elk,
I’ll ask you the same question for the third time: Is everyone who supports this war and is not in front-line combat a coward?
You seem to indicate this in your last post.
Clarify for me, pal.
Thanks,
JeffR
No Jeff, in my view just the ones who are staunchly supportive and physically and mentally able and within the age range to be a soldier. Hope that clears it up a bit.
Jeffr I will answer elk for him… As I have tangled with him in the past. He thinks because we are supposed T-men we should be out there shelling insurgents if we agree with the war. He doesn’t realize that a true t-man is not entirely fit for military duty. At least not front line bullshit. T-men should be the generals, the commanders, the leaders. That is what a t-man nature is. A t-man would hesitate if a bad order was given, He would and should question it because he is HIGHLY moral. This is why our front line troops should be slightly less intelligent, more able to not question thier higher ups, but yet still have a strong back and a sharp eye. these are the viscouse killing machines we need on our front lines. But alas you will never change his mind… for he thinks of elite as being liberal, and not being T. The fact is… some people are better than others. We have some of the best people in the f-ing country here on this site. it would be a waste for most of us to go and die doing that work. Again, I’m not saying any of us wouldn’t be good at front line work… but we can do more good in other areas.
I know it’s a bit of a hijack, but I noticed that the Chaos Theory was being tossed around a bit back there. Who knew that the chaos theory was actualy developed by Henri Ponicare, a french polymath in the late 1800’s-early 1900’s to explain the “three bodies problem”.This was an attempt to geometricaly rationalise the gravitational forces of the sun,earth and moon.After so many attempts with such drastically different resultant forces, the only conclusion he could come to was that our solar system was in chaos, perrilously near losing its order,our planets either flying apart or smashing into each other at random. For more on this see one of my favorite books Einstiens Clocks, Ponicares maps.
The Chaos Theory was then taken by people who didn’t understand it and turned into the “butterfly effect”,which is where one persons actions wave through humanity with a ripple effect.How nice.But of course, also total Bullshit. Well, this Hijack is over and my meds are kicking in! BYE.
Veg said-
This is why our front line troops should be slightly less intelligent, more able to not question thier higher ups, but yet still have a strong back and a sharp eye. these are the viscouse killing machines we need on our front lines.
That about says it all… What can I say about that “our front line troops should be slightly less intelligent, so they don’t question the higher ups,” I would like to see you make that comment to a platoon of front line troops!
I happen to have a different opinion of our and for our front line soldiers veg.
Elk, that is one of the most singly asinine opinions I have ever read regarding the war.
Every able bodied male who agrees should join the military, and head to the front lines? That is brilliant. Who will keep the economy afloat during the war if every male 18-35 signs up to be sent over? What if they have familial obligations?
You fail to realize that what you suggest isn’t possible.
Oh, and to whoever started this thread: I got a good chuckle reading your reasons for indicting Bush. Good luck in your career in international law.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Jeffr I will answer elk for him… As I have tangled with him in the past. He thinks because we are supposed T-men we should be out there shelling insurgents if we agree with the war. He doesn’t realize that a true t-man is not entirely fit for military duty. At least not front line bullshit. T-men should be the generals, the commanders, the leaders. That is what a t-man nature is. A t-man would hesitate if a bad order was given, He would and should question it because he is HIGHLY moral. This is why our front line troops should be slightly less intelligent, more able to not question thier higher ups, but yet still have a strong back and a sharp eye. these are the viscouse killing machines we need on our front lines. But alas you will never change his mind… for he thinks of elite as being liberal, and not being T. The fact is… some people are better than others. We have some of the best people in the f-ing country here on this site. it would be a waste for most of us to go and die doing that work. Again, I’m not saying any of us wouldn’t be good at front line work… but we can do more good in other areas.[/quote]
I’m sorry, I couldn’t get over the completely utter fucking retardation of this post! The sad thing is you will never realize the stupidity of what you said! Veg, I don’t think you would know Testosterone if it bit you in your skinny ass.
[quote]Ehron wrote:
Elk, that is one of the most singly asinine opinions I have ever read regarding the war.
