Me neither, but it would increase the odds. In some places like Sparta you might not have had much of a choice.
Yes, I am a time traveler from ancient Greece.
Something like that not being accepted would discourage people from trying it, and vice versa if it becomes mainstream. Obviously you aren’t straight if you (as a man) are hooking up with guys, but less people would go down that path if it wasn’t seen as an acceptable option.
There are some big tough guys serving long prison sentences that rape men, still doesn’t make it cool.
Not all gays are effeminate, but a lot of them are. The gay thing is just one part of it, all this stuff against “toxic masculinity” has to do with making men effeminate.
They had some strange ideas in Rome and Greece. Pedophilia was normal too.
I doubt AAS use, and we’ve talked lifting enough to where I’d probably know if that was the case. The enjoyment of dick and wearing women’s clothes apparently goes back to pre-adolescence.
In hindsight, it is almost a textbook case of over-compensating with an array of hyper-masculine behaviors. This is a person who was stronger, could run faster, jump higher, be good at every sport he tried AND whoop your ass easily. An elite athlete by any measure, with a big old lumberjack beard to boot.
I wasn’t questioning the gay part but the trans one.
I knew a gay dude from my old gym who was big into bodybuilding, abusing AAS (I remember when he stared at me blankly when I tried to explain him the concept of cycling) and all sorts of controlled substances - apparently he was extremely popular on the gay party circuit. When he ended up in the hospital due to abuse of the aforementioned substances and stopped taking AAS, a month or two later he came out as trans.
No way for me to know for sure. It was maybe a month or two in between “coming outs”, IIRC. First gay, then trans. He was strong, very strong even, but nothing I’d put in the realm of requiring AAS to achieve.
The fact that he’s still jacked and strong-as-shit after a few years of not lifting and deliberately losing 20+ lbs tells me he was natty. So do his words, which I have no reason to doubt.
My lifting partner didn’t admit to me that he was using for over a year, and we were super-consistent 4 days per week long-term lifting partners. He knew I wasn’t and assumed I’d judge him for using. He was kind of right, but only because he was using like a total dumbass.
Coming off his testosterone blast did not go well for him at all.
Was that the same person who came out as gay then trans though?
I guess I wasn’t saying telling others of gear use is necessarily something everyone will do, but that if they are coming out as trans, I would say why not mention the gear.
I am on TRT, and mention it to anyone I train with more than just a spot or something. I don’t think I would have to, but I do think it is more honest. I have run one small blast that I normally mention too.
Sorry for being unclear. I was talking about two different people. I was just saying that I have no expectation of anyone admitting gear use to me because my lifting partner and I knew each other very well and he still didn’t share that with me for a really long time.
I suppose it all boils down to what people are comfortable talking to others about, for whatever reasons they have. To bring this back to the thread topic, it is this simple notion that will be the only way our society can move ahead.
We need to be able to have serious, adult conversations again where we don’t automatically assume the other person has bad motivations. There’s no reason a conservative can’t get choked out by a tranny and then talk about the downside to Canada’s bill C-16 at the bar the next day, with both of us secretly hoping someone starts a fight. Government policy can’t be meaningfully debated in tweets, memes or sound-byte length clips of video. You at least need some beers and a few hours, or some other mechanism to exchange ideas effectively and in good faith.
People understand this, and it is why an increasing number of people are consuming long-format discussion media like podcasts. It also explains the mainstream media’s behavior of late, where the incessant drive for clicks, views and engagement has long since superseded the importance of journalistic integrity, let alone any basic sense of duty to society.
Man, a couple days ago I tried to find a clip from an old Sealab2021 episode to send to a friend. I ended up googling “sealab hydraulic penis”. The results were hilarious and not at all what I wanted.
Looks like the CHOP in Seattle has pretty much been voluntarily abandoned/dispersed after talks with the Mayor, and there are only a few holdouts remaining who will likely go home in the next few days. Seems like about as good of a resolution to the whole thing as could be hoped for.
I’m not going to touch this topic with a 10 foot pole lol. I will say there is some evident that women’s sexual identity seems to be more…“fluid”… for lack of a better term…than men. Not only as a population but also within a timeline as an individual. This might suggest there is a component of choice in some people (please notice I said “component” and “some”, not all).
I do personally know a gay man that is married hetero, with kids, and happy. I know him well enough to say it’s not because he’s in the closet or unhappy (also he’s definitely out of the closet). It’s weird to say the least. I won’t get more into that out of respect for him, but yeah.
I know you’re married and all but…more women for me!
You should have known better than that! Shit son…
On another note, I think the 90s were about the time it started to become cool to be a nerd. It didn’t really happen until the 2000s, but I think that idea was starting.
I’d generally agree. I wasn’t exactly slaying it with the ladies at the peak of my competitive spelling career, but I did well later on. It seemed like EVERYTHING was becoming accepted then. None of it was a big deal at all, really. Slacker vibes were a thing, where it wasn’t cool to be overly concerned with stuff in general, let alone something like skin color.
Grunge rock in general was all about glorifying the nerd, the awkward, the outcast and the people who felt like the music and the scene gave them the cultural voice that wasn’t really there before. You could also score weed from these people.
I thought it was about stealing the punk/post punk sound of Dinosaur Jr., Husker Du, Black Flag, Minutemen, Sonic Youth, Big Black, Volcano Suns, Squirrel Bait, The Replacements, etc.
A shooting/stabbing isnt out of the ordinary for that area. Or any area like it in any major city for that matter.
Word on the street is that the ideological leaders of the CHOP were feeling like their protest was hijacked and had run its course, so they were receptive to talking about abandoning/dispersing the occupied protest area.
I would say a big difference is that those other bands were ahead of their time (i.e., made no money) while grunge bands were less adventurous and less challenging which made them more accessible and radio friendly (and they made a lot of money). Husker Du albums like New Day Rising, Flip Your Wig and Zen Arcade are as good, if not better, than anything Nirvana put out (and there would be no Nirvana without Husker Du) yet, they only got played on college radio stations.
But, having no cops around sure makes planning and committing a crime a lot easier. And, the victim who survived is apparently planning on suing the city.
That’s another way to say they were bored and it wasn’t fun anymore. Also, residents were on the verge of forcibly kicking them out and there was nothing they could do about it.
The fantasy turned into reality, and play became work. The novelty wore off for a lot of folks. So it seems like they are going home.
Compared to what would have happened had police escalated force and confrontation with the protestors on the night of June 8th, seems like an objectively better outcome to me.
