George Floyd Riots

I have to agree with you that there are far more law abiding black people than there are criminals, I’ve never said otherwise. In fact if you carefully read my earlier posts you will see that I have already pointed that out. I’m not in any way referring to those people negatively at all. If you chose to believe otherwise that’s on you, not me.

I will reply or post whatever the fuck I want regardless of the viewpoint you have, or whether you agree or disagree. Unlike you I believe in freedom of speech, not freedom of speech only if I agree with you.

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Yep. And that helps explain much of the disparity in use of force numbers, traffic stops vs. searches vs. searches that bear fruit, etc., against various groups.

Our department has a massive call volume and are dangerously understaffed.

Police are frequently called into areas heavily populated by…black folks. Who often makes those calls? Black folks. Actions are taken by Police in response to requests by black folks, and Police are then deemed racist…because that makes sense to…I don’t know whom.

Exactly. Our murder victims every year are @ 95% black males… But racism or something

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REALLY well said; and that we see this throughout the thread reflects the privileged perspective of the average forum poster here.

I’ve also been careful to stick to the IN CUSTODY aspect here re: the murders that are driving these (overwhelmingly peaceful) protests. But let’s be honest: this is also about the UNARMED victims of wannabe-cops like Trayvon Martin’s and Ahmaud Arbury’s murdererers… and the similar perceived lack of justice/accountability that ensues.

Now with this latter group, OF COURSE police aren’t answerable for the acts of random vigilantes… but let’s acknowledge that this is also a large contributor in understanding the motivations of this current movement + momentum.

Here’s a rather sobering article from Politico that relates to that topic. There is a growing army of LEOs that are poorly overseen, and with vastly different training standards.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/05/protests-washington-dc-federal-agents-law-enforcement-302551

Unarmed people killed 660 people in 2017. More than all rifle types COMBINED.

Unarmed doesn’t mean completely exempt from deadly force.

Also, not a single credible study has concluded there’s racial bias in police shootings.

I’ve yet to hear anybody call on citizens to act rationally when stopped by or dealing with police. Just fucking crickets…

Seriously… Are black citizens just completely exempt from any and all of their own actions ?

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We can never train enough. Unfortunately it costs money and there never seems to be any. So you’ll see the results.

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Again, fully agreed that the vast majority of police/people are not racists.

But in understanding this current movement, one must realize that even one ‘high-profile’ case is enough to set it off (and force the status quo to change); or in other words, those statistics become largely meaningless.

Seriously… No one has said that ever.

Just as an aside, I’d like to give some experience from growing up in Northern Ireland where we were, essentially, a lawless state for 25 years.

The RUC, the previous police force, were a provably bigoted force (off duty officers would baton charge Catholic marches, such as happened at Burntollet.

The peaceful marches combined with the global outrage forced the government to compromise, but then a combination of forces rejected the compromise.

What followed was 20 years of a brutal civil war. Daily bombings, cops and soldiers ambushed and murdered, reprisal murders by the cops and loyalist paramilitaries etc.

This culminated in extrajudicial internment without trial, I know several people who were interned due to something like having a fairly Irish last name etc.

The result of all that? The Sunningdale agreement, which was the same compromise the country rejected, except now with the addition of several thousand dead (many of which we have never found the remains of).

My father was searched and scrutinised at every airport for a decade because he was Northern Irish (especially when he was doing civil engineering work on army bases in Gibraltar).

So what did all the bloodshed net us? A few thousand dead, roving rival bands of brutal terrorists (many of whom are still in power and still ruling their corner of the country with an iron fist), and the same deal we had in the first place.

De-rail over, I just see a lot of the same malice and rage in the US that I saw at home for many years. I rather hope you avoid it, lads, I really do.

Edit: NI Catholics could (and often do) have a chip on their shoulder. But that chip never made anything an ounce better, and it never will either.

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It doesn’t have to be said, necessarily. It’s implied explicitly considering a lot of these anti police loons will never admit most police shootings are deemed justified by well versed experts. Look at some of their martyrs. They’re still clinging to the “hands up don’t shoot” bullshit…

Also, you must take into account the light speed jump to the race card nearly every single time a black suspect is killed or shot by police, circumstances be damned. I think their actions say it all.

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It involves a lot more than that, maybe 83 is the number that have actually been deported. I know people whose family members are affected by this. A lot of the people affected never left the UK but were still told to leave the country and denied services such as healthcare.

In other words they were being penalized for the UK government’s errors.

Some, while others who lived there for decades and later went back to the Caribbean are refused entry and denied their citizenship.

I’m not really trying to argue about this since it has nothing to do with this thread, I was just trying to show you that many black people in the UK are also descendants of slaves (in British colonies) and that there are other reasons they might not be happy with the government there.

That is my observation as well.

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What do you guys think of this? 75 year old white man calmly approaches a group of cops in riot gear and tries to speak with them, they shove him to the ground and he is left with severe head injuries. The two cops that pushed him are suspended, and now 57 other cops have resigned in solidarity with the two assholes.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/57-buffalo-officers-resign-from-emergency-response-team-after-two-cops-suspended/ar-BB156wTp?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

Here’s the video:

Just imagine he was black.

This is what I was saying, that while racism might account for some incidents it mostly comes down to some cops being ignorant, aggressive assholes. The fact that 57 of their co-workers are standing behind them really says something too.

@marine77 - you’re a cop and seem like a reasonable guy, what are your thoughts on this one?

If cops didn’t shoot anyone, whether justified or not, for a whole year, how would inner city life change? Would test scores go up in schools? Would people stop depending on welfare? Would drug dealers get legitimate jobs or go to college? Would gangs break up? Would prostitution, often by teens, end? Would black on black murders significantly decline? Would all of the drug addicts get clean? Would the numbers of children born out of wedlock go down? Would people stop throwing their trash in the street? Would mothers stop letting their 8 year old children play in the streets after midnight?

Focusing on the police is a convenient way to avoid addressing all of those issues.

And it’s why nothing will change.

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Dumb asses. Gotta have the ability to discern who’s a threat and who’s not. That said… Everyone is on a very extreme edge and at a very heightened alert. I feel for the fella.

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It didn’t look like they shoved him to the ground. He was pushed, and it didn’t look like it was very hard (that cop wasn’t Thor), but he was old so it didn’t take much for him to fall. They were wrong of course because he wasn’t armed and it’s not like there weren’t a lot of cops backing the two cops. It probably didn’t help that he was taller than the cops as it may have made him appear more physically imposing than he was.

You can phrase it how you want, it’s still not good. I’m sure they didn’t expect him to smash his head and bleed from his ears, but that’s why you need to be careful when dealing with senior citizens.

If it was a younger person and no injury occurred then we would never hear about it, but even then the cops shouldn’t be pushing people around for no reason. Anyone else would get charged with assault. I’m not anti-police, I just don’t like a lot of the things I see some cops doing.

Also the cops tried to lie and say he “tripped during a skirmish with police”, only after the video came out did they change their story. How can you justify lying about something like this? Things like that happen all too often.

This is an outstanding post, and I think studying the Troubles is vitally important for trying to understand and avoid similar crises. So many hot emotions for so long

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Yeah. There’ll be some token changes to police protocol but hard to envision much else.