 5’9 1/4"

Weight: 202 lbs.

Neck: 18"

Chest: 48"

Biceps: 19 1/2"

Forearms: 16 1/2"

Wrists: 7 1/2"

Waist: 30"

Hips: 42"

Quads: 26"

Knee: 14"

Calves: 18"

Ankle: 8 1/2"

I have no idea of the accuracy, but these stats are not unattainable if you put serious work into it. While it might be a decent goal, why not just use current proven methods and just see how far you can take your physique. [/quote]

Those are his stage measurments, was doing so mreading last night and he never weighed more then 180 pounds.[/quote]

If those are his measurements then he failed to keep to the ‘Grecian Ideal’ where neck, bicep & calf measurements were supposed to be equal.

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[quote]Boffin wrote:

[quote]Joseph Sandow wrote:

[quote]ryno76 wrote:

[quote]caveman101 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I mean, seriously, if Sandow is a truly high reaching goal for you in 2012, it makes me wonder if you really understand the absolute basics as far as training…or if you are a regular trainer at all.

Even with average genetics, I would think most healthy guys could get to that size and bigger within 1-3 years.[/quote]

300lb 1 hand db clean and press?

poor choice of emulation to be sure[/quote]

I’m not saying that Sandow never accomplished some of the amazing feats that are reported about him, but you do realize that lying, con artists, exaggeration, and showmanship have been around for thousands of years.

Just because a claim is old, doesn’t mean it’s true. As far as Sandow’s physique goes I found the following measurements through Google:

Name: Eugene Sandow

Birth Name: Friedrich Wilhelm Mueller

Date of Birth: April 25th, 1867

Place of Birth: Konigsberg, capital of East Prussia.

Height: 5’9 1/4"

Weight: 202 lbs.

Neck: 18"

Chest: 48"

Biceps: 19 1/2"

Forearms: 16 1/2"

Wrists: 7 1/2"

Waist: 30"

Hips: 42"

Quads: 26"

Knee: 14"

Calves: 18"

Ankle: 8 1/2"

I have no idea of the accuracy, but these stats are not unattainable if you put serious work into it. While it might be a decent goal, why not just use current proven methods and just see how far you can take your physique. [/quote]

Those are his stage measurments, was doing so mreading last night and he never weighed more then 180 pounds.[/quote]

If those are his measurements then he failed to keep to the ‘Grecian Ideal’ where neck, bicep & calf measurements were supposed to be equal.
[/quote]
Those are his stage measurments for his act not his actual measurements

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[quote]Boffin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is a tad misled. To look like Sandow, you would need the genetics and proportions of Sandow.

Unless you are his twin, learn how to build muscle and figure out how to make your own body proportionate.

I mean, seriously, if Sandow is a truly high reaching goal for you in 2012, it makes me wonder if you really understand the absolute basics as far as training…or if you are a regular trainer at all.

Even with average genetics, I would think most healthy guys could get to that size and bigger within 1-3 years.[/quote]

If he IS his twin, he’s 145 years old! Way to go old man.
[/quote]

Why thank you ,thank you I have aged well if i do say do myself.LOL

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Cool goals!

I wish you good luck.

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[quote]florelius wrote:
Cool goals!

I wish you good luck.

[/quote]

Thanks =)