Precisely. I don’t think pay keeps people from being pieces of shit. Train the fuck out of cops though and have continuing training on these type of situations. Tell me you’re already doing it? Good how can we improve those aspects then. I’m constantly forced to find and evaluate our trainings and search for the best innovative ways. Why? Because in my job lives are at stake.
Chris Rock puts it pretty well here. Most cops are good no doubt. But it’s not really a job where we can say most and feel satisfied.
Whether my posts are belittling or not is up to you. I try to be straight forward with my words and the questions I ask. If that makes you feel belittled, perhaps you should take steps to ensure you only converse with people you don’t find belittling.
I’l also remind you that you called it “obvious” that I’m not interested in peaceful solutions. I’m not sure if you intended insult with that or not, but I feel perfectly justified in defending my character when attacked. I have experience in dealing with violent people and I’m very proud to have never put anyone in the hospital. Nor have I acted in a way that I’d be ashamed to show my mother on the many videos taken of me being violent.
I’m all ears for any and all suggestions about how the situations we’ve all seen on video can be resolved peacefully. How can it be achieved?
These protests are not about George Floyd and racism and probably weren’t from the beginning. They are about white people taking over and placing their “victim-hood” and grievances front and center. I see a bunch of white boys who look like they are pissed at cops because they were told to stop riding their skateboards on the sidewalk.
If you look at these “protesters’” faces, they aren’t angry, they are having fun.
Why? Seems like there would be more potential for change if this issue was dealt with as police brutality and abuse of power rather than a black vs. white issue.
Of course right now it would be better if the protests all stopped because it’s degraded into rioting, looting, and extremists bulllshit on both sides.
Those people are definitely a problem, but even at the beginning in Minneapolis before things went totally crazy there were people of all races protesting. It’s more like antifa is a big problem and should cease to exist, and their involvement in this situation has made the protests/riots as useless as possible for anything to do with either police brutality or racism.
Because they are destroying communities where they don’t even live. Also, they are protesting fascism, i.e., something that exists in their imagination.
Yeah. White people who benefited from the system and for whom the system exists. If I were black and saw white people protesting I would tell them they are just as much to blame.
Well, destroying the community where you live isn’t really a great idea either. The protests have obviously gotten out of hand and should never heave become what they are now, and surely antifa plays a role in that.
I completely disagree. The average white person is not responsible for any racial issue in America, and if white people want to support black people against racism and police brutality (which a I have been saying over and over is not exclusively a problem for black people) then why should black people oppose that? Should black people have told white abolitionists to mind their own business?
Thinking like that only leads to more racism and polarization. Imagine you as a white person go to a protest and black people tell you that you aren’t welcome and all this is your fault too. That kind of shit will just push more people towards white supremacism and the far right.
After an hour of typing I was only on #4 so I gave up. I disagree with #'s 1, 2, 4 ( the way he described it), 7, 8, 11, & 14. Be happy to answer any specific questions.
If you grew up in a white suburb because of the white flight of your parents or grandparents or because of redlining then you benefited from something that hurt blacks.
It’s like white people crying about Columbus and wanting to get rid of his statues and Columbus Day; what’s the point? To make yourself feel good? To feel like you fought the good fight? I’m sorry white people but you are Columbus. Calling a man who has been dead for centuries the devil while you live on the very land that was once occupied by Indians is hypocritical. Posting about slave labor, socialism, economic inequality, the wealth gap, etc., on your iPhone while drinking a coffee from Starbucks is being a phony.
If people really had an issue with cheap labor (and the environment) they could stop buying those products unless the companies paid people better. They could say, “I’m not buying a 5 dollar coffee from a company that pays pennies per pound for beans unless the people who pick the beans get paid more.”
Look, I’m not blaming some white kid from the suburbs for benefiting from certain injustices as he didn’t cause them to happen but, he is a reason why they happened. He is why his community is safe. It’s why he doesn’t fear the cops. It’s why there isn’t a crackhouse on his street.
