[quote]Nards wrote:
Yeah, it’s just that I’d prefer all atheists be pan-atheists. Islam should get as much scrutiny as any other religion.[/quote]
If anything , Islam as a whole gets more scrutiny than any other religion …
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Except from the left.[/quote]
NO.
As I said on the last page: Christians are the ones in power making all the laws. Muslims make up 0.8% of the US population and 2.6% of the Canadians population.
I think it’s strange you guys would expect equal ridicule as Christianity.
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to Christianity. To an atheist, myself included, all the religions are worthy of ridicule, no need to pander to any. The sad reality is that it is our overly conservative society that is afraid to relegate religion/god in any form, to its rightful place. [/quote]
Afraid? You mean not go against the 1st Amendment. K genius.[/quote]
NO.
He’s talking about religious PRIVILEGE in society.
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to Christianity. To an atheist, myself included, all the religions are worthy of ridicule, no need to pander to any. The sad reality is that it is our overly conservative society that is afraid to relegate religion/god in any form, to its rightful place. [/quote]
Afraid? You mean not go against the 1st Amendment. K genius.[/quote]
That silly document?[/quote]
How is being irreligious going against the 1st Amendment??? Society can decided to stop believing in God and the First isn’t going to play any role in that.
Wy are you all so upset that I called a spade a spade? What does your 1st Amendment rights have to do with anything I said. Unless, you believe, that as an Atheist, I shouldn’t have the same rights as you “religious” types?
Anyone wants to believe in fairy tales, feel free. It’s not the Atheists that are wanting to take away your Bibles, your Qurans, Bhagavad Gitas, Annalects of Confucious, whatever your Holy Scriptures…
It’s not the Atheists that want to destroy the rights that belong to ALL of us…
BUT, maybe it is your desire to see that all men are created equal, but that “certain” types are more equal than others? Believe in this fairy tale and you will be rewarded with a place in the first caste in society? Believe in that fairy tale and you are relegated to slave caste?
@squating_bear
Why would an Atheist team up with any cult/religion to defend or attack another? Sort of goes against the definition of “Atheism”
@Brother Chris…dumbass,
It won’t be any cult/religion upholding your rights under the 1st Amendment. It will be the Atheists trying to preserve the separation of Church and State…trying to preserve your right to practice your religion as you deem fit(including the right to not practice religion).
[quote]Nards wrote:
Yeah, it’s just that I’d prefer all atheists be pan-atheists. Islam should get as much scrutiny as any other religion.[/quote]
Liberal atheists are some of the worst offenders when it comes to pandering to Islam. All in the name of multiculturalism.
And in response to posts above: What makes you think that anything you happen to believe is inherently deserving of respect? If I thought that the Earth were flat or that the Easter bunny existed I would be deserving of ridicule. As would belief in Thor, magic underwear or Jesus. There’s a big difference between criticising/ridiculing something and being intolerant of it. I’ve yet to meet an atheist who doesn’t firmly believe in one’s right to worship freely.[/quote]
I should make it so that people ridicule people for thinking that people once thought the world was flat. There is no major group of people who thought the world was flat. [/quote]
Even if you were right (which you are not),
My life is not predicated upon the fact that people have held this belief (which they have).
Who cares? Go ahead and “make it so that people” ridicule me. I’m pretty sure I can live with the torment.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Is it out of the realm of possibility that an entire religious belief is based on the exploits of a whore who beat the sytem?[/quote]
Nothing is out of the possibility, however actuality is what we’re looking to in this situation.
P.S. I’ve heard blasphemy is the result of daddy issues. Might want to get that checked out.[/quote]
If WhiteFlash doesn’t believe in your ‘actuality’ then how is it relevant?
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to Christianity. To an atheist, myself included, all the religions are worthy of ridicule, no need to pander to any. The sad reality is that it is our overly conservative society that is afraid to relegate religion/god in any form, to its rightful place. [/quote]
Speak for yourself, unless you Atheists actually are a group of people who subscribe to a particular ideology.
I’ve seen Atheists and Muslims team up against Christians in religious debates before. Weird to me, but it happens sometimes. [/quote]
What was the context?
Because it just sounds like you’re painting a picture of ‘bad’ Atheists and Muslims against ‘good’ Christians.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Man’s incessant need to be “right” is wild, and probably speaks to our inherently self destructive nature. What was considered gospel a thousand years ago is now considered ludicrous, and what most believe now [Christians, Muslims, Snake handlers, whatever] will be laughed at and ridiculed a thousand years from now, provided we haven’t killed off our species. In the end, believe what you want. If it makes you happy and doesn’t hurt others, knock yourself out.
But, I will say this: People were considerably more naive then.[/quote]
This is always a good stance when it comes to history. Everyone before me is just stupid, therefore I do not need to put weight towards their argument or defend against it.
I’m going to guess that you don’t even know what blasphemy means. The first thing you’re not factoring is that there was prophesy for a virgin giving birth to the messiah.
Mary wouldn’t have been killed for cheating on her husband, since she was a consecrated virgin. She would have been killed because she committed adultery. That’s why Joseph was going to put her away quietly. However, he knew prophecy and also an angel revealed to joseph that Mary was telling the truth. So, to say that he got one pulled over on him is kind of ridiculous, because he didn’t believe Mary in the first place and was going to get rid of her and the child until he saw an angel.
Nothing is out of the possibility, however actuality is what we’re looking to in this situation.
