White people have been victims of police brutality.
Black cops have committed police brutality against blacks and whites.
Not every wrong act by a cop is racist and most people the cops interact with, black or white, are not beaten or killed.
Its gotten to the point that Churchill is a racist. Well maybe he was to some degree, so what, acceptable values were different then. He was also the most public face against real, genuine fascism, but mark my words he will be called a fascist and a Nazi soon enough.
Even Gandhi was a racist, who really cares. He did more good for the people of his country than anyone else has before or since. He also set a fine example of non violent protest that is still admired today by sane people all over the world.
So it appears even the best of us are not perfect. Even more so, the people criticising these imperfect individuals have done nothing of merit in their lives, and just push destruction and anarchy. They are the fascists and racists of today, despite them deflecting and accusing everyone else around them that doesnāt agree with them, of fascism and anarchy.
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Who is pushing for it? BLM? They donāt live in those communities. The white people holding up signs saying defund the cops? They donāt live there.
The thousands of people who called 911 in Chicago last weekend certainly didnāt say get rid of the cops.
All of these elitist ideas come from middle class, college educated suburbanites and hipsters.
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thats not a very good point. Not everyone in the south in the 1950s was racist, does that mean there wasnt a systematic issue there?
Im just trying to figure out where we disagree, because our goal is obviously the same. Do you think the current āsystemā is geared towards white folks at all, a little, a lot?
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MLK visited India because of Gandhi. I donāt think these anti fascists would like what MLK wrote about his trip. He wouldnāt be woke enough for them.
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Well it looks like Minneapolis may require a voter approved initiative to disband/defund the police. I guess we will find out.
You probably shouldnt be speaking for that community you arent a part of eitherā¦ you know, racist white folks wanting to deny black folks agency and allā¦
The system is not racist as much as it is geared to make it hard for the poor to move up. By poor I donāt simply mean lack of money but a way of thinking. Poor people tend to not think long term and success takes time. It just so happens many blacks are poor. MLK even recognized the role of poverty in keeping people down.
The vestiges of racism are what we see. We can blame slavery but at the same time, it no longer exists so fixing slavery would require a time machine. People want to blame systemic racism when itās the effects of racism that we see and not the racism itself. The racist policies that created the inner cities no longer exist but their effects remain.
So it isnāt about fixing a system since the system has changed. Itās about changing how people think and the culture of the inner city. The truth is that inner city residents are their own worst enemy.
Why is it the suburbs have less crime but donāt defund or disband the police? Is it because the cops are different or are the residents different?
There is the often repeated story (which I find dubious) of the black mother telling her son how to behave around the police. Itās seen as a sign of how the police behave towards black males. Think about it. Itās not that at all. What it says is that black parents are afraid of how their children will behave with the cops. When they say white parents donāt tell their sons the same thing (also dubious) itās an admission that white kids know how to behave (respect, calm, common sense). Who is to blame or credit for these bad and good behaviors? The parents. Inner city parents do such a poor job raising kids who have self control that they need to tell them specifically how to behave with the police rather than take for granted their kids wonāt do something foolish.
Revolution starts in the mirror but no one has the courage to tell inner city residents to look at themselves first. And none of these activists believe inner city residents are capable of standing on their own. They wonāt even let them speak for themselves. The last thing they want is self sufficiency and independent thinking. Theyāre probably afraid theyāll end up voting Republican.
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Iām not. Iām speaking against those that are.
The state or county will step in. The people have a right to be protected and the state has the obligation to protect its residents.
There is also the issue of state funds. The state can deny police funding if there are no police. The city canāt just take state money given for one thing and spend it as it wishes. But these idiots donāt understand economics and law.
Time is short, but i generally agree (minus the part about black kids and cops, from my own experiences, and from my trusted friend).
The cycle of poverty is vicious. It rears its head financially, and socially. the issue is that (correct me if i am wrong) the black community is over represented in poverty statistics, due in large part to the vestiges of racist policies and the vicious cycle of poverty that is very hard to break. The systematic racism comes in because society as a whole judges the poor in a negative light (no matter the skin color), and if you play the odds (like everyone subconsciously does) you judge more black people to be poor than you would white folks and thus more likely treat them differently. Same thing with judging poor WT in a negative light, except they have a much easier time hiding their poverty and being judged āfit and trustworthyā because percentage-wise they are less likely to be someone from the cycle of poverty on skin color alone.
So i agree it does come down to socioeconomics, and the cycle of poverty, poor family dynamics, drug abuse, etc that affects white folks AND black folks and is damn hard to break out of. Its just that a higher percentage of black folks are affected by it than white folks and so that negative generalization is applied to black folks more often than it is to white folks. that means less breaks are available for black folks to take advantage of.
Hopefully you understand the point im trying to explain (whether you agree or not).