If these white people wanted to do something, rather than pick up a brick or Molotov cocktail, they could go into those communities and give back. But they don’t because that would resemble work and destroying things because somehow you convinced yourself you are also a victim is a lot more fun. Especially when it’s in someone else’s community.
The 20 year old kid that was filmed destroying a police car in Pittsburgh (and who is from a suburb) that was posted earlier on here was filmed going to the police station with his parents to turn himself in. It was a very white, very suburban image. If that family wants to do something that would be seen as justice they would reimburse the city for the cost of a new vehicle since these cities will replace police cars that were wrecked, and that will be from money that could have gone to schools. But his suburb will be fine. That’s what I mean about responsibility for how things are. His town is peaceful while the city burns. If it were up to me, every protester who came from out of town would be doing forced labor to repay for all of the damage they have done.
I’d be curious for all the ones you disagree with, even if you only have a short sentence-long explanation. I’d also like to know the ones you think are great ideas we need to implement ASAP (it should be easy to implement the stuff both sides agree on, right? Lol).
But, time is short I’ll ask about #2, and #4…
Malpractice insurance paid for by the department seems good in theory. Do you think it would be abused?
Why don’t you like “community policing”… Basically incentivizing cops to live in the neighborhood/city they patrol? Is it an off-dutt safety thing for you? Where I am we have a “problem” of most cops living out in MAGA countryside, but policing in liberalville inner-city.
It wouldn’t be forcing anyone to live there. But if you live there you get an extra $10k or $15k or whatever. And from my limited experience living in and around the hood, there are typically acceptably nice streets/buildings in and around even the really bad cities and neighborhoods for a childless cop/couple… good point about the schools though.
The threshold isn’t very high over here in my experience. Not to say we don’t have some tough ass kickers. But we have a lot of people who would have a tough time walking around the block as well.
I disagree. The narrative is important for political points and news media clicks/views yes. However it is very important to realize that a lot of, if not most of, the SCOTUS rulings that gave us civil rights and due process protections were the result of scumbags being dealt with.
Very few people in a Constitutional case on criminal proceedings are “nice” people. Miranda Rights, for example, are one of the most important cornerstone principles of the last 50 years in the criminal justice system. But the case that lead to the ruling that gave us Mirandizing of suspects was centered on a scumbag who was arrested and tried for kidnapping, robbery and rape of a mentally handicapped woman. He was retried with new evidence and convicted.
It is vitally important that we can maintain a separation between the nice/naughty level of the suspect and the societal or Constitutional issues that arise out of cases like this. I would maintain very strongly that this also should be the case for institutional issues such as police violence and crime.
With privilege come the ability to consider these killings/deaths within broader perspectives such as this.
Notice how you’ve completely neglected to mention the UNARMED aspect in your “summary” of the stats, even though this is a kind of a key pillar of what’s currently boiling over in the hearts & minds of many.
If someone could point to a set of laws, rulings or protections that are needed, I’d be all ears about this. This is precisely my criticism of the movement and larger narrative. There is no clearly defined goal or set of events that will satisfy the rioters.
It is inevitable that another black man will be killed by a white cop in questionable circumstances. The only way that will cease to happen is if black men commit no more crimes and white police officers somehow become perfect people with perfect judgment in violent and stressful situations.
Neither are likely, so what will the response be to the next unfortunate confrontation between a Michael Brown and an Officer Wilson?
This is where you lose me. I agree there are institutional problems to solve that can broadly be called “good old boys networks” or just “cops looking after cops”. The problem is, you can’t fix that with laws or courts. There’s no more black codes on the books to legislate out of existence. All that’s left for government to do is crack down on police forces and police officers.
Government has never been able to control the behavior of individuals, and I can positively guarantee you that sooner or later, another event will happen. Maybe it will involve police abuse, maybe not. It won’t matter, so long as it fits a black/white narrative. Ferguson already demonstrated that.
How many rounds of riots should we expect to endure?
How will we staff our police forces with qualified people when qualified people no longer want to be police officers? This is already a problem, and I don’t expect an influx of applicants in response to these riots.
