[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
orion wrote:
Why would I be upset? I am a free citizen in a free country and you are an, um, American.
I have the Austrian constitution and the European Declaration of Human Rights to protect me and you have your dick to play with when push comes to shove.
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I have my gun.[/quote]
You win.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
ChuckyT wrote:
orion wrote:
Why would I be upset? I am a free citizen in a free country…
You’re welcome.
Yes, send Grandpa my best wishes!
Actually it was my uncle and he was a volunteer.
[/quote]I also had a great uncle that was a WW1 vet and volunteered to fight in WW 2.He was let out of prison to fight in WW2 after being falsely accused of a crime by some corrupt cops ,which he was later able to prove because he had a relative that had money and was willing to help.He was a paratropper that was shot up on the invasion.
Even though he fought in two world wars against the German’s and was severly wounded, I know he hated our wonderful legal system and corrupt police a hell of a lot more.For the rest of his life until he died ,he would ocassionally run into these retired corrupt cops and beat the hell out of them.
[quote]Ken Kaniff wrote:
Yes I mean the US as “we”. Wasn’t that clear in my post. IS it now? 5-10%, let me guess you were educated in the Soviet Union or France?
Um, its the truth. You know, the TRUTH. T R U T H.
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North Africa, Sicily, Italy, France, Belgium, Holland,…
Who the hell do you think propped up the Russians and the British, btw? Who provided millions of dollars of supplies, trucks, tanks, ships, and just plain cash?
Gotta call MAJOR BS on your 5-10% nonsense.
[quote]ChuckyT wrote:
orion wrote:
Plus, the very day that 2/3 of my ego stems from the geographic co-incidence of which country I was born into, I will probably kill myself.
I could not stand to feel so small to have to hide behind a flag…
Or a uniform…
If I were an Austrian, I would too. Actually, if I were an Austrian, I would emigrate.[/quote]
A famous one did. Let’s hear it for those Austrian emigrants!
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Based on the foolish reaction and attempted distractions of our esteemed German and Austrian posters I believe they are currently building crematoriums to take care of the Scientology problem.
Is that really necessary?[/quote]
It is just throwing their foolishness back in their face. Since it is impossible to have a reasonable dialogue with clowns at least I can make fun of them.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Based on the foolish reaction and attempted distractions of our esteemed German and Austrian posters I believe they are currently building crematoriums to take care of the Scientology problem.
Is that really necessary?
It is just throwing their foolishness back in their face. Since it is impossible to have a reasonable dialogue with clowns at least I can make fun of them.[/quote]
Really?
I posted one example after another what does happen in the US and not in Germany.
Your response was, that only happens to “terrorists” , which is stupid per se with the additional disadvantage of being factually wrong.
As I posted and gladly will post again JUDGE Napolitano LEGAL ADVISOR of the FOX NEWS CHANNEL, that hot bed of liberal conspiracy kooks, disagrees with you.
All you had was, well they are allready firing up the ovens for the scientology people.
Maybe you cannot distinguish between you not being able of having an adult debate and meeting someone who is, but is not programmed by US mainstream media.
PLus, if that is your idea of fun, make fun of KKK lynchings next…
Hilarious…
I have a good one…
Chinese dissidents are more likely to die because of the growing black market demand of human organs…
SNL material…
Who is the clown Zap?
[quote]orion wrote:
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I posted one example after another what does happen in the US and not in Germany.
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The topic is Germany’s persecution of a man based on his religion.
You tried to turn it into another anti-American screed. Very pathetic on your part.
While I certainly have a better sense of humor you are more likely to wear make up.
Once I saw the “film” Cocktail, I knew he was destined to be huge…
After he jumped up and down on Oprah’s couch, and dispensed advise to mothers on post partum depression, and criticized those use used anti-depressants, (before he ever had dealt with it up close in person) I lost interest in him, and his movies…
Scientology - seems like a cult for the vulnerable.
So, let’s break this down one more time:
The German Ministry of defense has signalled that they are not willing to let Valkyrie be filmed on their own premises. No one is banning him from filming in Germany, or talking about banning the work itself.
Besides the obvious question ‘When was the last time any Ministry of Defense let film crews in’, there is indeed the question of motives.
Could it be related to the fact that Stauffenberg’s son (a retired Bundeswehr officer) has been reportedly horrified and has repeatedly tried to dissuade Cruise from playing his father? Could it be that the German state indeed has something against Scientology?
Could it be that Cruise needed a publicity stunt - and Scientology needed some PR to revive its campaign connecting it to the plight of jews under the Nazi regime?
The facts are pretty clear so far: Scientology is only recognised as a business in Germany, not a religion - so it is by definition not religious discrimination.
Now it can be argued that that is not appropriate - but so far Scientology has not been able to provide sufficient legal arguments; given the fact that the organisaton is known for it’s strong legal team, I think that’s quite significant.
The organisation has been on numerous occasions been accused of being a cult and Cruise has been repeatedly (on these boards as well) lambasted for being its flag bearer.
