Good input roy. I checked it out. Thats one reason why im kinda iffy on doing it. You guys think i should take a few quick pics of myself and you can tell me an opinion if i should do the GSD or do another diet…
[quote]Mike T. wrote:
You guys are great help. Im going to try what you did J, about the 100 extra on workout days and 100 less on non. On JB’s sample diet he list 2 pieces lean turkey bacon, it might just be me, but is this just like regular bacon except turkey? And could i substitue that in with some other meat? He also has 6 oz extra lean beef. Could i use 6oz of chicken one day and steak another, or would it have to be less or more oz.
I know these are alot of questions, but i really appreciate it, and its very precise. You guys are very dedicated. I hope i can stick with it. I also workout at 6a.m in the morning, would i just have the bcaa and creatine during workout or would i drink the powerdrive and the multi before then take the bcaa and creatine during. Thanks.[/quote]
Yes, its regular bacon but turkey, get the Oscar Meyer, its the least greasiest i beleived…u probably could change it with another meat, but id stick with it, maybe roast beef but nothing too crazy or big…take the Power Drive before the workout to help get u going and keep u focused, and throw the creatine right in their with the Power Drive…BCAA is up to u, either before or after…and yes, u could switch chicken and steak daily…sometimes i had chicken for lucnh and steak for dinner! on ur lifting days have an extra whole egg and a slice of cheese with lunch or something…and remember, that diet on that site is for a 170lb guy, so you have to add some more food to it!! dont forget that, if u at 200lbs i think u said, follows that for a 170lb guy, u will kill urself i assure u haha…so u can go with a bigger piece of chicken and steak…and maybe 3 eggs for breakfast and stuff…just dont go overboard…make sure u get XL eggs too…and dont worry about the questions, keep em coming bro…i wish i had someone to ask when i was doin it! so i know where ur at, its all good…gotta help my fellow bros in the iron life!
[quote]Mike T. wrote:
Good input roy. I checked it out. Thats one reason why im kinda iffy on doing it. You guys think i should take a few quick pics of myself and you can tell me an opinion if i should do the GSD or do another diet…[/quote]
There’s no problem with you doing this diet. If you need to lose some fat, go for it. Just don’t go from ZERO cardio and 4000cals a day to BWx10 and tons of cardio.
Ease in. Take a few weeks to clean up the diet, kick out all of the sugars, and make sure your fats are all healthy sources(from meat).
On a side note, I’m an avid peanut and kashew fan, but apparently Charles Poliquin advises against consuming nuts while dieting, so I’m taking that into consideration and only consuming meat fats, fish oil caps, and CLA while dieting.
Ok Guys, I guess I’ll jump in this thread. I began the GSD on Feb 11th, just about a week in. I’ll start with some background info:
5’10" 203 lbs. approx. 15-17% BF
been training on and off for 10 years. Consistently now for the last 5 months.
I started OVT on Jan 29th and was doing a low carb diet along with it, but taking pre/post workout carbs in the form of dextrose which I cut out for this diet. I started Jan29th at 211.5 lbs, and I’m 203 lbs today.
I think IronWarrior’s input has been helpful, and instead of PMing him, I’ll post questions here for all to benefit.
I skipped my pre-bed meal yesterday. I think I slept a little better. I work night shift; 9pm - 9am. My last meal is right before I hit the sack. I’m tired, but it seems like eating kinda gives me a second wind and it takes me longer to fall asleep. I don’t get good sleep anyway, cause there’s way too much noise around here. (BTW, I’m in Baghdad. There are explosions and helicopters and such waking me up constantly)
My main concern with skipping that meal, and the whole diet in general is losing LBM. By cutting that last meal, that drops me down to about 1600 cal. for the day. I don’t think skipping the meal really that hard for to do, cause when I get off work I just want to crash. So, should I eat it or not? Maybe skip it a couple times a week?
BTW, I’m taking 5g CM and 5g BCAA 4x a day as the diet says. Before GSD, I had adjusted my cal down from 3500 to 2800ish by cutting carbs and upping protein. I was losing some weight that way, but I wanted to put in overdrive.
Thanks Guys
Roy,
I’m interested in CP’s stance on nuts while dieting. Do you have some more detailed information. I’ve been using nuts for two meals a day to get some fat. I’m limited here in Iraq, but I have acess to nuts. I usually have a Tbsp of flax oil or Udo’s and either whole eggs, cheese, or nuts to get the difference of fat for that meal.
[quote]Roy wrote:
Mike T. wrote:
Good input roy. I checked it out. Thats one reason why im kinda iffy on doing it. You guys think i should take a few quick pics of myself and you can tell me an opinion if i should do the GSD or do another diet…
There’s no problem with you doing this diet. If you need to lose some fat, go for it. Just don’t go from ZERO cardio and 4000cals a day to BWx10 and tons of cardio.