Yeeesss, bring me the boogaloo. I need an excuse to crack out the tire armour.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Ellison said himself that he doesnāt yet know what a āpolice-free futureā would look like, they donāt have any sort of concrete plan and from the sounds of things there are more than a few people pushing to actually abolish police rather than redistribute resources. Itās just delusional fantasies and nothing more.
This is why poor immigrants from places where they would never break that cycle came here and were able to eventually succeed. Dr. Fauciās family came from southern Italy. Had they stayed, they might not have had a descendent achieve what he achieved, when he achieved it. Unfortunately, blacks are stuck in the very place that limited their ability to succeed.
My issue is that when you see almost 500 murders in Chicago last year, and even more people wounded by gunfire, it isnāt the cops who are to blame. It isnāt the system thatās to blame. Itās not racists who are to blame. When you have that many sociopaths running around it tells you there is something rotten in the culture, in how people think and behave, and in their value system. People are not murdered because of racism but because of greed, revenge or just for fun.
We can blame racism for creating that dysfunctional environment and way of life but if you want to fix it you need to start with what you see, not the specters of racist policies.
If you look at successful immigrant groups, they were targeted by the police and discriminated against. Some were even lynched. Did they change the system? No, they focused on becoming part of the system. MLK didnāt want to change the system; he wanted equal access to it.
Iām not saying the system is perfect btw. It can always be tweaked and our government is designed to adapt and change. But these protesters and BLM want to create a new system and judging by their beliefs and behavior, it wonāt be an improvement. They want to replace a nonexistent fascism with their actual fascism. If someone says something as benign as all lives matter they are crucified because it isnāt the party line. You even have white people calling out black people for basically not being black enough. Terry Crews says we all have to work together and he becomes a target for the cancel culture mob. How anyone could think these poorly educated idiots, and they are poorly educated idiots, would have any solutions is insane.
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People donāt resist police because of police brutality; people resist police because they donāt want to be arrested or deal with whatever legal consequences await.
Same behavior, same cause for action(probable cause or suspect description), same apparent physical prowess?
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+1 for a great 80s hair reference. Damn I havenāt heard this song in ages. And I will defy anyone who plays the electric guitar to find a better backdrop than a huge stack of Marshall amps.
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Both nearly the same size, both the same drunk but sharp still. Just cops breaking up our college house party and we were the residents so we had to talk to them. It was a known party house on college hill and we had cops there before. ā¦ Just to shut the party down and make everyone go home. No biggie. they apparently just didnāt like the way he looked or just trusted me enough to not cuff me aggressivly.
We were treated very differently. For no apparent reason.
Iāve been talked to by the cops while out with him, but he was patted down with the other cops hand on his holster. No apparent reason. We both wearing jackets. He has shared a few other stories with me, especially sad was the one he remembers as one of his first memories: his mom getting manhandled by a target security guard and him getting jerked out of the stroller b/c they thought she was shoplifting.
Itās messed up, but from what he has shared he has received the benefit of the doubt far less than i have throughout his life. Itās not just restricted to white folks, and itās not just restricted to cops.
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This is a bold-faced lie. Kneeling on a suspectās neck is not standard procedure. You know that, of course.
Who said the police knew he had no pulse? The police. In that video. That you apparently didnāt watch. Where one of them remarked that he couldnāt find a pulse and they didnāt start CPR.
Defunding or dissolving the police department is dumb and will lead to disaster. But as Iāve said before, the people who are willing to lie, openly, to explain away the actions of the very, very few policemen (~600K policemen in the States, and weāre talking about the actions of a handful, not necessarily all of whom are even guilty) who make punishable mistakes, cause so much more harm to the police than any one protester could - the image of operating under impunity feeds into peopleās anger.
Not kneel on someoneās carotid for 8 and a half minutes total, 2 minutes and change after a complete loss of consciousness, and even after not finding a pulse.
But this -
This is rich, creamy, eat-it-up bullshit, especially coming as an appetizer to this feast of a post. Letās not lie about George Floyd and act like he was some upstanding citizen, but letās just try to not lie in general, right?
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I watched a documentary on the black panthers the other night. It sure would have been interesting to see what the black community would have been like had the govt not done everything it could to subvert and destroy them. They were serious hardasses, but they were hardasses to their own communities too and didnāt suffer people harming the community like is all too prevalent in the inner cities today. It also coulda turned out terribly too.
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First it was the statue of the slaver dude/philanthropist, then Gandhi, and Churchill, in Britain.
Enough is enough, Arnoldās statue in Ohio has been graffitied:(
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Those Bastards!!
Im afraid Iām going to have to disagree. They may have been active forces in the community but they were also a hard left, socialist group that ambushed cops.
Iāll agree that Hoover did a lot of unwarranted damage to the party (in terms of framing them for things they probably werenāt doing). But I donāt think their hard line leftism was helpful
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