If you understand the power of personal endorsement, I can understand the claim that the German Ministry of Defense is hesitant to support a film by Scientology’s poster boy - and thus ally themselves with an organisation they see as questionable.
As mentioned in the press, but conveniently left out in the discussion so far, Stauffenberg’s son is opposed to Cruise playing his father. He has not taken any legal steps, but has publicly stated his opposition. When Paula Waggner talks about ‘respect’, perhaps she should take that into account.
So - who is really profiting from in this situation? Besides providing much needed publicity for Cruise, it is Scientology. After their ridiculous campaign in the Nineties trying to compare the treatment of Scientologists with Jew in Nazi Germany failed, it must have been a godsend that Cruise had picked a role, right for this controversy.
Playing the nazi card on Germany is often seen as an effective means to exert public pressure - this thread gives ample examples. If you ask me, Zap et al. are being played quite nicely.
What helps with that is the quite blatant, quickly surfacing anti-Germanism here. While ‘euro-weenie’ is a staple of many of the upright US citizens who post here, who regularly get their panties in a twist over anti-Americanism, I find the nazi comparisons really hurtful and inappropriate. Funnily enough, some of the ‘sources’ used are coming from quite right-wing backgrounds.
Once again, a possibly interesting discussion - which could have been about freedom of speech, legal definitions of religion and the sense of holocaust denial legislation - has been derailed. Once again.
Makkun
Sources:
Tom Cruise Film Project Faces Resistance in Germany
Is Germany right to ban Tom Cruise’s film?
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/film/2007/06/is_germany_right_to_ban_tom_cruises_film.html
SCIENTOLOGISTS AND NAZIS
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
You tried to turn it into another anti-American screed. Very pathetic on your part.
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But an anti-Germany “screed” is ok, right? Just checking.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
You tried to turn it into another anti-American screed. Very pathetic on your part.
But an anti-Germany “screed” is ok, right? Just checking.
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This was not an anti-German screed. This was a thread to discuss why Germany would ban Tom Cruise from filming on their bases and if it was religious discrimination.
A German and Austrian moron decided to turn it into an anti-American screed by impugning America’s contribution to winning WWII and American civil rights.
Quite laughable because their countries were thoroughly trashed by the US and it’s allies in WWII and were recently amongst the worst violators of human rights in history.
I merely thew their bullshit back in their face. That kind of crap does not deserve any better.
I appreciate Makkun’s effort to discuss the actual topic of the thread and try to explain why Germany would do something that appears to be religious discrimination.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
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I posted one example after another what does happen in the US and not in Germany.
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The topic is Germany’s persecution of a man based on his religion.
You tried to turn it into another anti-American screed. Very pathetic on your part.
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No, ChuckT our local flag humping super patriot turned it into “oh these savages have still so much to learn regarding freedom” and I was more than happy to remind him that they are actually a freer people than US Americans.
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Who is the clown Zap?
While I certainly have a better sense of humor you are more likely to wear make up.[/quote]
Yes, because who`d want to see you on TV?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Based on the foolish reaction and attempted distractions of our esteemed German and Austrian posters I believe they are currently building crematoriums to take care of the Scientology problem.[/quote]
Ouch. Low-blow. And so dirty of you Zap.
Scientology:
(Videos)
Post Scriptum:
Following German news reports, the Ministry hasn’t even been asked officially yet. The whole story is so far based on the comments on a meeting and alleged promise from a MoD official to a cult expert Antje Blumenthal, published by her.
As I said - pretty much a non-issue, but quite the PR stunt. I think the effect the story has had is quite telling how ready some of us are to dust off some very ugly old stereotypes.
Post Post Scriptum:
That’s really funny - it seems that technically the building belongs to the Ministry of Finance rather than the MoD…
Makkun
Source:
Wird Cruise Berlin missionieren?
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
I don’t know. Germany alleges that Scientology is a cult that manipulates people by preying on their past and then takes their money. I tend to agree with them.[/quote]
Didn’t they say the same thing about the Jews… then decided to genocide them…
[quote]RatHunter wrote:
Didn’t they say the same thing about the Jews… then decided to genocide them…
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No. They said the Jews were greedy and controlled all the money, and thus the Economy.
Scientologists are whack jobs. Don’t compare the Scientologists to the Jews in the holocaust until you know anything about them, Scientologists that is.
Your opinion is based on other people’s opinions and not any reasonable (or even unreasonable) facts, or happenings.
Can you say “Baaaaaa! Baaaaaaa!” ?
[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
Awwww is the euroweenie upset again? Too bad. Sounds like you can level misguided criticism but can’t really discuss a subject close to home without falling behind the usual “but it’s all the Americans doing”.
Does it ever get old for your type…I mean really don’t you bore yourself sometimes?
Why would I be upset? I am a free citizen in a free country and you are an, um, American.
I have the Austrian constitution and the European Declaration of Human Rights to protect me and you have your dick to play with when push comes to shove.
Once again, what you posted was mostly hearsay and hyperbole, what I posted is undisputed fact.