P.S. I’ve heard blasphemy is the result of daddy issues. Might want to get that checked out.[/quote]
Your entire argument is based on believing a story written by man to be gospel. How incredibly dull. I went to Lutheran school for 8 years and have read the bible in its entirety several times. I’m quite familiar with it. Saying I have “daddy issues” 'cause you’re butthurt that your flying spaghetti monster story makes NO FUCKING SENSE is quite funny. I hear passive aggressiveness is a result of having a tiny penis. Might want to look into that.
[quote]Nards wrote:
Yeah, it’s just that I’d prefer all atheists be pan-atheists. Islam should get as much scrutiny as any other religion.[/quote]
If anything , Islam as a whole gets more scrutiny than any other religion …
[/quote]
Except from the left.[/quote]
NO.
As I said on the last page: Christians are the ones in power making all the laws. Muslims make up 0.8% of the US population and 2.6% of the Canadians population.
I think it’s strange you guys would expect equal ridicule as Christianity.
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I think I misunderstood the context of Nards’ post but I agree with this.
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to …[/quote]
Don’t know, but they certaily do it. Hawaii, for example, just declared “Islam Day.”
If I was to guess, it is because atheist and muslims are temporarily united in a war against Judeo-Christian Western society.[/quote]
This does not sound like a war against Judeo-Christian western society to me:
[quote][Wikipedia]
Hawaii House Concurrent Resolution 100 to establish the day was proposed by Lyla Berg and passed unanimously on May 6, 2009.[1] The Hawaii Senate passed the resolution 22 to 3[2] to recognize “the rich religious, scientific, cultural and artistic contributions of the Islamic world”. It was set for November 21 the founding of Islam, but moved to September 24 on the day Mohammad arrived in Medina in 644, because it conflicted with Aloha (Makahiki) Festivals. It is a state-designated day of recognition and not a holiday and no government funds were designated to it, to preserve the “separation of church and state”. Muslims and supporters have seen it as an opportunity to repair the image of Islam, damaged by radical Islam. The public in Hawaii had a largely indifferent reaction to the news of the new day.[/quote]
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to …[/quote]
Don’t know, but they certaily do it. Hawaii, for example, just declared “Islam Day.”
If I was to guess, it is because atheist and muslims are temporarily united in a war against Judeo-Christian Western society.[/quote]
The atheists I Kknow of feel the same way about CHristiany as they do Islam. Even the top Atheist speakers and writers appear to be more harsh in their treatment to Muslims, and you know, I’m ok with that. I am an atheist, but am openly more fearful of the Islamic world than the Christians here in America. However, this country being a Christian majority, most of the atheist arguments do attack Christians, but not because they are more or less worthy of our criticism.
No, there is no atheist-Muslim conspiracy. Atheists generally criticize all religions. Therefore atheists and Muslims may agree when criticizing Christianity; atheists and Christians may agree when criticizing Islam; etc…
This is not to say that all religions receive equal scrutiny. Islam is clearly a more pernicious religion than, say, Jainism.
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to …[/quote]
Don’t know, but they certaily do it. Hawaii, for example, just declared “Islam Day.”
If I was to guess, it is because atheist and muslims are temporarily united in a war against Judeo-Christian Western society.[/quote]
Where are these atheist organizations that defend islam?
What is unfortunate however is how you’ve been fooled by the buzzword “Judeo-Christian” values. It’s just a term to pander as many people as possible for the purpose of garnering votes and donations. They don’t give a fuck about you guys.
[quote]bcingu wrote:
No, there is no atheist-Muslim conspiracy. Atheists generally criticize all religions. Therefore atheists and Muslims may agree when criticizing Christianity; atheists and Christians may agree when criticizing Islam; etc…
This is not to say that all religions receive equal scrutiny. Islam is clearly a more pernicious religion than, say, Jainism.[/quote]
Seriously.
I don’t bother discussing Islam much in PWI because we’re mostly in agreement already.
[quote]Winterhawk17 wrote:
why would a “liberal” atheists pander to Islam any more than they would pander to …[/quote]
Don’t know, but they certaily do it. Hawaii, for example, just declared “Islam Day.”
If I was to guess, it is because atheist and muslims are temporarily united in a war against Judeo-Christian Western society.[/quote]
Where are these atheist organizations that defend islam?
What is unfortunate however is how you’ve been fooled by the buzzword “Judeo-Christian” values. It’s just a term to pander as many people as possible for the purpose of garnering votes and donations. They don’t give a fuck about you guys.
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Yeah, those Judeo Christian values…
Not bearing false witness, not stealing, not coveting your neighbors possessions, high up on any politicians list, I am sure…
[quote]Nards wrote:
Yeah, it’s just that I’d prefer all atheists be pan-atheists. Islam should get as much scrutiny as any other religion.[/quote]
If anything , Islam as a whole gets more scrutiny than any other religion …
[/quote]
Except from the left.[/quote]
NO.
As I said on the last page: Christians are the ones in power making all the laws. Muslims make up 0.8% of the US population and 2.6% of the Canadians population.
I think it’s strange you guys would expect equal ridicule as Christianity.
[/quote]
Such close mindedness. Looking at the world, 33% of all people claim to be Muslim. They are one of the largest religions in the world up there with Christianity. One of the fastest growing religions, too boot. However, the difference between Islam (modern) and Christianity when it comes reason, well let’s just say there is a chasm. Christianity helped build Western Civilization, Islam tried to concur it, tax it, and convert it.
Understanding how the Muslim mind words and how the Christian (WC) mind words in two different ways is essential.