[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Is it out of the realm of possibility that an entire religious belief is based on the exploits of a whore who beat the sytem?[/quote]
Nothing is out of the possibility, however actuality is what we’re looking to in this situation.
P.S. I’ve heard blasphemy is the result of daddy issues. Might want to get that checked out.[/quote]
If WhiteFlash doesn’t believe in your ‘actuality’ then how is it relevant?
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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Is it out of the realm of possibility that an entire religious belief is based on the exploits of a whore who beat the sytem?[/quote]
Nothing is out of the possibility, however actuality is what we’re looking to in this situation.
P.S. I’ve heard blasphemy is the result of daddy issues. Might want to get that checked out.[/quote]
If WhiteFlash doesn’t believe in your ‘actuality’ then how is it relevant?
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What is “it”?[/quote]
If WhiteFlash doesn’t believe in what you claim to be actuality, then how is what you claim to be actuality relevant?
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Your entire argument is based on believing a story written by man to be gospel. How incredibly dull. I went to Lutheran school for 8 years and have read the bible in its entirety several times. I’m quite familiar with it. Saying I have “daddy issues” 'cause you’re butthurt that your flying spaghetti monster story makes NO FUCKING SENSE is quite funny. I hear passive aggressiveness is a result of having a tiny penis. Might want to look into that.[/quote]
Yet, you’re entire argument is based on misrepresenting the my argument and the Gospel. How incredibly ignorant and irrational (read: calling God flying spaghetti monster has been proven to be an utter straw man, used in times of frustration and hysteria when lacking actual arguments).
Lutheran school, no wonder you don’t understand the Gospel. Jews would do a better job at teaching the Gospel.
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to …[/quote]
Don’t know, but they certaily do it. Hawaii, for example, just declared “Islam Day.”
If I was to guess, it is because atheist and muslims are temporarily united in a war against Judeo-Christian Western society.[/quote]
The atheists I Kknow of feel the same way about CHristiany as they do Islam. Even the top Atheist speakers and writers appear to be more harsh in their treatment to Muslims, and you know, I’m ok with that. I am an atheist, but am openly more fearful of the Islamic world than the Christians here in America. However, this country being a Christian majority, most of the atheist arguments do attack Christians, but not because they are more or less worthy of our criticism.[/quote]
Anecdotes and exceptions. Liberal atheists in general are not militant atheists (some are) who hate religion. They are marxists who hate Judeo-Christian mores/Western Civilization. You have the big time atheist who is a war loving American conservative, cool. However, that’s now the usual strip of the liberal atheist.
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to Christianity. To an atheist, myself included, all the religions are worthy of ridicule, no need to pander to any. The sad reality is that it is our overly conservative society that is afraid to relegate religion/god in any form, to its rightful place. [/quote]
Afraid? You mean not go against the 1st Amendment. K genius.[/quote]
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to Christianity. To an atheist, myself included, all the religions are worthy of ridicule, no need to pander to any. The sad reality is that it is our overly conservative society that is afraid to relegate religion/god in any form, to its rightful place. [/quote]
Afraid? You mean not go against the 1st Amendment. K genius.[/quote]
That silly document?[/quote]
How is being irreligious going against the 1st Amendment??? Society can decided to stop believing in God and the First isn’t going to play any role in that.
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Do you mean that Society can stop believing in God that we make it so that religious people are effectively second class citizens when it comes to voting and politics? Because that’s what WH is talking about over here.
He was talking about making those who believe should be second class citizens, or relegating religion to its rightful place (inferior class). Basically what happened in Britain to puritans and catholics before we broke ties.
And, by the way a religious society is better off than a irreligious society.
Such close mindedness. Looking at the world, 33% of all people claim to be Muslim. They are one of the largest religions in the world up there with Christianity. One of the fastest growing religions, too boot. However, the difference between Islam (modern) and Christianity when it comes reason, well let’s just say there is a chasm. Christianity helped build Western Civilization, Islam tried to concur it, tax it, and convert it.
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NO it’s not.
No one is denying Islam has a huge world presence, but people will always prioritize on the country they live in.
I’m not going to bother with your “Christianity helped build Western Civilization” line.
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote: @Brother Chris…dumbass,
It won’t be any cult/religion upholding your rights under the 1st Amendment. It will be the Atheists trying to preserve the separation of Church and State…trying to preserve your right to practice your religion as you deem fit(including the right to not practice religion).
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Actually it’s the Church that has enforced the freedom of conscience over the past 2000 years, not atheists. Atheists and many other cults are quick to toss the freedom of conscience if it suits their agenda. Don’t try and pull that with me.
Yes, that’s why you want to relegate (dismiss to an inferior rank) religion to its proper place. Sorry, but I’m not going to allow Charles the Tyrant back into America in the disguise of “true religious freedom.”
The 1st Amendment does not care about your religion. What it cares about is if based on your religion you’re discriminated against, just like the British used to do to those who were not Anglican.
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to …[/quote]
Don’t know, but they certaily do it. Hawaii, for example, just declared “Islam Day.”
If I was to guess, it is because atheist and muslims are temporarily united in a war against Judeo-Christian Western society.[/quote]
Where are these atheist organizations that defend islam?
What is unfortunate however is how you’ve been fooled by the buzzword “Judeo-Christian” values. It’s just a term to pander as many people as possible for the purpose of garnering votes and donations. They don’t give a fuck about you guys.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Is it out of the realm of possibility that an entire religious belief is based on the exploits of a whore who beat the sytem?[/quote]
Nothing is out of the possibility, however actuality is what we’re looking to in this situation.