Undisputed fact…seriously Orion, even for you that’s quite a stretch. Did you actually state a fact…perhaps I missed it during the self serving pandering. Propaganda is not fact. Self righteous indignation by cosmopolitan eurotrash is nothing more then gossip.
You actually haven’t stated a fact in this thread, as I am sure you know.
My my you Euroweenies certainly get upset when your called out…must be your lack of self esteem. Again too bad. But then again you are what you are. I am proud to be an American. Your opinion, to me, is meaningless. I know it’s frustrating but we really don’t take Europe seriously these days.
Yes well men like to play with their dicks. Unfortunately you will neve know the pleasure since it seems you seem to have lost your balls a long time ago.
So any opinion about Tom Cruise shooting a movie in Germany. Perhaps if he was Muslim you would lay out the red carpet? Don’t want to offend the guest workers now do we?
“Remember that Germany is a country where the government actually needs a warrant to listen to your phone calls, search your house, has to hand you a receipt of what they took from there, needs a judges warrant to look into your bank accounts and dealings with the post office, library etc, cannot listen in when you are talking to your lawyer, priest, therapist or doctor, nor can it search their offices, does not kidnap or torture people, does not put civilians in front of military tribunals…”
What of the above was not true Darling?
Cut the BS, where was I wrong?
Please, enlighten me.
Plus, the very day that 2/3 of my ego stems from the geographic co-incidence of which country I was born into, I will probably kill myself.
I could not stand to feel so small to have to hide behind a flag…
Or a uniform…
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Or the EU…
YOu would probably be samll no matter what flag you hid behind.
[quote]hedo wrote:
Or the EU…
YOu would probably be samll no matter what flag you hid behind.
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But that would be me in all my tiny, minuscule glory instead of all hat and no cattle which I perceive US super patriots to be…
There is no fundamental difference between feeling special to be born American than to be born aryan you know?
[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
"Remember that Germany does not kidnap or torture people
Hey, bicycler of the anschluss.
Since Hedo accurately described your eunuch status, I wanted to give you something else to play with.
From: http://germarrudolf.com/civil/
I. folksingers are threatened with imprisonment for singing peaceful songs;
II. a professor who writes his disbelief about certain historical events in a footnote, written in Latin(!), in a scholarly anthology(!) was prosecuted and threatened with jail, and the anthology was confiscated and burned;
III. a judge, writing a well-founded, but highly controversial book on historical topics, saw his book confiscated and burned, his pension cut, and his PhD title withdrawn as a result of this;
IV. a history teacher was sent to jail for uttering historical dissent in a private letter to a high-profile personality;
V. a professor criticizing internationalism was kicked out of his job, harassed, prosecuted and driven into suicide;
VI. a historical dissenter was sent to prison for more than two years just because he published peaceful, scholarly historical material;
well-founded, heavily footnoted books on political and historical topics, authored by academics with plenty of credentials, were and are being confiscated and burned by court order;
authors, editors, publishers, printers, wholesalers, retailers, importers and exporters, warehouses, and customers buying more than two copies of a certain medium with peaceful, yet dissenting views on history or politics can be prosecuted for producing, stocking, importing/exporting, distributing such dissident material; the authorities hide from their citizens, which media are outlawed, so that one cannot possibly know whether or not one commits a crime when distributing such media;
VII. judges are threatened with prosecution because they did not punish political and historical dissenters harshly enough
VIII. defense lawyers are prosecuted if they try to introduce evidence showing that the dissenting historical views of their clients, for which they are prosecuted, are in fact correct;
internet providers are forced by law to censor the internet by not forwarding dissenting political and historical material to their customers;
IX. the authorities are actually proud of conducting more than 10,000 criminal prosecutions every year(!) against persons for having committed peaceful “thought crimes”, or more than 100,000 persecutions of peaceful dissenters in ten years!
Oh, I’ll be waiting to hear you beg forgiveness for your stupidity.
I guess you and your pals (germany) aren’t so high minded after all.
After inflicting unimaginable violence on others, you’d think you twits would learn the dangers of fascism.
I guess not.
You SHOULD think twice before trying to lecture us.
That’s why it really isn’t much fun picking on europeans.
Your history is so incredibly rife with horror, it’s hard to take your criticism seriously.
JeffR
Your stronget argument is a holocaust denying neo nazi who calls THAT innocent folk singers?
Get a more credible source, would you.
And yes the denying of the holocaust is illegal in Germany which is wrong of course.
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bota,
Your response was just as weak and ineffectual as I had imagined.
I’ll let you in on a little secret: I wasn’t really responding to you.
However, there are many more erudite and influential euroweenies that hold your views about the U.S.
To them I apply the fist.
I want those in germany who accuse the U.S. of civil rights violations, to look no further than their own system.
The hypocrisy is clear.
Oh, by the way, if you look at his writings (easily linked by the link I sent), he’s defending Germany. He’s not denying the holocaust. Take a peek at his writings from the link I sent.
Oh, the youtube link you sent, I couldn’t watch it.
Anytime you throw klan robes and the swastika in my face, I crush the sender or switch the channel.
I admit not watching more than 3 seconds of that youtube crap you sent.
JeffR