Every able bodied male who agrees should join the military, and head to the front lines? That is brilliant. Who will keep the economy afloat during the war if every male 18-35 signs up to be sent over? What if they have familial obligations?
You fail to realize that what you suggest isn’t possible.
Oh, and to whoever started this thread: I got a good chuckle reading your reasons for indicting Bush. Good luck in your career in international law.[/quote]
We did it during WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, if all of the age specific supporters of the war went we would still have enough men and women back here to keep the economy afloat! Is this a cop out or what?
elk,
Does that include law enforcement officers?
You want experienced cops leaving you unprotected from domestic/foreign threats?
Again, direct question: Are you calling law enforcement officers cowards?
Yes or no will do,
JeffR
Elk’s back with his broken-record diatribe against those in civilian clothes supporting the war.
Give it up guys. Have you ever seen a fence post before? Well, you’re arguing with one in Elk.
Just like arguing with a stereotypical pre-menstrual woman - logic has no place with the elkster.
Name calling, the sure way to prove that one is a T-man. How could I have been so stupid… Next time I will learn my lesson and follow your lead elk… I will be sure to make a point by only calling you names and laughing at you… like this… Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
Man I feel so Stupid for not realizing this noble and great virtue of our modern society. Alas I bow humbly before you supremicy of mind body and spirit oh elky one. Never again will I question the authority or the virtue as the one called Elk. I have been down the dark and lonely road of idiocy and stupidity as well as cowardace, wussinitis, pee pee head and many other bad things. But you oh my savior, my knight in white shining armor, my beacon in the storm, have delivered me to the land of happy happy fun time and I thank you.
Can I have some more Kool-aid now?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Elk’s back with his broken-record diatribe against those in civilian clothes supporting the war.
Give it up guys. Have you ever seen a fence post before? Well, you’re arguing with one in Elk.
Just like arguing with a stereotypical pre-menstrual woman - logic has no place with the elkster.[/quote]
Well, well, rainman, you’re no chauvinist are you! Rain, let me ask you this: Soldiers are dying everyday right? And if this keeps up we are going to need more troops, especially if we are planning on possibly going into Syria or elsewhere right? Now if we need more troops and you have two twenty or thirty something year old guys who are able bodied and fit for duty who should go?
The one who is vocally supportive of the war or the one who didn’t agree with it? Rain, you seem like a tough fair minded guy to me… What is so faulty with that kind of logic? One who is in agreement going to do the fighting if they are the age and fit for duty. Rain explain what is wrong with that.
elk “The one who is vocally supportive of the war or the one who didn’t agree with it? Rain, you seem like a tough fair minded guy to me… What is so faulty with that kind of logic? One who is in agreement going to do the fighting if they are the age and fit for duty. Rain explain what is wrong with that.”
You are assuming that there will be no more natural enlistment due to the war. This in fact is incorrect as enlistment is still strong maybe not as high as it was post 9/11 but there is no “need” for anyone who would not have normally chosen a military path to do so because they support the war now.
veg, you’ve already explained your position. Less intelligent people should go fight because gifted souls such as your self are to valuable to be sacrificed. I understand your position already. Nuff said!
[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Well, well, rainman, you’re no chauvinist are you! Rain, let me ask you this: Soldiers are dying everyday right? And if this keeps up we are going to need more troops, especially if we are planning on possibly going into Syria or elsewhere right? Now if we need more troops and you have two twenty or thirty something year old guys who are able bodied and fit for duty who should go?
The one who is vocally supportive of the war or the one who didn’t agree with it? Rain, you seem like a tough fair minded guy to me… What is so faulty with that kind of logic? One who is in agreement going to do the fighting if they are the age and fit for duty. Rain explain what is wrong with that.[/quote]
The problem I see with your logic is that we are an all volunteer force. If we are all volunteer, then only those who feel impressed to enlist are required to do so.
To say that one of two guys, each exercising their First Amendment right to free speech, should have to serve simply because of his speech, while the other shouldn’t have to, is just wrong.