P.S. I’ve heard blasphemy is the result of daddy issues. Might want to get that checked out.[/quote]
If WhiteFlash doesn’t believe in your ‘actuality’ then how is it relevant?
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What is “it”?[/quote]
If WhiteFlash doesn’t believe in what you claim to be actuality, then how is what you claim to be actuality relevant?
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I haven’t claimed anything to be actuality, yet. He asked if it is a possibility, I said we’re not talking about possibilities. Possibilities require data samples, we have a sample of one. So, we have to do a little better than possibility.
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to …[/quote]
Don’t know, but they certaily do it. Hawaii, for example, just declared “Islam Day.”
If I was to guess, it is because atheist and muslims are temporarily united in a war against Judeo-Christian Western society.[/quote]
The atheists I Kknow of feel the same way about CHristiany as they do Islam. Even the top Atheist speakers and writers appear to be more harsh in their treatment to Muslims, and you know, I’m ok with that. I am an atheist, but am openly more fearful of the Islamic world than the Christians here in America. However, this country being a Christian majority, most of the atheist arguments do attack Christians, but not because they are more or less worthy of our criticism.[/quote]
Anecdotes and exceptions. Liberal atheists in general are not militant atheists (some are) who hate religion. They are marxists who hate Judeo-Christian mores/Western Civilization. You have the big time atheist who is a war loving American conservative, cool. However, that’s now the usual strip of the liberal atheist. [/quote]
They are marxists who hate Judeo-Christian mores/Western Civilization. You have the big time atheist who is a war loving American conservative, cool. However, that’s now the usual strip of the liberal atheist. [/quote]
You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to …[/quote]
Don’t know, but they certaily do it. Hawaii, for example, just declared “Islam Day.”
If I was to guess, it is because atheist and muslims are temporarily united in a war against Judeo-Christian Western society.[/quote]
The atheists I Kknow of feel the same way about CHristiany as they do Islam. Even the top Atheist speakers and writers appear to be more harsh in their treatment to Muslims, and you know, I’m ok with that. I am an atheist, but am openly more fearful of the Islamic world than the Christians here in America. However, this country being a Christian majority, most of the atheist arguments do attack Christians, but not because they are more or less worthy of our criticism.[/quote]
Anecdotes and exceptions. Liberal atheists in general are not militant atheists (some are) who hate religion. They are marxists who hate Judeo-Christian mores/Western Civilization. You have the big time atheist who is a war loving American conservative, cool. However, that’s now the usual strip of the liberal atheist. [/quote]
LOL, talk about ‘hysteria’…[/quote]
I don’t get it? I’ve been relatively disinterested in this discourse from the start.
They are marxists who hate Judeo-Christian mores/Western Civilization. You have the big time atheist who is a war loving American conservative, cool. However, that’s now the usual strip of the liberal atheist. [/quote]
You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to Christianity. To an atheist, myself included, all the religions are worthy of ridicule, no need to pander to any. The sad reality is that it is our overly conservative society that is afraid to relegate religion/god in any form, to its rightful place. [/quote]
Speak for yourself, unless you Atheists actually are a group of people who subscribe to a particular ideology.
I’ve seen Atheists and Muslims team up against Christians in religious debates before. Weird to me, but it happens sometimes. [/quote]
What was the context?
Because it just sounds like you’re painting a picture of ‘bad’ Atheists and Muslims against ‘good’ Christians. [/quote]
Don’t worry about the contexts of my weak anecdotes. I have something even better for you.
Look at your own posts - in one you defend atheists, next you defend Muslims. With BC you assume attack stance.
It’s only natural for Christians to pick up on that - even way before you do.
If you want an accurate view of what’s going on - you’re gonna need more than two points of view.
They are marxists who hate Judeo-Christian mores/Western Civilization. You have the big time atheist who is a war loving American conservative, cool. However, that’s now the usual strip of the liberal atheist. [/quote]
You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
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K.Great argument.[/quote]
Argument for what? For some bullshit lies you are writing about atheists? Prove your assertion that American/Canadian atheist organizations are pushing marxism and hate western civilization.
All atheist organizations do is push for the enforcement of the separation of church and state.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Your entire argument is based on believing a story written by man to be gospel. How incredibly dull. I went to Lutheran school for 8 years and have read the bible in its entirety several times. I’m quite familiar with it. Saying I have “daddy issues” 'cause you’re butthurt that your flying spaghetti monster story makes NO FUCKING SENSE is quite funny. I hear passive aggressiveness is a result of having a tiny penis. Might want to look into that.[/quote]
Yet, you’re entire argument is based on misrepresenting the my argument and the Gospel. How incredibly ignorant and irrational (read: calling God flying spaghetti monster has been proven to be an utter straw man, used in times of frustration and hysteria when lacking actual arguments).
Lutheran school, no wonder you don’t understand the Gospel. Jews would do a better job at teaching the Gospel. [/quote]
The utter stupidity in everything you’ve written so far is TRULY mind boggling. The difference (apparently) between us is that nothing you’ve written or can write would ever frustrate me. It is funny however that as a “Christian” you talk shit about other Christians who happen to believe things a little differently than you. If it makes you feel netters, I went to a catholic church for the better part of five years. To summarize: It’s all a collection of man made fairy tales. And, my argument is science, which CONTINUALLY proves your religion to be bogus. You can believe whatever you like, and I’ll never try and dissuade anyone from their beliefs. But, when one is presented with logic and responds with more nonsense (I heard he saw an angel!@@!!) and shit talking, there’s a problem.