Ease in. Take a few weeks to clean up the diet, kick out all of the sugars, and make sure your fats are all healthy sources(from meat).
On a side note, I’m an avid peanut and kashew fan, but apparently Charles Poliquin advises against consuming nuts while dieting, so I’m taking that into consideration and only consuming meat fats, fish oil caps, and CLA while dieting.[/quote]
Yeah. I would be eating clean at maintenance level or a very SLIGHT caloric deficit for a little while before starting this. Roy’s right about not going straight from a bulk where you’re not eating that clean to something this rigoruous. If I remember correctly, I was eating 500-700 calories more that my GSD levels with more protein, fruits and grains, and PWO Surge for a couple weeks before doing this. At the same time, I don’t think the diet before the GSD component should be strict. Just drop the calories and clean it up some.
Good advice. I use it all. I like how this has all turned out. We could make this an offical GSD question thread. Its helped me out a million. Ill take about a week to drop my calories a bit and clean it up some before i jump in. I think that could help me drop more body fat.
I posted my pics in another thread.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1457627
You guys think the GSD is right for me? i have excess bf in the abdominal area and some other spots.
[quote]whosyobobby wrote:
Ok Guys, I guess I’ll jump in this thread. I began the GSD on Feb 11th, just about a week in. I’ll start with some background info:
5’10" 203 lbs. approx. 15-17% BF
been training on and off for 10 years. Consistently now for the last 5 months.
I started OVT on Jan 29th and was doing a low carb diet along with it, but taking pre/post workout carbs in the form of dextrose which I cut out for this diet. I started Jan29th at 211.5 lbs, and I’m 203 lbs today.
I think IronWarrior’s input has been helpful, and instead of PMing him, I’ll post questions here for all to benefit.
I skipped my pre-bed meal yesterday. I think I slept a little better. I work night shift; 9pm - 9am. My last meal is right before I hit the sack. I’m tired, but it seems like eating kinda gives me a second wind and it takes me longer to fall asleep. I don’t get good sleep anyway, cause there’s way too much noise around here. (BTW, I’m in Baghdad. There are explosions and helicopters and such waking me up constantly)
My main concern with skipping that meal, and the whole diet in general is losing LBM. By cutting that last meal, that drops me down to about 1600 cal. for the day. I don’t think skipping the meal really that hard for to do, cause when I get off work I just want to crash. So, should I eat it or not? Maybe skip it a couple times a week?
BTW, I’m taking 5g CM and 5g BCAA 4x a day as the diet says. Before GSD, I had adjusted my cal down from 3500 to 2800ish by cutting carbs and upping protein. I was losing some weight that way, but I wanted to put in overdrive.
Thanks Guys[/quote]
Yes, do it a few times a week, the less calories ur taking it, the more weight u will cut and quicker…this isnt a diet thats guarenteeing u to keep ur LBM, but i know when i did it, i really dont beleive i lost much, if not any at all, it was definitley all body fat and it was great…i usually ate my pre-bed meal all the time, unlessi felt like i didnt need it OR i felt like i could skip it…maybe 3 times a week id skip it…i also worked out late at night, so id eat dinner later, so sometimes id be able to hold off that pre bed meal…are you taking ZMA?? it may help with sleep, i dont know if its going block out bombs going off and what not, but it may help haha…r u in the Marines? If you are, just wanted to say thanks for being over there for us…if not, than why r u there?? good luck bro, you can PM anytime u want with any other questions or post em, its up to u
Hey IW34, I’m over here w/ the Army. I started on ZMA a couple weeks ago. It seems to be helping somewhat with sleep. I’m down 5 pounds the first week. Looking good! One thing I’ve done is move my pre-bed meal back to an hour before bed, as opposed to immediately before bed, and I scaled that meal back some, to about half of the other meals.
[quote]whosyobobby wrote:
Hey IW34, I’m over here w/ the Army. I started on ZMA a couple weeks ago. It seems to be helping somewhat with sleep. I’m down 5 pounds the first week. Looking good! One thing I’ve done is move my pre-bed meal back to an hour before bed, as opposed to immediately before bed, and I scaled that meal back some, to about half of the other meals.
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ARMY - Arent Ready For Marines Yet!! Haha jk bro, thanks for being over there!! But thats great to hear ur making progress, it will continue and only get better for ya…Especially if your cutting back whenever u can…What exactly are you eating as your pre-bed meal anyway just curious? I only had two eggs prebed when i was on it and maybe a little bit of ketchup…also, some green tea is great throughout the day, not sure if your doing that or not, but green tea will definitely help burn some fat
My pre-bed meal is usually a couple ounces of tuna, a cup of raw peppers, and a TBsp of Udo’s.
