[quote]orion wrote:
Plus, the very day that 2/3 of my ego stems from the geographic co-incidence of which country I was born into, I will probably kill myself.
I could not stand to feel so small to have to hide behind a flag…
Or a uniform…
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If I were an Austrian, I would too. Actually, if I were an Austrian, I would emigrate.
[quote]orion wrote:
Why would I be upset? I am a free citizen in a free country…
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You’re welcome.
BS. Only “Mein Kampf” and yet I`ve read it.
Dreadful book.
Of course they can. If they couldn`t, a warrant issued by a judge would hardly help, would it?
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Also, Germany (and Austria) can’t start a war not because they’re great guys, but after initiating the largest bloodbaths in the history of history, they had their countries destroyed. Then they were split up and dominated by foreign powers, to a lesser degree in the West and almost entirely in the East.
Nice try.[/quote]
See, now you begin to see the beauty an relative harmlessness of small governments.
I do not think that we are better people.
I just think that we have our governments better under control than you do, which is explainable by the sheer size your federal government has, after decades of war driven socialism.
[quote]ChuckyT wrote:
orion wrote:
Why would I be upset? I am a free citizen in a free country…
You’re welcome.[/quote]
Yes, send Grandpa my best wishes!
[quote]orion wrote:
I have the Austrian constitution and the European Declaration of Human Rights to protect me [/quote]
Which will mean what, exactly, when men with guns come to take that away? Do you think that V. Putin would hesitate for 10 seconds to sack your country if the USA said “Knock yourself out?”
[quote]and you have your dick to play with when push comes to shove.
Once again, what you posted was mostly hearsay and hyperbole, what I posted is undisputed fact.
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Actually, we have guns. When the Jorg Haiders and Adolf Hitlers make their move, we know how you will react. Not with resistance, but meek submission, even cheering!
[quote]ChuckyT wrote:
Ken Kaniff wrote:
It’s the wars they started before we demasculated them that everyone remembers. WW1&2…you may have heard about them?
“We”? You dont mean the US with “we” do you? In both world wars the american share of victory against germany is 5-10%. Of course people whos only source of education are hollywood movies dont know that, thats for certain.
That’s completely false. From numbers of troops deployed, war materiel supplied, air campaigns, AFVs deployed… That’s so stupid I can’t go on. The US didn’t equal the European contribution of the Soviets, but come on. Get serious. Read a book.
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Agreed. The Soviets did the lion’s share of the fighting against the Germans, that is a fact. But we were the Arsenal of Democracy, and a huge chunk of their tanks, jeeps, guns, etc. were made in Detroit, Springfield, and a dozen other places. Same goes for Britain.
[quote]orion wrote:
"Remember that Germany does not kidnap or torture people[/quote]
Hey, bicycler of the anschluss.
Since Hedo accurately described your eunuch status, I wanted to give you something else to play with.
From: http://germarrudolf.com/civil/
I. [quote] folksingers are threatened with imprisonment for singing peaceful songs;[/quote]
II. [quote]a professor who writes his disbelief about certain historical events in a footnote, written in Latin(!), in a scholarly anthology(!) was prosecuted and threatened with jail, and the anthology was confiscated and burned;[/quote]
III. [quote]a judge, writing a well-founded, but highly controversial book on historical topics, saw his book confiscated and burned, his pension cut, and his PhD title withdrawn as a result of this;[/quote]
IV. [quote]a history teacher was sent to jail for uttering historical dissent in a private letter to a high-profile personality;[/quote]
V. [quote] a professor criticizing internationalism was kicked out of his job, harassed, prosecuted and driven into suicide;[/quote]
VI. [quote] a historical dissenter was sent to prison for more than two years just because he published peaceful, scholarly historical material;
well-founded, heavily footnoted books on political and historical topics, authored by academics with plenty of credentials, were and are being confiscated and burned by court order;
authors, editors, publishers, printers, wholesalers, retailers, importers and exporters, warehouses, and customers buying more than two copies of a certain medium with peaceful, yet dissenting views on history or politics can be prosecuted for producing, stocking, importing/exporting, distributing such dissident material; the authorities hide from their citizens, which media are outlawed, so that one cannot possibly know whether or not one commits a crime when distributing such media;[/quote]
VII. [quote] judges are threatened with prosecution because they did not punish political and historical dissenters harshly enough [/quote]
VIII. [quote]defense lawyers are prosecuted if they try to introduce evidence showing that the dissenting historical views of their clients, for which they are prosecuted, are in fact correct;
internet providers are forced by law to censor the internet by not forwarding dissenting political and historical material to their customers;[/quote]
IX. [quote]the authorities are actually proud of conducting more than 10,000 criminal prosecutions every year(!) against persons for having committed peaceful “thought crimes”, or more than 100,000 persecutions of peaceful dissenters in ten years![/quote]
Oh, I’ll be waiting to hear you beg forgiveness for your stupidity.
