[quote]Gkhan wrote:
We do not want them assisting separtists in this case because Georgia is our ally.
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Why are they our ally? What’s the trade-off here? 2,000 troops for Iraq, for the possibility of us having to fight Russia on their behalf? Again, thank god they weren’t part of NATO, or we’d be obligated to go to war against Russia over this. There’s friendly nations, and then there’s alliances.
They just did.
Well, with potential US leaders wanting them in NATO, can you blame them?
Ok, but when have we been kind to our own seperatists?
Are people still saying the Serbs were committing Genocide? In any event, the Georgians bombing civilian homes wasn’t exactly ethical warfare. I don’t understand your point about Russia not backing Kosovo. That’s what they did right.
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So that is why I believe they are hypocrites. If they were to take over Georgia and put it under Russian control, you can bet your ass they would then move to take the areas which the separtists now control.[/quote]
Ok. But, we shouldn’t be involved.
So according to this, Saakashvili kinda overestimated the Georgian-American friendship.
What a fuckin moron, willing to put his folks to the russian sword for a gamble.
From what I have gathered in the last few days the state dept was telling him to cool it and that we were not going to get involved. At the same time Cheney was giving him a wink and a nod or implying we had his back.
Hmm…limited term elected officials and carrier bureacrats not on the same page. Shocking.
The state department and Condi were pretty clear that he should not respond to the Russians provocation.
And make no mistake, the Russians provoked this. They started their cyber attack 3 weeks prior to to the shooting and the had also built up forces in the area as well.
Georgia was put in a no win situation. Fight back against the bully or get pushed around.[/quote]
If you’re next to a mean bully (Russia), your surrounding is not the most stable area (caucasus) and you obviously lack big allies and near friends or own firepower, wouldn’t it be better to accept that things are not bright and shiny?
It wasn’t a no win situation, it was a get harassed or get gang raped situation.
The leader chose the gang bang because of his ego.
I hope these fucks will never make it into the NATO.
I don’t know what is more comical, his exagerations or Russia’s denials. Neither side’s statements seem to be matching eye witness reports. Pretty funny. I can bet that no one is itching to get involved in this one. Except McCain.
I don’t know what is more comical, his exagerations or Russia’s denials. Neither side’s statements seem to be matching eye witness reports. Pretty funny. I can bet that no one is itching to get involved in this one. Except McCain.[/quote]
He’s more dangerous than comical. Not only did he order the shelling of the Ossetian capital at midnight, but he’s now gratuitously poking the bear.
Why would the man talk about the US DoD assuming control of Georgian air and sea ports? Give Moscow more ammo to stay in Georgia?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
We do not want them assisting separtists in this case because Georgia is our ally.
Why are they our ally? What’s the trade-off here? 2,000 troops for Iraq, for the possibility of us having to fight Russia on their behalf? Again, thank god they weren’t part of NATO, or we’d be obligated to go to war against Russia over this. There’s friendly nations, and then there’s alliances.
Russia does not assist separtists.
They just did.
They are not some noble nation which helps out the little guy. The only reason they helped the separtists is to get back at Georgia who they percieve to be a threat.
Well, with potential US leaders wanting them in NATO, can you blame them?
Other than that, they have a record of smashing separtists. Like I said, look at Chechnia. Here is a nation which declared independence from Russia. Did they help them with their separation? Hell no, the crushed the bastards.
Ok, but when have we been kind to our own seperatists?
Did the Russians back the separtists in Kosovo? No! They backed the Serbs who were committing genocide against the Albanians.
Are people still saying the Serbs were committing Genocide? In any event, the Georgians bombing civilian homes wasn’t exactly ethical warfare. I don’t understand your point about Russia not backing Kosovo. That’s what they did right.
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Exactly. I thought it was pretty widely known at this point that there was no genocide in Kosovo. The KLA were as bad as the Serbs. And for some unfathomable reason we’ve recognized a tiny kleptocracy in Europe. Condi for VP!
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
We do not want them assisting separtists in this case because Georgia is our ally.
Why are they our ally? What’s the trade-off here? 2,000 troops for Iraq, for the possibility of us having to fight Russia on their behalf? Again, thank god they weren’t part of NATO, or we’d be obligated to go to war against Russia over this. There’s friendly nations, and then there’s alliances.