My other meals are similar: about 6oz ckn, raw veggies, Flax or Udos’s, and either 2oz swiss cheese or 1/2 avocado.
BTW, I skipped my pre-bed meal again last night.
It’s funny. I met this BB over here who’s done 5 shows so far. He keeps telling me that I won’t be able to get ultra lean with fat in my diet. His precontest diet is almost no fat, very high protein and low carbs, cycling carbs; 50g,100g,150g per day and repeat.
I have faith in JB. I don’t doubt this guy’s diet works, but I also think he loses a lot of LBM during his contest diet.
Quick question on the Re-Feed days: is it an important component of the diet in terms of replenishing glycogen stores or other physical factors?
I was thinking about skipping mine. I’m just wondering if that would be ok, or is there a good reason JB put that in there. I’m not having a particularly hard time staying on the diet. If I could progress faster by skipping it, I might just consider skipping it.
This is a model thread. The OP did some research, asked intelligent questions; and people who have actually tried the diet responded with their experiences.
There was no undue theorizing by people who have never done the diet, no lame questions, etc. I wish every thread were half this good.
[quote]whosyobobby wrote:
Quick question on the Re-Feed days: is it an important component of the diet in terms of replenishing glycogen stores or other physical factors?
I was thinking about skipping mine. I’m just wondering if that would be ok, or is there a good reason JB put that in there. I’m not having a particularly hard time staying on the diet. If I could progress faster by skipping it, I might just consider skipping it.[/quote]
You can skip it, but id say its a good idea to eat a little more on the refeed day just to replenish glycogen storage…eat some brown rice, oatmeal, and other smart carbs during that day…i did it once a week and found it worked great…
i never went crazy…for example each sunday id eat a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast, than a small cup of brown rice around dinner, nothing overboard…your diet sounds very good, and keep it up, it works great!! i dropped aout 4-5% bodyfat and about 5-7lbs…my strength never gave out, in fact it stayed level and even went up a bit throughout the diet…
i know everyones body reacts differentely to types of dieting and supps, so maybe that BB u met found something that works great for him ya know?? im not taking anything away from him! whatever works for you, keep doing it…i know this diet worked for me and i will be doing it again
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
This is a model thread. The OP did some research, asked intelligent questions; and people who have actually tried the diet responded with their experiences.
There was no undue theorizing by people who have never done the diet, no lame questions, etc. I wish every thread were half this good.[/quote]
Thanks alot for the comment! Im tryin my best to keep people informed with this diet, cuz i think its great…i know its extremely difficult also so any help from people who have done it before is definitely huge…i know i wished i had some of this input before i did it!! What is the OP btw???
I believe OP is Original Poster (the thread starter).
Anyway, does anybody know why JB went with a 4 meal a day plan vs. 6? I would think six would be better for the same reasons he preaches 6-7 meals a day on a day to day diet: it keeps one’s metabolism more active and thus burns more calories.
[quote]whosyobobby wrote:
I believe OP is Original Poster (the thread starter).
Anyway, does anybody know why JB went with a 4 meal a day plan vs. 6? I would think six would be better for the same reasons he preaches 6-7 meals a day on a day to day diet: it keeps one’s metabolism more active and thus burns more calories. [/quote]
That many meals would be too many calories…your only supposed to take ur body weight times 10…with 6-7 meals u will have way too many calories and carbs and stuff…and thats just the way this diet goes, and how it works…4 meals a day…its tough, its extremely tough, but it works…follow his meal plans according to your weight and what not, and progress will come veryy quickly…if u decide to do ur own thing and stray away from his diet than ur not doin the GSD…so stick with it
Just wanted to say that I started the GSD on 2/11/07. I’m not doing as many supplements as JB recommends (he says you can do it w/out supps, but may hit a wall), I’m just doing the Creatine, BCAA’s, ZMA and I’m taking an EC stack in lieu of the HOT-ROX.
Since today is day 11, I’m down 8 lbs. I did not ease into the diet, I just said I’m going to start on 2/11 and had my supps ready for day 1. My first refeed day is this weekend and I thought about skipping it as well, but I think I will particpate, but just not go overboard and see how my body reacts.
Funny, this thread gets more hits/responses than the PN GSD thread does.
[quote]Astute wrote:
Just wanted to say that I started the GSD on 2/11/07. Since today is day 11, I’m down 8 lbs.[/quote]
You Bastard!! I started the SAME DAY as you, and I’m only down 5lbs! I guess I must be gaining some muscle as well 
HAHA Sucker!!!
It’s all good, Bro. Just having some fun so I don’t go crazy.
I mainly use the mirror and scale to track progress. I have some calipers, but I can’t seem to get a consistent pinch so I gave up. BTW, if you’ve followed this thread, you know I’m in Baghdad. There aren’t exactly any experienced personal trainers here that can measure me, at least none that I’ve come across.