I guess you and your pals (germany) aren’t so high minded after all.
After inflicting unimaginable violence on others, you’d think you twits would learn the dangers of fascism.
I guess not.
You SHOULD think twice before trying to lecture us.
That’s why it really isn’t much fun picking on europeans.
Your history is so incredibly rife with horror, it’s hard to take your criticism seriously.
JeffR
[quote]gdol wrote:
ChuckyT wrote:
Ken Kaniff wrote:
It’s the wars they started before we demasculated them that everyone remembers. WW1&2…you may have heard about them?
“We”? You dont mean the US with “we” do you? In both world wars the american share of victory against germany is 5-10%. Of course people whos only source of education are hollywood movies dont know that, thats for certain.
That’s completely false. From numbers of troops deployed, war materiel supplied, air campaigns, AFVs deployed… That’s so stupid I can’t go on. The US didn’t equal the European contribution of the Soviets, but come on. Get serious. Read a book.
Agreed. The Soviets did the lion’s share of the fighting against the Germans, that is a fact. But we were the Arsenal of Democracy, and a huge chunk of their tanks, jeeps, guns, etc. were made in Detroit, Springfield, and a dozen other places. Same goes for Britain.[/quote]
Does anyone else get tired of pseudo-intellectuals and their cyclical arguments?
Some of my least favorite errors made by sweaty, little euroweenies/hippies/fools:
Forgetting about Lend Lease.
The Civil War’s main issue WASN’T slavery.
America didn’t turn the tide of WWI (See ludendorf)
etc…
JeffR
[quote]orion wrote:
I just think that we have our governments better under control than you do, which is explainable by the sheer size your federal government has, after decades of war driven socialism.
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Hmmm… I wonder what we were doing for all those decades, why we spent all those trillions on defense. Why is the military of my country so huge, since we aren’t conquering any countries? Where were the majority of our troops stationed for the last 5 decades? Why? Who were we guarding against?
[quote]orion wrote:
You’re welcome.
Yes, send Grandpa my best wishes!
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I wouldn’t – he would be ashamed of you if he were still alive.
How about a thank you to all the US taxpayers and soldiers who kept the Soviets out of your country from 1945-1990? Is 1990 ancient history now?
[quote]orion wrote:
ChuckyT wrote:
orion wrote:
Why would I be upset? I am a free citizen in a free country…
You’re welcome.
Yes, send Grandpa my best wishes!
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Actually it was my uncle and he was a volunteer.
[quote]orion wrote:
Why would I be upset? I am a free citizen in a free country and you are an, um, American.
I have the Austrian constitution and the European Declaration of Human Rights to protect me and you have your dick to play with when push comes to shove.
…[/quote]
I have my gun.
Based on the foolish reaction and attempted distractions of our esteemed German and Austrian posters I believe they are currently building crematoriums to take care of the Scientology problem.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Based on the foolish reaction and attempted distractions of our esteemed German and Austrian posters I believe they are currently building crematoriums to take care of the Scientology problem.
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Is that really necessary?
i sure hope there is more to this story that is more valid than what is disclosed to the media, because it doesn’t make any sense for such a economic powerhouse of a country like Germany to shit their pants over a dumbass celebrity and this cult.
f
[quote]gdol wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Based on the foolish reaction and attempted distractions of our esteemed German and Austrian posters I believe they are currently building crematoriums to take care of the Scientology problem.
