Again, we’re talking about 9 unarmed black men shot and killed by police in 1 year, versus how many thousands of black men murdered in already underserviced communities every year. How many centuries would it take that social experiment to pay dividends?
What the fuck is the point?
Based on what? Somalia?
I think the idea is that they will kill each other off.
Yes, I get that’s what BLM’s leaders want, I just can’t fathom the thinking of the useful idiots.
Interesting, @zecarlo.
On the “Alienist” last night (GREAT show, by the way…and I’m glad Dakota Fanning is GROWN and doesn’t scream ONCE!)…the owner of a Brothel of young Boys stated that the difference between Socialism and Capitalism was that:
“…Under Socialism man exploits man…under Capitalism, man exploits man…”
(One can certainly disagree on that statement…but it was interesting nonetheless…)
The point is to reallocate funds to programs that help change the culture of poverty. The goal will be to place more emphasis on curing the disease (culture/cycle of poverty) instead of focusing so much on treating symptoms (crime).
How much money and resources to move from the PD coffer to which programs are KEY details so that we have the greatest benefit with the least short term pain. And I haven’t heard any concrete details yet, just high level ideas for programs.
But again, the most important thing IMO is that the folks affected by these changes are onboard as they would be the ones living the experiment.
This is an epidemic. Police rampaging around murdering people isn’t. I literally saw someone say they were afraid for their son’s life every time he leaves the house because of the the police. What? He is so much more likely to be assaulted/killed by his fellow citizen that there simply isn’t a comparison. The oversized response we’re seeing is irrational and misdirected. And if the entertainment industry, the media, and academics actually gave two squats outside of trying to advance other unrelated agendas (BLM’s mission statement) within a sympathetic, if largely false, narrative they would already have been helping to put things into a more realistic perspective.
I would counter with, how many refugees and immigrants choose to go to communist nations? How many escape communist nations? Ilhan Omar can condemn the evil that is America but where did she escape to? Here you have a woman, a refugee/immigrant, a Muslim, a POC, who has become a congresswoman, complaining about how the country that made it possible for her to thrive in a way that her nation, for a variety of reasons, would not, is systemically and inherently racist, islamaphobic, misogynistic, anti-immigrant, oppresses the poor, fascist, etc. No one hears these people speak and thinks their very existence proves them wrong? AOC was a bartender and now where is she?
The thing is I’m not even opposed to this. I believe the war on drugs could be wound down and money reallocated to such things. That should considerably reduce the number of officer-citizen encounters, which means fewer chances for something to go wrong. It would go a long way in disarming the power of a violent black market. And, keep young men out of prison where they’re then hardened even more. But we better have low skilled/no skilled blue collar jobs waiting for them in and near their communities.
There is a fear of having to face some ugly truths. It’s much easier, and safer, to invent enemies rather than face real ones.
This is where we are: if you are not racist you are racist because you need to be anti racist. In a black on black crime, the perpetrator is actually a victim. In this way you create a perpetual victim class and oppressor class.
She could have moved to Saudi Arabia to be an actual slave - beaten and tortured by a frustrated housewife and raped by her husband and sons.
Agreed. Job training, subsidized housing/infrastructure/retail projects would provide bluecollar jobs initially, and require workers to work there and maintain once built. I am sure there are other programs and ideas for this out there as well. There are lots of options for how the reallocated money can be best spent.It will be about picking the right programs to fund… and making decent jobs available will be key.
Perhaps you should research the amount of money spent yearly ($1 TT) and cumulatively since 1965, along with the multiple programs addressing basic human needs already in place. Such as food, housing, medical, education, security, and even cash.
Also consider ‘poverty income’ does not include the family’s payments from the programs above.
The very large majority of that money is again “treating the symptoms, not the disease” of poverty. Because we are in a 1st world country and believe in a basic standard of living we provide money/food/shelter/etc at a baseline level. The bloated PD budgets are, IMO, another sign of our society focusing too much on the symptoms instead of the disease.
Reform of many of the welfare policies we have currently is needed, and any new policies that are formed from the “defund” movement should try and address misuse and gaming of the system as well. It will never be perfect, but we should always be trying to improve the system (without making so many changes so often that it becomes a complicated mess to navigate).
You mean, the things that already exist there? This is like AOC talking about how suburban schools have counselors for the kids and implying that inner city schools lack these services. Well, we know she never went to school in the inner city as they do have counselors, social workers, sped teachers, breakfast, lunch and after school meals.
“Even those who hate the United States of America won’t leave”
True. She could have went to Kuwait which has the system of slavery down to a science, its called a “work program” in which they seize your passport for up to five years before you get 10 days off to travel home. Kuwait actually flies under the radar, but, it has one of the most oppressive societies I have ever encountered. Just ask a Filipino, or Pakistani , or Indian.
What’s the disease? Could it be single motherhood?
If you have much less chance of getting caught then crime suddenly seems much more appealing.
That was actually a joke in the USSR about the difference between communism and capitalism. The way I heard it was “under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism it’s the other way around”. The point is that while communism is promoted as a cure for capitalist injustice, people are still being exploited.
Building subsidized housing is a real PITA (currently) to get the funding together and then have jurisdictions tell you to fuck-off because they dont want to attract more of “those kind of people”. Infrastructure in the hood especially is crumbling because those improvements typically rely on local property taxes (which poor communities raise little revenue from).
The current programs are likely in need of reform. A hard analysis of which programs work, which don’t, where and when they are failing, and where the changes need to be made needs to occur. New programs aimed at helping, starting at the point where the old programs fail should be implemented, etc. I’m sure there are plenty of great ideas out there that have not been implemented because of lack of funding… now is the time to hear those ideas out.
I have been thinking about these issues. I am not sure subsidized housing developments are a good idea, as it concentrates low income people together (and perpetuates low income activity), and is generally hated by the current residents of the area. What if we just let the price of housing be market driven, and then people will disperse to where they can afford. I am not opposed to giving out housing credits to low income people to allow them to afford shelter. Basically, I think a credit system would work better than the low income developments.