We as a society have have generally agreed upon standards for all sorts of subjective things. What is considered smart, nice, pretty, white, etc. Again, you are arguing the outer limits, the 50/50 areas, the exceptions while ignoring the vast majority of instances.
Yes. And privilege gets extended more often to white folks.
Are you by chance one of those people who doesn’t believe in theories because “they haven’t been proven”? Speaking for at least one person in science, we do not get the same result every time. Thats why we take large samples, have factors of safety, and repeat experiments multiple times. Too many variables to control… so we extrapolate behavior based upon large sample sizes… “in general”.
Which you have no knowledge of. You are assuming this is the case. I didn’t go to medical school; will I get hired as a surgeon over a black man who has the training, education and a medical license, just because I’m white?
This has been done with regard to white privilege?
And again, does one have white privilege or does one get given white privilege?
Well seeing as none have made headlines for being charged I would assume not. The vandalism at the memorial for victims of communism didn’t even make it into the mainstream news. The message is that all leftist/communist causes are approved, and anything opposing them can land you in jail.
I think common sense would say i have a better understanding of the vast majority of instances than of the vast minority. Same with you.
Are things equal between you and the black doctor (other than skin color)? Nope. Regardless, even if things were equal, that would be but a single instance in a lifetime of instances to examine to see if biases occured… and i would argue that in the vast majority of instances in life no bias occurs.
Yes. Studies and experiments designed to test for implicit biases in the arenas i mentioned earlier have been done, analyzed and reported on.
I think by its very definition, privilege is given, not earned.
So your argument is that the media would have reported on leftist vandals being charged if they were charged (which would make them look bad). But the next sentence says that the media doesnt report on leftist vandals vandalizing a memorial to victims of communism… because it would make them look bad.
I bet some leftist vandals have been charged. What does the google machine say?
If it is given, then you don’t have it unless it is given, which may never happen. Thus, no one has white privilege. We only have individuals who may make biased decisions. We already have words for that, like bigotry, racism or discrimination. We don’t need to invent a term that describes something that does not exist. What it does is blame not only the person who discriminates but the person who unknowingly benefits from it. White skin becomes a permanent symbol of racism that one can never escape from. All successes are the result of skin color, as are all failures.
If a woman gets a job over another woman because she has bigger breasts, and it isn’t porn or stripping, is that breast privilege or simply a case of the person doing the hiring having a personal bias?
Our society has made desirable and given privilege to white skin, subjectively good looks, athleticism, and numerous other traits that people are born with. If we lived in another kind of society none of that might be important. But this is the society we DO live in, and those traits, currently, inherently come with privileges.
I dont think that skin color as a trait should give a person advantages (but it does in our society). There is no blame, and no required penance for having received white privilege. There is only the need to knowledge the privilege, so we can recognize situations in which it is unfairly given and received and try to limit our implicit biases moving forward so we create a more fair society.
If you are already doing that, great. Try to not let the semantics of cultural progression get you down.
You’ve already said they are extended so they can’t be inherent. If they were inherent you could exercise that privilege whenever you wanted however, you can only be shown that privilege under certain conditions. You can believe you have white privilege but if no one recognizes it, do you really have it?
What if you never benefited from this supposed privilege? Because someone else benefited from being white I have to assume I must have benefited from being white?
It’s cultural regression as it only serves to create divisions. White privilege is a term that seeks to make white people believe that they didn’t earn what they have through their own efforts while telling blacks that their failures are because of racism. If you think acknowledging something that you may not have benefited from is somehow a step forward, you’re wrong; it’s only your first step backward.
You should as words have power and it is a common change management practice (and also used heavily in propoganda) to rebadged something to make it more palatable. And having someone accept a more palatable version of what you actually mean is the first step to getting them on your side.
For example, when someone, a white person in particular, talks about white privilege, I automatically decode it to as referring to their own or others racism because that is what they mean but are not brave enough to say it.
They are inherent in the society we live in. They arent inherent like a law of nature. But in the western society and more specifically the USA’s society, it is inherent. Regardless, you seem awfully caught up in the semantics of it.
If you can honestly look back through your life and not think of a single time where you recieved preferential treatment compared to someone of color then you likely didnt benefit very much if at all. In which case, you would be an exception. Is that good enough for you?
It makes white people understand that not everything they have achieved was done so on a level playing field.
You are hung up on your specific experience instead of looking at the broader picture and the larger data set. You seem jealous that racial inequality is getting the attention, instead of socioeconmic inequality (which is what you overcame). Why are you getting so damn defensive and angry about this?
When i say that part of my white privilege is my families generational wealth that was passed through the family since the 1800s… i mean to say that the black families who were here longer than my family didnt have that same opportunity to accumulate generational wealth.
I think it is perfectly fine to admit that i benefited from racist policies of the past, and biases of today. But that is not the only reason i am successful.
Why should the term white privilege get me down? I honestly don’t get it.
Can a black person not look back and find times he received preferential treatment because of his color? Does black privilege exist? Oh, and some of that black privilege is systemic.
To what end?
Because I look at people as individuals and not as labels.
Don’t try and push buttons that don’t exist with passive aggressive posts. It’s childish.
Which at this point in time in America is more of an obstacle than race.
More passive aggression.
Unlike the founders of BLM, I have lived in the ghetto. I worked with kids in the ghetto. I have friends who were murdered in the ghetto. Of course I would be disgusted with a Marxist movement that uses the suffering of people to advance its political agenda. The same goes for Colin Kaepernick and his money grab.
Tell me how critical race theory will raise literacy rates or stop the murders in the ghetto. People who exist far from the problems think they have the answers, meanwhile, children are getting killed everyday. The question I would ask is, why aren’t you angry? I’m sorry, you acknowledged your privilege, mission accomplished.
Yeah, maybe I didn’t phrase that well. Nobody was charged in that incident, but the fact that it wasn’t even reported at all in the regular news gives the impression that the media is communist-friendly. Meanwhile, there were a whole bunch of headlines over here about someone drawing a swastika on a street in Ottawa.
After searching on google, it turns out there were a few people charged here an there for vandalizing statues. Maybe the news I typically get over here is more left biased? I would have expected to hear more about it.
I really believe that many white progressive liberals want to keep many blacks poor. Rather than do the things that would help them to help themselves, they want to maintain a perpetual state of victim hood with a perpetual enemy. An enemy they claim they will defeat if black people vote for them. But somehow, in spite of running these violent cities for decades, they don’t defeat the enemy. He always shows up every election.