Russia does not assist separtists.
They just did.
They are not some noble nation which helps out the little guy. The only reason they helped the separtists is to get back at Georgia who they percieve to be a threat.
Well, with potential US leaders wanting them in NATO, can you blame them?
Other than that, they have a record of smashing separtists. Like I said, look at Chechnia. Here is a nation which declared independence from Russia. Did they help them with their separation? Hell no, the crushed the bastards.
Ok, but when have we been kind to our own seperatists?
Did the Russians back the separtists in Kosovo? No! They backed the Serbs who were committing genocide against the Albanians.
Are people still saying the Serbs were committing Genocide? In any event, the Georgians bombing civilian homes wasn’t exactly ethical warfare. I don’t understand your point about Russia not backing Kosovo. That’s what they did right.
Exactly. I thought it was pretty widely known at this point that there was no genocide in Kosovo. The KLA were as bad as the Serbs. And for some unfathomable reason we’ve recognized a tiny kleptocracy in Europe. Condi for VP![/quote]
Interestingly, I can remember being assured - on the PWI forum, no less - that traditional “hot wars” were obsolete, outdated, relics of the past, never to return again.
Looks like the more things change, the more things stay the same. An arming China, an aggressive Russian nationalism, asymmetric warfare from the barbarians of the Middle East - our next president better be ready.
This situation is a bit more complicated than we would be led to believe. Georgia has a history of terrorizing the Ossetians. However, somehow, that’s not being discussed too much in the Western media (at least, here in the US). Instead, Georgia is just portrayed as this completely innocent party.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Russia is going to start rebuilding the Iron Curtain one country at a time.
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That is the plan. Georgia is particularly important because it has the sole oil pipeline in that part of the world that does not go through Russian territory.
[quote]entheogens wrote:
This situation is a bit more complicated than we would be led to believe. Georgia has a history of terrorizing the Ossetians. However, somehow, that’s not being discussed too much in the Western media (at least, here in the US). Instead, Georgia is just portrayed as this completely innocent party.[/quote]
What are you talking about? All I see on CNN is the Russian side!
[quote]Magnate wrote:
Behold, the power of stupid.[/quote]
That isn’t stupid, it’s ignorant - there’s a difference. No person on earth is born with an ingrained knowledge of world geography and it may not be entirely her fault that nobody ever taught it to her.
I would like people to read the following article and comment:
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Russia is going to start rebuilding the Iron Curtain one country at a time. [/quote]
What a shame the problem was not taken care of in '41
We need Germany back on the world stage.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Magnate wrote:
Behold, the power of stupid.
That isn’t stupid, it’s ignorant - there’s a difference. No person on earth is born with an ingrained knowledge of world geography and it may not be entirely her fault that nobody ever taught it to her.
I would like people to read the following article and comment:
rainjack wrote:
Russia is going to start rebuilding the Iron Curtain one country at a time.
What a shame the problem was not taken care of in '41
We need Germany back on the world stage.[/quote]
We played one off on the other, so they’d mutually destruct, worked out pretty well. Now to get the Chinese and Russians to ruin each other! That’d be cool — we’d rule the world for the next thousand years!
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Magnate wrote:
Behold, the power of stupid.
That isn’t stupid, it’s ignorant - there’s a difference. No person on earth is born with an ingrained knowledge of world geography and it may not be entirely her fault that nobody ever taught it to her.
I would like people to read the following article and comment:
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IM SO FUCKING SORRY. PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR USING A WORD THAT WORKED PERFECTLY WELL IN THAT CONTEXT. IM SO FUCKING SORRY.
You’ll get over it, but until then - if it’s all right with you - I’m gonna call it stupid anyway. You can pull your head out of your ass whenever you find the time.
What’s the deal with Radovan Karadzic? And why’s he being indicted by the United Nations’ International Criminal Tribunal for
genocide, deportation, and other crimes against Muslim, Croat and other non-Serb Bosnian civilians?
What’s the deal with Radovan Karadzic? And why’s he being indicted by the United Nations’ International Criminal Tribunal for
genocide, deportation, and other crimes against Muslim, Croat and other non-Serb Bosnian civilians?