You have been standing on this same street corner, preaching the same message since…well…since I’ve been reading and participating in the forum.
I’m not saying you haven’t the right to say what you say - but I have the right to think your a blooming idiot. But in a good way, of course.
rainster, your street corner has not changed either.
I do feel like I’m beating a horse to death already and if you fail to get my point, I don’t think you ever will. And even though you remind me of a Texan Archie Bunker, hothead, sean hannity, I do have respect for the tough son of a bitch you are!
I think we should assist the peshmerga to cultivate … saffron.
Depleted Uranium - It seems like there is a real lack of information on this. Maybe this thread has gone on long enough that nobody cares anymore, but here goes. Depleted uranium is U-238, a byproduct of enriching natural uranium to increase the % U-235, which is fissile. It is radioactive, it emits an alpha particle which is a charged particle that can be stopped by paper or the layer of dead cells on your skin. When uranium bullets strike a hard target, it pulverizes to some extent and releases uranium dust into the air. When inhaled or ingested, it could slightly increase the cancer risk due to the fact that lung tissue and similar tissues are damaged by the alpha particle. The real hazard though is not the radiation but the chemical effect, like eating lead-based paint chips, smoking, or breathing in asbestos. Such an effect isn’t really known, but yeah, it probably isn’t good.
Some people claim that the DU dust will remain in the air and soil long after its initial use, and continue to cause birth defects and other health problems in the population. That’s the basis for considering it a WMD. I guess it’s debatable at best.
One would have to find out what exposure to DU causes health problems. Smoking one cigarette won’t kill you; will breathing in the dust from one DU bullet? How about 10, or a thousand? Nobody knows.
“And even though you remind me of a Texan Archie Bunker, hothead, sean hannity, I do have respect for the tough son of a bitch you are!”
I’m assuming that you do not consider me a tough son of a bitch or respect my views? … It’s ok brother elk, I’d still bail your ass out of a jam anytime if you really needed it. Guess thats just me though. Sure I can get a little sarcastic and my toone can grow quite heated at times. Does that reduce the validity of my views?
*** this just in… the New England Patriots have re-positioned Tom Brady to play linebacker. In a strange turn of events, Tom brady was attempting to motivate some of the defensive members of his team telling them they don’t seem to be playing with fire and determination. Since the New GM brother Elk has taken control of the team and heard this outrage he told brady he would be playing linebacker for the rest of the season. When asked of the move by reporters brother elk commented that he runs a team based soley on idealistic morals and has little use for logic or common sense. “so what if brady isn’t built to be a linebacker, if he thinks he knows more about how a linebacker should play than let him show everyone”
In other news corey dillon has been demoted to water boy due to his age, he will be replaced by the untested rookie running back who is only 20 years old. “We can’t have these old guys running around risking injury when we could have a much younger guy in there doing all the work. Besides, the younger guy should be faster and stronger… he is younger right? it all makes sense”
Disclaimer, none of the above quotes are real, this was a fictional satire, consider it a political cartoon. Tom brady and corey dillon will likely be starting at thier respective positions on sunday.
Bah, Elk isn’t completely wrong, even if he isn’t completely right. Cheerleaders need to stop thinking they are so goddamned special that simply living their lives is a “contribution” in some way.
Given economic realities, I’m a contributor under that criteria. I’ll take no more abuse from the cheerleaders thank you very much. I participate in and have participated in the American economy to a significant degree when measured at the individual level. Heck, when I get older I’ll even qualify for social security payments.
There are elitist issues and bullshit excuses all over the place as to why one does not “need” to sign up. War is about sacrifice, not about convenience to career or family. If you believe in the cause what are you doing to support it (mouthing off in a politics forum really doesn’t cut it). Are you honestly doing ANYTHING at all?
Heh, Veg, you need to go explain your views to frontline soldiers. Explain how you are glad they are there because they obviously are not very intelligent and are suited for soaking up bullets and shrapnel while you tell them what objectives to attempt to achieve.
What, that sounds kinda like Rumsfeld. I’m kidding! Rummy is an old codger and an antique – he’s allowed to be a little rusty.