Is that really necessary?[/quote]
Yes, and recent.
JeffR
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Based on the foolish reaction and attempted distractions of our esteemed German and Austrian posters I believe they are currently building crematoriums to take care of the Scientology problem.
Is that really necessary?[/quote]
Disturbing too.
Zap,
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Based on the foolish reaction and attempted distractions of our esteemed German and Austrian posters I believe they are currently building crematoriums to take care of the Scientology problem.
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Zap, I like you, but that was really low.
I’ll try to address some of the more valid points in the discussion later - just wanted to tell you how off you are on this one.
Disappointed,
Makkun
[quote]ChuckyT wrote:
orion wrote:
I have the Austrian constitution and the European Declaration of Human Rights to protect me
Which will mean what, exactly, when men with guns come to take that away? Do you think that V. Putin would hesitate for 10 seconds to sack your country if the USA said “Knock yourself out?”
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Putin? That is all you got? If the US cannot occupy Iraq you think Russia would even make it that far into Europe?
With what?
[quote]
Actually, we have guns. When the Jorg Haiders and Adolf Hitlers make their move, we know how you will react. Not with resistance, but meek submission, even cheering![/quote]
That is just so stupid.
Austrians wanted to be a part of Germany, like the Sudetendeutschen, so they cheered when they finally were.
Since Wilson lead the US into the war to “make the world save for democracy” that was a-ok, wasn`t it?
[quote]JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
"Remember that Germany does not kidnap or torture people
Hey, bicycler of the anschluss.
Since Hedo accurately described your eunuch status, I wanted to give you something else to play with.
From: http://germarrudolf.com/civil/
I. folksingers are threatened with imprisonment for singing peaceful songs;
II. a professor who writes his disbelief about certain historical events in a footnote, written in Latin(!), in a scholarly anthology(!) was prosecuted and threatened with jail, and the anthology was confiscated and burned;
III. a judge, writing a well-founded, but highly controversial book on historical topics, saw his book confiscated and burned, his pension cut, and his PhD title withdrawn as a result of this;
IV. a history teacher was sent to jail for uttering historical dissent in a private letter to a high-profile personality;
V. a professor criticizing internationalism was kicked out of his job, harassed, prosecuted and driven into suicide;
VI. a historical dissenter was sent to prison for more than two years just because he published peaceful, scholarly historical material;
well-founded, heavily footnoted books on political and historical topics, authored by academics with plenty of credentials, were and are being confiscated and burned by court order;
authors, editors, publishers, printers, wholesalers, retailers, importers and exporters, warehouses, and customers buying more than two copies of a certain medium with peaceful, yet dissenting views on history or politics can be prosecuted for producing, stocking, importing/exporting, distributing such dissident material; the authorities hide from their citizens, which media are outlawed, so that one cannot possibly know whether or not one commits a crime when distributing such media;
VII. judges are threatened with prosecution because they did not punish political and historical dissenters harshly enough
VIII. defense lawyers are prosecuted if they try to introduce evidence showing that the dissenting historical views of their clients, for which they are prosecuted, are in fact correct;
internet providers are forced by law to censor the internet by not forwarding dissenting political and historical material to their customers;
IX. the authorities are actually proud of conducting more than 10,000 criminal prosecutions every year(!) against persons for having committed peaceful “thought crimes”, or more than 100,000 persecutions of peaceful dissenters in ten years!
Oh, I’ll be waiting to hear you beg forgiveness for your stupidity.
I guess you and your pals (germany) aren’t so high minded after all.
After inflicting unimaginable violence on others, you’d think you twits would learn the dangers of fascism.
I guess not.
You SHOULD think twice before trying to lecture us.
That’s why it really isn’t much fun picking on europeans.
Your history is so incredibly rife with horror, it’s hard to take your criticism seriously.
JeffR
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Your stronget argument is a holocaust denying neo nazi who calls THAT innocent folk singers?
Get a more credible source, would you.
And yes the denying of the holocaust is illegal in Germany which is wrong of course.